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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 12:49

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And I guess Saint Seiya would sort of be like that King Arthur show(never saw it so I really do not know.).

 


Except that King Arthur takes place in the medieval era and it seems that Saint Seiya takes place in the old Greek era. But I do see some similarities yeah (both series implement sci-fi elements into a fantasy setting it seems). Perhaps I'll give this anime a try in the future. I'll put it on my "anime recommended by friends" list. ^_^

Hope you like it.:wizard:

Also have you ever read or seen Hunter x Hunter?

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And I guess Saint Seiya would sort of be like that King Arthur show(never saw it so I really do not know.).

 


Except that King Arthur takes place in the medieval era and it seems that Saint Seiya takes place in the old Greek era. But I do see some similarities yeah (both series implement sci-fi elements into a fantasy setting it seems). Perhaps I'll give this anime a try in the future. I'll put it on my "anime recommended by friends" list. ^_^

Hope you like it.:wizard:

Also have you ever read or seen Hunter x Hunter?


Jep I've watched the anime.

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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 01:11

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1999 show or 2011 show?

And you should read the manga if you want the full story with no edits.

Hell it has one of the best story arcs in all of manga yet the first show never got to it(not that it would do any good back then) and the new show's edits will mess the arc up somewhat.

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Some Geth wrote...

1999 show or 2011 show?

And you should read the manga if you want the full story with no edits.

Hell it has one of the best story arcs in all of manga yet the first show never got to it(not that it would do any good back then) and the new show's edits will mess the arc up somewhat.


1999 version. I didn't even know there was a 2011 version!


To be honest, I wasn't very fond of the characters in Hunter X Hunter, but the story in general was great. I just found it annoying how Gon was such a pacifist in a non-cool way.

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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 01:39

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Luc0s wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

1999 show or 2011 show?

And you should read the manga if you want the full story with no edits.

Hell it has one of the best story arcs in all of manga yet the first show never got to it(not that it would do any good back then) and the new show's edits will mess the arc up somewhat.


1999 version. I didn't even know there was a 2011 version!


To be honest, I wasn't very fond of the characters in Hunter X Hunter, but the story in general was great. I just found it annoying how Gon was such a pacifist in a non-cool way.

Gon is very odd but I like him, stuff like his fight with Hanzo is great from a character point of view and I love that he has his own "black and white" view. Like he was so mad at Nobunaga because he kills people(for nothing and no reason) but when he saw that Nobunaga was sad because of the death of his friend, Gon lost it, I mean that is really great in the sense that Gon never views anyone as "good" or "evil" until he will ask them questions and then when he gets something he dislikes? and can't tell apart from "good" and "evil" ? all hell breaks loose.

TheChimera Ant arc has the best of Gon in my view(boy does he ever get broken in that arc) and has some of the best writing in all of manga.

Don't know what you mean by him being a pacifiist?

And really I like almost all of the cast.

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Don't know what you mean by him being a pacifiist?


I mean that Gon is even a worse goody-two-shoes than a pure 100% Paragon Shepard.

Gon has no back-bone in my opinion and he rather tries to persuade the badguys and convince them that they're wrong than just beating the crap out of them and/or killing them.

I'm not a fan of useless violence, but sometimes a character just deserves to be killed but Gon is still willing to give them a chance and everything. I personally find that annoying.

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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 02:40

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About mecha-like anime - I really liked Macross Frontier myself. It's a bit of a long shot, knowing nothing of your other tastes - but I can easily recommend it more than for example Eureka Seven (which is a bit stale in my opinion - though I've seen only about 10 eps of it).

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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 04:26

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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 04:32

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Don't know what you mean by him being a pacifiist?


I mean that Gon is even a worse goody-two-shoes than a pure 100% Paragon Shepard.

Gon has no back-bone in my opinion and he rather tries to persuade the badguys and convince them that they're wrong than just beating the crap out of them and/or killing them.

I'm not a fan of useless violence, but sometimes a character just deserves to be killed but Gon is still willing to give them a chance and everything. I personally find that annoying.

What? oh boy there is a lot of wrong in this post.

