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[Some Geth]

I would say you are like Gon(HxH main character) but he is kind of a special case of "shonen main character".

[Some Geth]

It is a giant deconstruction of shonen adventure/battle manga/anime, so yeah it's great.

It starts slow(with good reason) but it picks up fast. Also it is a very "grey" story, not a "black and white" one, "bad guys" don't act evil and sometimes good guys come off as villains.

I say Hunter x Hunter is the most high-class series to come out of Shonen Jump.

Modifié par Some Geth, 14 octobre 2012 - 08:01 .

[Some Geth]

Logan Cloud wrote...

Well like, what is it? I always get the game Monster Hunter in my mind whenever you mention it. I honestly don't know anything about it.

Thanks to the magic of copy and paste, I used Wki and Tv Tropes(I feel dirty now...).

Hunters are licensed, elite members of humanity who are capable of tracking down secret treasures, rare beasts, or even other individuals. And Hunters truly are elite: among other benefits, they get access to world-class amenities and exotic locales that are off-limits to ordinary people. Of course, the life of a Hunter is also dangerous, for Hunters make their living taking on some of the most dangerous missions on Earth.

Twelve years prior to the start of the story, Ging Freecss left his infant son, Gon, with Gon's aunt, Mito, on Whale Island. Gon, who was told all his life that both his parents were dead, finds out from Ging's apprentice, Kite, that his old man is still alive and has since become an accomplished Hunter. Gon leaves his home to become a Hunter like his father by taking the Hunter Examination, a series of brutal tests involving skill, survival, and teamwork.

Just becoming a Hunter is an adventure in itself. During the incredibly difficult and incredibly dangerous "Hunter Exam", Gon faces peril both natural and man-made. He also acquires a circle of friends, such as Leorio, a Jerk with a Heart of Gold who wants to become fabulously wealthy: so he can become a doctor and open a free clinic; Kurapika, last of the Kuruta tribe: which was hunted into near-extinction by those who sought the Kuruta's "crimson eyes", which turn a fetching shade of red when emotionally excited; and Killua Zaoldyeck, who happens to be the middle son of a Dysfunctional Family of notorious assassins.

Modifié par Some Geth, 14 octobre 2012 - 08:12 .

[Some Geth]

Go for the new show if you want the "full story"(lol they cut out Kite and some other stuff from the beginning).

A lot of people don't like the new show since it's more '"childish", but I say that's good that it comes off as childish, what with it being a deconstruction. And lol they are all wrong when they say it's not as "dark" as the old show.

Modifié par Some Geth, 14 octobre 2012 - 08:44 .

[Some Geth]

Oh yeah and it's funny that you think of Monster Hunter, since HxH's creator is a big gamer... Such a big gamer to the point he gets "sick" and goes on hiatus a lot...<_<

But anyway yeah he plays games like Monster Hunter.:innocent:

Modifié par Some Geth, 14 octobre 2012 - 08:58 .

[Some Geth]

RAGING_BULL wrote...

@ Some Geth

What are some stories ( games, anime, shows, movies, ) that does deconstruction well in your opinion?

Have you ever read Watchmen?

Modifié par Some Geth, 14 octobre 2012 - 09:05 .

[Some Geth]

RAGING_BULL wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

RAGING_BULL wrote...

@ Some Geth

What are some stories ( games, anime, shows, movies, ) that does deconstruction well in your opinion?

Have you ever read Watchmen?

No but i saw some of the movie. Enlighten me=]

The movie sucks, Watchmen was made only to be a comic. Here comes a bit more copy and paste magic...

Alan Moore used the story as a means to reflect contemporary anxieties and to critique the superhero concept. Watchmen depicts an alternate history where superheroes emerged in the 1940s and 1960s, helping the United States to win the Vietnam War. The country is edging towards a nuclear war with the Soviet Union, freelance costumed vigilantes have been outlawed and most former superheroes are in retirement or working for the government. The story focuses on the personal development and struggles of the protagonists as an investigation into the murder of a government sponsored superhero pulls them out of retirement, and eventually leads them to confront a plot that would stave off nuclear war by killing millions of people.

Creatively, the focus of Watchmen is on its structure. Gibbons used a nine-panel grid layout throughout the series and added recurring symbols such as a blood-stained smiley face. All but the last issue feature supplemental fictional documents that add to the series' backstory, and the narrative is intertwined with that of another story, a fictional pirate comic titled Tales of the Black Freighter, which one of the characters reads. Structured as a nonlinear narrative, the story skips through space, time and plot. Watchmen has received critical acclaim both in the comics and mainstream press, and is regarded by critics as a seminal text of the comics medium.

And here is Alan Moore's quote on the basis for Watchmen.

