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So guys and gals, do you prefer the Fate/Stay Night remake or the original adaptation overall? I haven't watched the first anime and want to know if it's worth my time going back to.
Can pretty much guarantee that the consensus here is that the remake is better.
Which really isn't a remake.
Just the adaptation of one of three routes in the FSN VN.
But it's still a followup to Zero.
So go for UBW2014.
Yup Sim is correct.
FSN UBW 2014 > DEEN's FSN.
Do note that the UBW anime isn't done yet. It still has 12 episodes to go that will air april 2015.
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Yup Sim is correct.
FSN UBW 2014 > DEEN's FSN.
Do note that the UBW anime isn't done yet. It still has 12 episodes to go that will air april 2015.
You hate Gilgamesh?
This loveable man?
Don't really know how you can love Gilgamesh. He is an arrogant ******, claims he is King because reasons, laughs at Saber and her ideals and adds nothing to the story other than mocking everyone. One of the few bad characters in Zero, I found.
Anyhow, finished first season of Log Horizon. Well I thnk it goes without saying; Log Horizon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SAO. Next up season 2!
I guess one of my reasons why I sorta liked him in Fate/Zero was how he and Kirei were the ones who won in the end.
I liked how for once the villains won. His powers are pretty cool too! 
But I do agree that his arrogance could be very annoying at times. I vastly prefer Archer from Fate/Stay.
Gilgamesh is an arrogant ****** if you look at him from our modern understanding of what a sovereign is/does.
However, he's a couple millenia older than that, even still a couple millenia older than the legend of Arthur and again a couple millenia older than Alexander the Great (The legendary Gilgamesh is said to have been around 2800-2500 BC). The idea of kingship during that time was usually derived from godhood (compare ancient egyptian Pharaos), so he's not acting arrogant by his standards at all. In fact he's pretty courteous at times when he's talking to Rider and Saber for example.
All that aside, he IS the oldest and thus strongest heroic spirit in the Nasuverse afaik. That gives him a bit leverage to act the arrogant part because really, you can't name it arrogance when he can actually back it up. Accurately speaking, he's simply a lot more confident and lacks humility to not show that off all the time, but that is a thing he explained, a king shouldn't act on humility, he should embody all there is on the world.
Don't really know how you can love Gilgamesh. He is an arrogant ******, claims he is King because reasons, laughs at Saber and her ideals and adds nothing to the story other than mocking everyone. One of the few bad characters in Zero, I found.
Eh, I disagree.
Yes, on the surface Gilgamesh undoubtedly comes across as an arrogant ****** who has the attitude of an over grown child who claims that everything is his by right. Resenting such a character is understandable, and I initially did so as well since I thought that was all there was to him and if there is something I hate are leaders who simply establishes themselves above others without any reasoning to why this is the case. Though thankfully with Gilgamesh--and with many characters in the Fate universe--he is quite a complex and nuanced character.
His arrogance is an integral part of his nature, due to the historical persona that he embodies, which is to a large extent warranted. Anyone who has read the Epic of Gilgamesh knows of its story and influence it has had in both ancient and modern culture, and everything that Gilgamesh promulgates about is not without merit, since he can back his claims quite well, both with his abilities and treasury (Gates of Babylon holds more things than just weapons). I wouldn't directly label Gilgamesh as arrogant, but more him being self-assured and prideful, since he simply states things as what he believes to be facts and not to simply make fun of others.
This is quite prominently brought up in the Banquet of Kings episode, in which Rider and Gilgamesh take up that pride is a prerequisite for kingship, an integral part in its definition. For a leader it is a vital aspect--among other things--to embody a larger-than-life figure as a means to inspire, which they argue with Saber is something that she didn't do and ultimately led to her kingdom's downfall. Certainly, Gilgamesh is a tyrant. He thinks and acts in extremes--he feels in extremes, in ways other people don’t. By Rider’s logic he is every bit a hero because of that. Though one should not forget that he does share striking similarities with Saber. Like Saber, he himself was a king so far removed from his subjects, and like her he tried to carry the weight of his kingdom on his back alone--thus, absolving himself to the solitude that role entails. He knows what ultimately awaits Saber and how foolish her quest is, and he can't help but laugh at her for that (though I wish he had actually pointed this out instead of just mocking her).
