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[Mystic dream]

Yeah, but the jokes getting old. Do we really need two characters who share the same mindset, even if it's supposed to be funny?

Anyway, I hope this doesn't become a trend in the series, I don't remember how douchy Zoro in particular was to women in the manga, so i'll take you word for it, but the last chapter, and the characterisation on Sanji been what it is, I'm just a tad worried. All things considered I enjoy this manga of the trio the best at the moment.

Modifié par Mystic dream, 30 octobre 2012 - 02:49 .

[Some Geth]

Well right now he looks like he is just a character of the arc, so it's not going be long until he is gone.

I hope Sanji(and now Zoro too) gets fixed soon.

Usopp is definitely the character who I feel has taken the biggest nosedive. While Sanji can be aggravating, Usopp now is just...boring. He's not even that much of a coward anymore, he just makes wide-mouthed reaction shots and is a general straight man. Wheres the fun lies, the artistic creativity, inane moves like Rubber Band, Noise or Spell? The only fun Usopp moments in recent memory I can think of are 1: His Robin impression, and 2: Fatsopp.

Modifié par Some Geth, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:52 .

[eroeru]

Some Geth wrote...

Yeah, but you are not scum, they are.

So, if you portray something without morals (or with upsidedown different ones), you're scum, eh? Howdoyaknow? It's certainly a pretty plausible logical possibility that a good person can write horrible stories, at the very least.

Furthermore, I could have easily written something like that. :innocent:

Third, some of the best writers in history could be called scum. "Beat generation" writers come to mind. Also, this is more debatable, but de Sade comes to mind.

edit: though I won't ever compare the two mangaka with Kerouac or de Sade.

Modifié par eroeru, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:10 .

[Some Geth]

No, I don't think you could easily write a story about ski jumping and rape.

I have to say it(because even I don't believe it), there is a manga about ski jumping with tons of rape sh!t in it.

Modifié par Some Geth, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:08 .

[eroeru]

Is it Nononono?

[Some Geth]

Yesyesyesyes

[eroeru]

Damn. I must read that one.

[Some Geth]

Don't.

[eroeru]

Hahaha. I probably won't.

[Some Geth]

Way back I started reading the manga on a complete lark (heavy, heavy duty procrastination). It is very much a manga by Elfin Lied's mangaka, which is to say it's pretty sick and disturbing (rape scenes? why???????????) and also shamelessly over the top and ridiculous with people stabbing each other with knives and being in suicide cults over ski jumping. The backstory for the heroine is hands down one of the most absurd I've read in even in a sports manga and I couldn't manage it with a straight face, sh!t be bananas. That's not to say the parts about ski jumping (which really railroads a lot of the action let me tell you) aren't interesting enough but god Okamoto can't write worth sh!t if he has to resort to island death pact transvestites whose families will be killed if they don't jump past the K point oh no!!!!!!!. to create drama.

NSFW 

This manga is a NO NO NO NO

Man wow I'd forgotten just how bad this gets. I don't even feel comfortable linking let alone looking at some of the rest of this. DOES A MANGA ABOUT SKI JUMPING REALLY NEED 3 SEPARATE ATTEMPTED RAPE SCENES ON THE SAME GIRL. What in f**k.

What in f**k.

Modifié par Some Geth, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:24 .

[Nashiktal]

I remember that manga. Granted I never finished it as I had to change manga reading apps, and as such lost it... But there isn't as much rape as you might think.

Although what rape there is was kinda.... Off putting, and not in the "rape is bad" sort of offputting. More like the rape feels out of place. Otherwise it was an alright sports manga though.

[Some Geth]

"DOES A MANGA ABOUT SKI JUMPING REALLY NEED 3 SEPARATE ATTEMPTED RAPE SCENES ON THE SAME GIRL"

Just saying.

Modifié par Some Geth, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:28 .

[eroeru]

That scene *does* seem unfitting and unsettling (in a most possibly bad way).

[Mystic dream]

The only way that can get worse is if they end up together. Not gonna bother to try to find out though.

[Nashiktal]

eroeru wrote...

That scene *does* seem unfitting and unsettling (in a most possibly bad way).

And came right out of the left field at that point of the story.

Edit: Does anyone remember what the name of the manga was?

Edit2: Nevermind I remember now.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 30 octobre 2012 - 04:28 .

[Some Geth]

I saw a post somewhere, that is now making me rethink my view on the One Piece chapter.

I liked it. Some cool visuals, and while Tashigi didn't excel or win the fight on her own, she had a couple moments.  