Now I will say this, my post will be full of spoilers so stop reading now if you don't want to know spoilers or why you are wrong.=]

Gon never tries to convince anyone they are wrong, he will ask them why they do what they do sure. Like the time he wanted to know why Chrollo killed people for no real reason.

And then all Chrollo did was give this face and said this.
http://www.mangaread...hapter-111.html 

But still Gon will try to find a better way than just useless death like this.
http://www.mangaread...hapter-195.html 

So you are right somewhat Gon did give a chance to him... but only one.

You see Gon himself has said he is okay with killing people who are "mean" to their own friends or are just "pure evil" like in this page 
http://www.mangaread...hapter-195.html to this page http://www.mangaread...hapter-195.html 

He gets that this guy is just an evil jerk and guess what? Gon kills him.
http://www.mangaread...hapter-195.html 

So really one chance is not bad since he did not know this guy was that evil even if Gon job was to kill him/the rest of the ants but as soon as he saw him for what he really is... the pages talk for themselves.

And that gets Gon saying what I was just talking about here.
http://www.mangaread...hapter-196.html 

Now I am sure you are wondering why Kite was thinking that after Gon said that... Well what if somebody killed one of Gon's friends? but the killer himself is not really evil? or Gon finds said killer trying to save the life of someone who is innocent? what would Godn do then?

Well that would be getting into too many sopilers.;)

So yeah Gon is nothing like Paragon or Renegade Shepard because Hunter x Hunter is better writing than Mass Effect when it comes to morals and how we view them.

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Don't know what you mean by him being a pacifiist?


I mean that Gon is even a worse goody-two-shoes than a pure 100% Paragon Shepard.

Gon has no back-bone in my opinion and he rather tries to persuade the badguys and convince them that they're wrong than just beating the crap out of them and/or killing them.

I'm not a fan of useless violence, but sometimes a character just deserves to be killed but Gon is still willing to give them a chance and everything. I personally find that annoying.

What? oh boy there is a lot of wrong in this post.

Now I will say this, my post will be full of spoilers so stop reading now if you don't want to know spoilers or why you are wrong.=]

Gon never tries to convince anyone they are wrong, he will ask them why they do what they do sure. Like the time he wanted to know why Chrollo killed people for no real reason.

So yeah Gon is nothing like Paragon or Renegade Shepard because Hunter x Hunter is better writing than Mass Effect when it comes to morals and how we view them.





I guess you didn't really understand my post. My post is not wrong because it's my opinion on Gon. God is not a Paragon, he's a goody-two-shoes, may I say even borderline Mary Sue? That's why I hate him so much. I hate it how "perfect" he is, always mr. nice guy, always willing to give everyone a second chance even if they're better off death. It's even worse than Goku.

Besides, I'm generally not a fan of anime where all the protagonists are children. I hate children. Hunter X Hunter is the sole exception because the story is pretty good. 


By the way, I haven't read the manga and the last time I saw the anime was back in 2001 or at least 10 years ago. I don't remember exactly every detail of the anime. But from what I remember, I remember that I pretty much hated Gon very badly.

However, like I said, I hate children in general (especially children in anime or other cartoons). So I pretty much hated Simon from TTGL too before he grew up. Only after the 7 years time skip did he start to become cool. Before that he was f*cking annoying.


Besides, I'm often more fan of the Lancer in most anime. Protagonists in general are boring. Well, except for Luffy from One Piece, he's awesome. But in One Piece very character is cool (except for Coby, he's gay). And I guess Simon from TTGL is also pretty cool after the 7 years time skip.



But bottom line is, there is nothing WRONG with an OPINION. Even when people like the horrible horrible Mass Effect 3 ending, they're not wrong for liking it. I mean it's not that I will ever understand folks who actually liked that piece of crap ending, but they are free to have their opinion. ^_^

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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 09:17

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Luc0s wrote...

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Luc0s wrote...

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Don't know what you mean by him being a pacifiist?


I mean that Gon is even a worse goody-two-shoes than a pure 100% Paragon Shepard.

Gon has no back-bone in my opinion and he rather tries to persuade the badguys and convince them that they're wrong than just beating the crap out of them and/or killing them.

