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[eroeru]

Yup. Though telling the basics does seem a bit redundant most of the times.

To write a bit more into it - I personally didn't quite enjoy Advent Children, sure it has received praise, but that's mostly because of the neat CGI and actiony stuff. Not much substance if any.

[Some Geth]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Some Geth wrote...
I just don't care for how poorly balanced the sense of realism is.

It will carefully depict things like Okubo Toshimichi and his assassination, then turn around and have wacky X-Men inspired fodder villains the size of houses who spit fire.

I don't think those things really detract from it. I think it handles them very carefully. I mean, not four or five episodes prior you had Sanosuke (Zanza) wielding a zanbato. Which while that's a real weapon, the way it was portrayed was obviously not accurate. The zanbato in the anime is waaay bigger then the ones in our world are.

And yet, it handled that carefully by saying no one prior to Sanosuke could wield it due to its weight and size and by giving it a very limited method-of-use in battle.

Then with Hyottoko, he breathes fire by means of the flint teeth he replaced his real ones with and a bag of oil in his stomach. Yes it's unrealistic, but the show hadn't been a pinnacle of realism prior to that moment.

And I find that it handled it very well to sort of balance how unrealistic it was by having Kenshin spin his sword to create a fan -- since he's in the anime a master of the Hitsen Mitsurugi style and a lightning fast swordsman, it works -- and having Sanosuke protect himself from the fire with his arms and taking the bag of oil out of the equation.

Those may not be realistic either -- I honestly don't know -- but in terms of the characters of Kenshin and Sanosuke it's realistic for them because the former is a master swordsman and sort of for the latter because he is a man who's honed his body to withstand a crapton of things.

I think its story is what matters more, as it focuses on politics, characters, and other themes more then realism. That's what endears it to me. I don't mind the unrealistic elements, because they're either balanced out with realistic ways to defeat the situation or are just awesome that I don't mind.

The problem is not that it is unrealistic, the problem is that it is unrealistic and realistic in a very poor balanced way.

I do like some of the characters and stuff, but there are a lot better Samurai series out there.

@The Mad Hanar Keep watching it, it's a great series.

@The other Hanar It's kind of funny, I don't even think the Mona Lisa is the best thing ever! But I still think if you are into art, you should at least care about it, even a little bit. All of this is just a 'imo' type thing.

@eroeru I knew you would like Hisoka, the dude is an awesome weirdo.

Modifié par Some Geth, 16 octobre 2012 - 05:33 .

[Some Geth]

So yeah this is officially the best thing ever.

[eroeru]

Just finished the "retrieve Killua" arc, or whatever its official name.

It was pretty boring compared to all the previous stuff, but really gotta love the character-designs. The whole place had actually a nice alice-in-wonderland type feel. Too bad the characters were stuck in literally one spot for 3 x 2 episodes or something. I really don't like it when there's a destination, and no progress is made within one or more episodes.

Robomom of Killua was an especially nice chara-design. Probably everyone has seen a mother acting in a similar pattern - it's also an interesting visual presentation of that "motherhood hysterics'" kind of thing.

[eroeru]

What's that?

edit: aah, found out.

Modifié par eroeru, 16 octobre 2012 - 05:54 .

[Some Geth]

Killua's family is f**ked up.

Modifié par Some Geth, 16 octobre 2012 - 06:01 .

[eroeru]

Some Geth wrote...

f**ked up.

This quality is not uncommon within the Hunter X Hunter universe. (one could argue moreso - that it is an intristic quality to this universe itself)

[eroeru]

Everyone has issues.

But as to Rei, well... she's... how do I say this. Different.

You'll know what I mean soon enough.

[bmwcrazy]

RAGING_BULL wrote...

I like how most of these characters seem 2 dimensional at first but show more depth. With Shinji i dont find him an " emo coward ".... ( yes some people label him this ) He's perfectly fine, layered and relatable. I think people that hate him cant accept the " relatable " part ".

I can't relate myself with Shinji or anyone in Evangelion. 
I do like Rei though. She will always be my favorite anime girl. 

[eroeru]

Evangelion is MIND=BLOWN! especially if you've acquainted yourself with existentialism and whatnot.

Shinji was never so much relatable to me as he was an awesome archetype/symbolistic type. His name means "belief", he represents (to me) a thriving for christian tenants, and how this faith/religion in its pure form will lead into existentialism in common situations, and vice versa, Shinji's existential struggles lead to a Christian goal (as somewhat in Sartre, moreso in Unamuno, Kierkegaard... or others). Oh the anguish.
(yet, as seen from End of Evangelion, his mother represents more Buddhist ways in that her ultimate goal is redeeming herself via herself, and a sort of nirvana - unrelated to the fact they're mother and son, commentaries on dialogue between and outcomes of Buddhism and Christianity are oft to be found)

The show has like SO many direct references and awesomely much to genuinely interpret it's not even funny.