A factor that is a vital part that he likes to play within the story is that of aspiration, albeit in twisted ways. His two primary interests in Zero are with Kirei and Saber; in which he with the former he seduces self actualization into Kirei's self-denying nature who unbeknown to him harbors a willingness to reach beyond himself, and with Saber who he shares similarities with and wants to explore how she would bear the weight of her idealistic aspirations when they would collapse on her as it did with him. What I enjoy about Gilgamesh is his manipulative nature and how he seemingly is drawn to those who attempt to move beyond themselves, even when that reach seems futile or dangerous (a major reason why he loathed Tokiomi Tohsaka and couldn't stand him). So yeah, he is hardly unnecessary to the plot and his actions does play a role in Stay Night (though the Fate route made him terrible. Hoping he is better in UBW and HF).
I can see plenty of reasons to loathe Gilgamesh, even with these traits, though I would hardly call him a bad character for it. So without further ado...
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Gil fandom to the rescue 
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I think there's plenty of reasons to loathe lots of well written characters.
There might be, beneath my four walls of mighty unadulterated bias, reasons to hate *le gasp!* YANG WENLI!
I suppose it's who clicks with you most in these cases.
But I value criticism that goes "no, but yes but no but" rather than "no."
Like Geth's hate for Team Aqua.
Now that's just uncalled for.
Or my love for Griffith (Berserk.)
There is no way in hell you could call him a "decent person." There's less "good" in him than I have IQ points.
But I can't help but adore the character. Why?
Cos he's well ****** written xD
Zero is certainly a great prequel, but eh the two villains I found rather poor.
I disagree with this as well.
DON'T GET ME STARTED ON KOTOMINE--BADASSMOTHERF*CKER--KIREI!!!
I disagree with this as well.
DON'T GET ME STARTED ON KOTOMINE--BADASSMOTHERF*CKER--KIREI!!!
Nighttime jogging, 'nuff said.
I think there's plenty of reasons to loathe lots of well written characters.
There might be, beneath my four walls of mighty unadulterated bias, reasons to hate *le gasp!* YANG WENLI!
I suppose it's who clicks with you most in these cases.
But I value criticism that goes "no, but yes but no but" rather than "no."
Like Geth's hate for Team Aqua.
Now that's just uncalled for.
Yang Wenli suxs tbh
Reinhard >>>>>>>> Ying Yang Yo.
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Yang Wenli suxs tbh
Reinhard >>>>>>>> Ying Yang Yo.
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Meanwhile >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Don't really know how you can love Gilgamesh. He is an arrogant ******, claims he is King because reasons, laughs at Saber and her ideals and adds nothing to the story other than mocking everyone. One of the few bad characters in Zero, I found.
Anyhow, finished first season of Log Horizon. Well I thnk it goes without saying; Log Horizon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SAO. Next up season 2!
My post was only 50% serious.
But yes Gilgamesh is an arrogant ******* but I can't really blame him for that with all the stuff he has.
This is the guy who
I should also clarify that I've actually read someone do a walkthrough for Fate Extra CCC with the servant Gilgamesh. He is really great in that game and probably the most interesting servant that you can choose from.
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Gilgamesh should be the one Saber sucked.
Gilgamesh should be the one Saber sucked.
Impying anyone could do THAT!
I made you a card, Geth Rider!
(I was going to add your favorite Pokemon to it, but I didn't message you in time
)
Thanks!
I have tons of favorites actually.
Mightyena is one of them.
So this works out anyway. lol
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