"I suppose I was just thinking, 'That'd be a good way to start a comic book: have a famous super-hero found dead.' As the mystery unraveled, we would be led deeper and deeper into the real heart of this super-hero's world, and show a reality that was very different to the general public image of the super-hero."

So yeah, you should go buy the book like now...

Modifié par Some Geth, 14 octobre 2012 - 09:26 .

[eroeru]

Hunter X Hunter isn't deconstruction in my honest opinion (though it kinda is, I wouldn't call it that).

Katanagatari is a deconstruction and a commentary on fighties'.

[Some Geth]

eroeru wrote...

Hunter X Hunter isn't deconstruction in my honest opinion (though it kinda is, I wouldn't call it that).

Katanagatari is a deconstruction and a commentary on fighties'.

Really? So when you were reading the first chapter or watching the first episodes, did you pick up on any similarities to another famous anime series? Boy sets out on a journey to follow in his dad's footsteps and become a "Hunter." 

When you first heard of the series, what did you think the characters would do by "Hunting"? The first chapter doesn't really give off a good indication as to what their world is really like; Togashi purposefully leaves it vague. After reading the first chapter, did you ever wonder what exactly Hunters do? What is this license supposed to provide for them? Why Gon has to be 12 in order to take the exam? Furthermore, he takes it in order to follow in his father's footsteps? Whom also is the "best" Hunter (according to Kite)? The new anime series even has Gon say that he wants to become the world's "best" Hunter too...haha. Does this sound familiar at all?

It's Pokémon. Hunter x Hunter is supposed to be extremely reminiscent of Pokémon in the beginning. The setups are near identical. Boy departs on a quest to become something that, truthfully, the reader doesn't fully understand. Meets some friends along the way, makes a rival. Wants to find his father. All of these things were characteristic of Pokémon.

This is something that might get lost in translation, but the word "Hunter" is always written using Katakana in Japanese. But by no means is it exclusively used to refer to the profession of actual hunting in Japanese; there are many other terms used frequently. Instead of becoming "Pokémon Masters [ポケモンマスター Pokemon Masutaa], the charaters are becoming "Hunters [ハンター Hantaa]. I'm fairly certain that the parallel and similarity between the words is supposed to be there.

There's similarities in the setup, but the first chapter also makes it known that things are going to go horribly wrong. Other than Killua, Gon is the only child taking the Hunter Exam. Becoming a Hunter is an adult profession, unlike a Pokémon "Master." The first arc slowly starts to introduce how deadly and scary their world really is. And then during the fourth phase, the true implications behind hunting start to reveal themselves. Gon literally has to allow several people to die in order to survive, and he's only spared because an enemy shows compassion to him. The show starts to show more and more of its hand and eventually starts taking its character psychologies incredibly seriously. Everyone who becomes a Hunter is literally crazy, in some way. They're extremely flawed. And it's not exactly the noble profession Togashi outlined in the beginning. Togashi takes something childish (even down to the stupid title... "Hunter Hunter"???] and applies a serious worldview to it.

 Most of the other arcs actually try to take a common shonen trope and spin it on its head. For instance, the "Beyond" in the newest chapters and Beyond Netero are obviously channeling One Piece. The Heavens Arena Tournament (Tenkuu Tougijou)? The Tenka'ichi Budoukai.

@Logan So something like One Piece or Hunter x Hunter?

Modifié par Some Geth, 14 octobre 2012 - 11:32 .

[spirosz]

Can anyone recommend any anime films/series, any recent ones that stand out? I'm mostly in the mood for some action, nothing too sad like Elfen Lied (so depressing).

I've seen most of Hayao Miyazaki's work, which are absolutely beautiful, Akira, Cowboy Beebop, Samurai Champloo as well.

I've been looking to see Samurai X, but I don't know if it's a film or an actual series, would it be worth to check out?

[Some Geth]

Well can you tell me what a "weird modern fantasy world" is to you? Because those two come to mind first.

Modifié par Some Geth, 14 octobre 2012 - 10:46 .

[eroeru]

@Geth
Wow. I hadn't thought of that nor looked it up. Thanks! Gave a lot of insight.

@spirosz
You could try Makoto Shinkai's films. The last one was really a homage to Miyazaki-type films, and previous ones hold their own as well. Also, Goro Miyazaki, the son of the more famous Miyazaki did movies that are pretty good and reminiscent.

+ an interesting one with a similar easy-watching feel is The Girl Who Leapt Through Time.

Otherwise, I'd vouch for other classics.

First and foremost, go see Ghost in the Shell (1995 original movie).
Rurouni Kenshin (otherwise known as Samurai X) and Ninja Scrolls fit under classics well. And so does, for example, Cowboy Bebop.

Modifié par eroeru, 14 octobre 2012 - 11:04 .

[Some Geth]

So what you mean is something like a fantasy world, that is "odd" but still makes sense?