A little musing on "Shinji as christian existentialism in flesh": in christianity it is essential that redemption be acquired via "another". Aside the fact it's thought as "better" to reach enlightenment and paradise via god, this thought in itself holds some interesting existential implications. You could redeem yourself through a relation with *others*.

Yet you'll never truly reach them lest the instrumentality project, yada yada. So he sort of suffers from the by-default de facto absolute subjectivity of his self and being. Human Instrumentality gives him more insight. What happens in the true end is themore interesting. (no spoilers)

But from the get-go he suffers under existential anguish - that being the understanding that ALL is in fact in YOUR hands (as repeated by his father-figure when he sees EVAs). Yet it is fact that from the infinite possibilites of free will comes infinite responsibility and guilt. It isn't amended by the understanding that you could ALWAYS do better /have done better.



And then there's all the outlying Freudian and Jungian stuff. Not to mention the Hegel. Oh the Hegel.

Anyway, though I started saying that the characters aren't relatable in the classical sense, well, if one accepts the premises of existential philosophy (or is interested by them, hence muses the though), then one is inclined to see Shinji's struggles as hisown.

I do relate to Shinji, but not in the way that is usually thought as "relating to someone". It's more of seeing his struggles as really underlying or profound in a way. An insightful picture of the troubles of thought.

Sheesh, I usually try not to go into this topic, as mostly I'm not good at explaining this stuff, but oh well, at least I did my best...

Modifié par eroeru, 16 octobre 2012 - 10:38 .

[eroeru]

^ Why? You don't cope with extreme and emotional stuff?

Modifié par eroeru, 16 octobre 2012 - 11:16 .

[eroeru]

Yeah, sounds like a familiar scenario.

I'm often overwhelmed by the dysfunctional aspects of anime characters myself, only to realise the gain from enjoying that sort of thing can backfire.

Escapism is pretty bad in the anime scene. It's like Paranoia Agent's Maromi - an escapist delusion that makes not *want* to function, but rather get behind all sorts of excuses (even philosophy as such is often mistaken or misguided as excuse-ridden),only to lead a life of confided emotions.


Uuh, there I go again. Sorry.

It's just that these things hit close to base. + the problems of unmotivated people and NEET are pretty big in Japan as well as any other place in the world.

Anyway, what I'd maybe want to say is that it's fairly obvious your friend didn't become what he was because of EVA, it was because what he willed and what he was like (also in terms of experience and most trivial preferences) that he enjoyed EVA. Yet on the other hand, staring into the abyss can be more harmful than it is interesting or teaching. Dunno. It's night-time and I've written far too much, and in far too unreadably.

Modifié par eroeru, 17 octobre 2012 - 12:00 .

[Arch1eviathan]

Filament wrote...

I watched Evangelion in 9th grade and like a lot of things in high school I keep trying to forget that ever happened.

LOL! I couldn't agree more. 

[eroeru]

Oh, by the way, I'm loving the second ED of Hunter X Hunter!

[Ghost Lightning]

Some Geth wrote...

Ghost Lightning wrote...

So...I just found out my favorite manga is getting an official English version. Yay

But it's not coming out till next June. Aww

Title?

Sankarea.

It may not be for everyone tho...

[Some Geth]

eroeru wrote...

Oh, by the way, I'm loving the second ED of Hunter X Hunter!

I always liked the first ending the best. Minako Honda was a great singer.

@bmwcrazy You can't relate with Shinji? Really? I mean he is every loser otaku's hero!:innocent:

[eroeru]

Some Geth wrote...

(Shinji) is every loser otaku's hero!:innocent:

This really. I don't know what prompted my big speech here - but really I did find the characters if not wholly similar to me then very believable and fleshed-out in their problems. Kinda what "relating to" means.

Oh, and I loved the first ED. Emotional music tbh. It's just that I'm also digging the faster pace and animating wonders of the second. Gotta love the scene with chairs in water. Very zen and all that.

[Lotion Soronarr]

eroeru wrote...

Yup. Though telling the basics does seem a bit redundant most of the times.

To write a bit more into it - I personally didn't quite enjoy Advent Children, sure it has received praise, but that's mostly because of the neat CGI and actiony stuff. Not much substance if any.

FF has substance?

[Lotion Soronarr]

eroeru wrote...

Evangelion is MIND=BLOWN! especially if you've acquainted yourself with existentialism and whatnot.

Ahh...symbolism.
Deeper meaning.
Layers.

Sheer and utter garbage imho.

I consider all that sprinkling of philosophy a faliure to create a story that stands on it's own, so it has to fill in the holes with pseudo-psychology.

Ever hack can just dump a ton of symbolism and mindf*** and then let the fanbase make a dozen interpreations. And then both the creator and the fans feel like geniuses.

I have a tendacy to dislike those kinds of movies/series/books.