I'm not a fan of useless violence, but sometimes a character just deserves to be killed but Gon is still willing to give them a chance and everything. I personally find that annoying.

What? oh boy there is a lot of wrong in this post.

Now I will say this, my post will be full of spoilers so stop reading now if you don't want to know spoilers or why you are wrong.=]

Gon never tries to convince anyone they are wrong, he will ask them why they do what they do sure. Like the time he wanted to know why Chrollo killed people for no real reason.

And then all Chrollo did was give this face and said this.
http://www.mangaread...hapter-111.html 

But still Gon will try to find a better way than just useless death like this.
http://www.mangaread...hapter-195.html 

So you are right somewhat Gon did give a chance to him... but only one.

You see Gon himself has said he is okay with killing people who are "mean" to their own friends or are just "pure evil" like in this page 
http://www.mangaread...hapter-195.html to this page http://www.mangaread...hapter-195.html 

He gets that this guy is just an evil jerk and guess what? Gon kills him.
http://www.mangaread...hapter-195.html 

So really one chance is not bad since he did not know this guy was that evil even if Gon job was to kill him/the rest of the ants but as soon as he saw him for what he really is... the pages talk for themselves.

And that gets Gon saying what I was just talking about here.
http://www.mangaread...hapter-196.html 

Now I am sure you are wondering why Kite was thinking that after Gon said that... Well what if somebody killed one of Gon's friends? but the killer himself is not really evil? or Gon finds said killer trying to save the life of someone who is innocent? what would Godn do then?

Well that would be getting into too many sopilers.;)

So yeah Gon is nothing like Paragon or Renegade Shepard because Hunter x Hunter is better writing than Mass Effect when it comes to morals and how we view them.





I guess you didn't really understand my post. My post is not wrong because it's my opinion on Gon. God is not a Paragon, he's a goody-two-shoes, may I say even borderline Mary Sue? That's why I hate him so much. I hate it how "perfect" he is, always mr. nice guy, always willing to give everyone a second chance even if they're better off death. It's even worse than Goku.

Besides, I'm generally not a fan of anime where all the protagonists are children. I hate children. Hunter X Hunter is the sole exception because the story is pretty good. 


By the way, I haven't read the manga and the last time I saw the anime was back in 2001 or at least 10 years ago. I don't remember exactly every detail of the anime. But from what I remember, I remember that I pretty much hated Gon very badly.

Sure you have an opinion but it makes little sense to me.

Again here comes spoilers

Would a goody-two-shoes try to stop someone from saving a blind girl from death out of selfishness?(even if it is to help a friend it is still selfish). 

That comes off like a badguy right? because this chapter and the next Gon is in that very role.
http://www.mangaread...hapter-274.html 

Yup he is not perfect and in no way a Mary Sue.

I also don't get how you think Son Goku a gag character is like anything like you just said.

As for kids I myself like them in real life but it is true in a story not many can write kids well... good thing Togashi can.

You should try to back up the points you are trying to make as well, if I might add.

And yeah nothing is wrong with an opinion but a not so well thought out one(because it has been a long time since you have seen the show and have never read the manga) is hard for me to take seriously.

So anyway get on to reading the manga NOW!!! it's a even better Jump manga than One Piece and you know how much I love One Piece.

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I also don't get how you think Son Goku a gag character is like anything like you just said.


A gag character? As in: you think Goku is a joke?

Well, joke or not, Goku is the perfect example of a goody-two-shoes and he is even more a Mary Sue than Gon is.

Whether Gon is a Mary Sue or not is debatable. Whether Goku is a Mary Sue or not is not debatable. He just is.

Goku is always doing the right thing. He always refuses to kill a character unless that character pushes Goku to hus very limit. But he always wants to give bad guys at least 1 second chance. In Freeza's case it was even worse. Freeza comitted genocide on the Saiyan race and yet Goku refused to kill him. What the f*ck? He should just have killed Freeza and be done with it. But he risked his own life because he refused to kill Freeza. What a dumb-ass. A perfect example of a goody-two-shoes up to a point where it's f*cking anoying.