Zoro saw his opponent as weak and didn't need to go all out. HE DIDN'T PUT HIS BANDANA ON. Should have realized that last chapter.  

Sex comes into it some, but the entire point of Sanji's scene, AND Tashigi's, AND Zoro's dialogue, was to say it wasn't about that. Zoro doesn't care to fight women, but that wasn't what held him back. That was explicitly said several times by a couple characters, including Zoro himself.  

It was entirely that he was leagues stronger than her. Its the same weird standard that surrounds the "next nakama" crowd. "Monet is a girl so I want her to join!" isn't too far off from "Monet is a girl so Zoro didn't have to try very hard!" If Monet had been an ugly weird dude with the exact same personality and abilities that poisons kids and turns into a big toothed shoulder biting monster, and is all evil and stuff, not only would nobody be wanting her to join, but they wouldn't have a problem here either. (Well, there are the people that wanted Caribou to join...) Also, even with icepicks and a steel-wing move, she wasn't really a sword-user.  

Zoro cut himself to give a handicap against Cabaji all the way back at the start of the series. Had a crippling Mihawk slash against Hachi. Sliced his own legs in Little garden. Usopp tied to his arm during Enies Lobby. Had less than three swords during thriller bark. Kuma damage during Sabondy. Still with Kuma damage against those baboons on Mihawk's island. Fought a fishman underwater and one shotted him.  

Really I think Mr. 1 and Ryuma is pretty much the only times he's gone all out, (Mihawk aside) and he was handicapped in odd ways in those fights too.  

Zoro is ALWAYS handicapped, and always in a bad condition. But he also gauges his opponents and fights them at their level, if he's in full health and way ahead of them, he holds back. He didn't go all out at Fishman Island, and he didn't go all out here. Its back to the start of the series question of not "how will they survive this" but "Just how strong are these guys?"  

Remember who he just spent two years training under. Mr. "I'm going to stop all three of your swords with the smallest pocket knife I have because it's the fairest thing I can do, sorry I don't have anything smaller." You don't use a canon to hunt rabbits, you use what's appropriate to the situation.  

Zoro saw Monet as a threat to the weaker people who were escaping... but didn't see much threat in her to him. He traded a few testing blows and saw he was stronger and faster than her and knew he could one shot her and utterly destroy her, (and he proved his point, even without using Haki on her) and there was no need to go all out.  

That's exactly the same kind of restraint Mihawk showed when that little ant in the east blue challenged him. Tashigi said she wanted to fight Monet, so Zoro let her. (And he probably gauged that she could probably meet the challenge.) Same way Luffy let Zoro fight Mihawk.

If Zoro had a pocket knife on him he might have played around a bit more and the blatant similarity might have been more obvious. Tashigi is being shown that there's an entire monstrous league ahead of her and she has to try harder to catch up.

Modifié par Some Geth, 30 octobre 2012 - 06:14 .

[eroeru]

Berserk and Hunter X Hunter (for me, it gets good starting from the 71st chapter though).

[Arch1eviathan]

RAGING_BULL wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

RAGING_BULL wrote...

Arch1eviathan wrote...

So ichigo is actually a quincy? How... Why?

To quote a friend

" Ichigo is a walking deus ex machina "

Indeed. I'm trying to figure out if Kubo is worse than Kishimoto at just coming up with BS scenarios at this point.

What are actually some good manga's that doesn't do crap like this?

Despite what some may say on here, I really enjoy the naruto manga. It has hit a few rough spots in the long hall but it is still interesting.

Darker than black is also good and a lot shorter.

[Some Geth]

RAGING_BULL wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

RAGING_BULL wrote...

Arch1eviathan wrote...

So ichigo is actually a quincy? How... Why?

To quote a friend

" Ichigo is a walking deus ex machina "

Indeed. I'm trying to figure out if Kubo is worse than Kishimoto at just coming up with BS scenarios at this point.

What are actually some good manga's that doesn't do crap like this?

If we are just talking WSJ, One Piece and Hunter x Hunter.

Oh and J? Kubo is worse.

[soultaker65]

RAGING_BULL wrote...

What are actually some good manga's that doesn't do crap like this?

Soul Eater and from what I hear about it Toriko.

[Ghost Lightning]

RAGING_BULL wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

RAGING_BULL wrote...

Arch1eviathan wrote...

So ichigo is actually a quincy? How... Why?

To quote a friend

" Ichigo is a walking deus ex machina "

Indeed. I'm trying to figure out if Kubo is worse than Kishimoto at just coming up with BS scenarios at this point.

What are actually some good manga's that doesn't do crap like this?

Berserk.