Gon is the same as Goku, but less extreme. Gon at least has some character development and becomes more mature over time.



Some Geth wrote...


As for kids I myself like them in real life but it is true in a story not many can write kids well... good thing Togashi can.


I even hate kids in real-life, but kids in anime are worse than kids in real-life.



Some Geth wrote...

You should try to back up the points you are trying to make as well, if I might add.


I believe I just did. But it's hard ot back up a feeling about a character when you don't remember exactly what happened. As I said, I've seen Hunter X Hunter at least 10 years ago. That's a long time. I don't exactly remember everything from Hunet X Hunter. All I remember is the impression that Gon left on me. And the impression that Gon left on me is that of a pacifist and a goody-two-shoes.

That's just the impression I had left from Gon after 10 years and I don't need to justify that to you.





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And yeah nothing is wrong with an opinion but a not so well thought out one(because it has been a long time since you have seen the show and have never read the manga) is hard for me to take seriously.


Like I said, it's just an impression that's left after 10 years. No need to be so worked up about it. 

You know what? Here's a deal. I feel like watching Hunter X Hunter again, so I will put it on my list and watch it in the near future. If after watching it again I still think the same about Gon, I will tell you and I will tell you why. If I changed my mind about Gon, I will also tell you and I will a


Some Geth wrote...

So anyway get on to reading the manga NOW!!! it's a even better Jump manga than One Piece and you know how much I love One Piece.


I don't read manga anymore. I don't have the time for it. Anime is something I can watch while doing homework at the same time. Reading manga and doing homework at the same time is harder for me (especially because I'm dyslexic). So no, I'm not going to read the manga, but I will watch the 2011 remake of Hunter X Hunter.

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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 10:05

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Son Goku is a gag character, so don't take him too seriously(a lot of people in the west do this so you are not the only one).

Yeah he did not want to kill his foes(but he did kill his foes a lot with no second chances), want to know why? Not because of the goodness in his heart nonsense but because he loves to fight(it is in his DNA if you want a "story reason")and wanted a rematch.

So yup he is a dumb-ass and that is why people love him.=]

The guy who made Dragon Ball also made this 
  gag characters are almost never smart(or nice...)

I mean whats next are Luffy, Usopp, Chopper, Franky and Brook Mary Sues? because they are gag characters as well, not as much as Goku but still the point stands.

And really Gon is more like the anti-Goku than being anything like him.

Sure anime kids suck good thing manga ones like Gon don't suck!=]

Still I can sort of get if you think Gon is a bit too nice in the first show since they never got to the meat of his character, but still he never said to his foes they were wrong or let his foes go(he never even beats them anyway!=]) and he was in no way a pacifist.

And it's too bad about you not reading the manga. As much as I like the new show the edits will mess the story up a bit but oh well! I just hope the new show does not mess Gon's great character up so you can see him for what he really is.;)

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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 10:19

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@Luc0s

Maybe you'll have a different view on kids and do-no-wrong ethics when you get older. :D

I certainly did. Also, reading Kant helps a lot towards this. ;)

That said, Some Geth is right. Son Goku is a fight-all-you-can type of character, and at the same time he wants the good thing, no matter what. People like the latter Goku are rare in real life - that's partly why life can really suck. :D But the fight-all-you-can thing is even more rare, hence more interesting.

Why do people love normal characters?? It's remained a mystery for me. Like with Tali and Varric... two of the most boring characters ever made, imo. :D

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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 10:23

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eroeru wrote...

@Luc0s

Maybe you'll have a different view on kids and do-no-wrong ethics when you get older. :D

I certainly did. Also, reading Kant helps a lot towards this. ;)

That said, Some Geth is right. Son Goku is a fight-all-you-can type of character, and at the same time he wants the good thing, no matter what. People like the latter Goku are rare in real life - that's partly why life can really suck. :D But the fight-all-you-can thing is even more rare, hence more interesting.

Why do people love normal characters?? It's remained a mystery for me. Like with Tali and Varric... two of the most boring characters ever made, imo. :D

Tali and Varric are normal?

I have seen many odd things on this forum but that is just very odd.=]

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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 10:39

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@Lotion Soronnar
Yeah, it did seem a bit "unbalanced" as far as the (imaginary) physics was concerned. But the series never, at least until this point, took itself seriously, and when it did, the heroics were hence more likeable. Although the Freeza arc does take the fighting stuff too far, the general attraction is still there. Mythological power and themes vs the not-so-serious comedy. So I do agree on the poetic nature of (some of) the fights.


I mean more that the power levels are not taken literaly.
A character might say:
"It's impossible! The Athena Exclamations power is similar to the Big Bang!"   but at no point is it ever shown or even implied that it is meant literaly. Kinda like when you say "that guy is as tall as a mountain".


EDIT:
Personally I though TTGL was meh.

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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 10:42

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So yup he is a dumb-ass and that is why people love him.=]


Or hate him.

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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 10:43

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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Some Geth wrote...
So yup he is a dumb-ass and that is why people love him.=]


Or hate him.

Yeah I hate Donald Duck too the stupid jerk.=]

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@Some Geth

Well, in comparison to my favorite characters from those games - Wrex and Oghren (/Morrigan/Leliana/Alistair) - they're 100% normal like.

@Lotion
Ok, I haven't thought of that. That's kinda cool, also mythology-like.

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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 10:56

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@Some Geth

Well, in comparison to my favorite characters from those games - Wrex and Oghren (/Morrigan/Leliana/Alistair) - they're 100% normal like.

Not really...:huh:

But this is getting off-topic.=]

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Besides, I'm often more fan of the Lancer in most anime.


Jsut a heads up - the main char in Saint Seiya is a boring Scrappy/Mary Sue.
Fortunately, the other characters are great.

If you like the Lancer types, you're gonna love Dragon and Phoenix.

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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 12:06

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My favourites are Fullmetal Alchemist (manga+Brotherhood anime), One Piece, Death Note, Naruto Shippuuden, k-on and of course Dragonball Z.

I just started Tiger & Bunny which I am about half way through and LOVE. I would also like to have a crack at Fairy Tale and Claymore.

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Fairy tail, bleach, code geass, and Gundam 00/Wing/Seed+Destiny

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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Luc0s wrote...
Besides, I'm often more fan of the Lancer in most anime.


Jsut a heads up - the main char in Saint Seiya is a boring Scrappy/Mary Sue.
Fortunately, the other characters are great.

If you like the Lancer types, you're gonna love Dragon and Phoenix.

Since we are all into TV Tropes right now for some reason... I am going to say this to you about the words Scrappy/Mary Sue.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.:P

And that has noting to with what you were just talking about just felt like saying that.=]

Anyway back to that there anime/manga!

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Maybe you'll have a different view on kids and do-no-wrong ethics when you get older. :D


I'm old enough to understand the world around me. I'm 23 years old, young in the eyes of some, but old enough to know how things work. How old are you, if I may ask?


eroeru wrote...

That said, Some Geth is right. Son Goku is a fight-all-you-can type of character, and at the same time he wants the good thing, no matter what. People like the latter Goku are rare in real life - that's partly why life can really suck. :D But the fight-all-you-can thing is even more rare, hence more interesting.


Luffy is also a fight-all-you-can character but a lot more interesting than Friend of All Living Things Gon from Hunter X Hunter, or Goku from Dragonball (who is also a Friend of All Living Things).

Basically, I hate "Friend of All Living Things" characters.


Also,lLife doesn't suck, life is awesome. I love life.



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Why do people love normal characters?? It's remained a mystery for me. Like with Tali and Varric... two of the most boring characters ever made, imo. :D


Because "normal" characters are more realistic and therefor easier to relate too. But I wouldn't say Tali is normal. Far from normal. There are many things I hate about Tali.

Basically, what I want for my characters, is flaws. And not the typical cliché flaws that aren't flaws (e.g. flaws that never really hinder the character at all). No, I want my characters seriously flawed and I want those flaws to bite them in the ass from time to time. Those characters are awesome.


A good example of a cool but flawed character would be Geralt of Rivia from The Witcher.
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