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[soultaker65]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

You give 10's?

Who the hell give 10's? or 1 for that matter?
That's a totally unrealistic scores...and according to you list, every anime is billiant.
Methinks your criteria are a bit too lax.

That sites rating system is too big.

I perfer 5 point rating system and I hate rating systems with scores like 7.5

So with my list 10 means 5, 9 means 4, and so on.

Anything below 5 is bad. There is no big difference between Bad, Very Bad, Horrible, Appalling all of them mean the show was bad so why would you rate how bad it was?

My criteria may be lax when compared to some anime fans, but then again I only watch shows I like.

Most of the time I can tell if I'm going to like a show by the third episode, I can only think of two show that I watched more than three episodes and ended up hating them (11eyes and Needless) so they get 4s.

Like Ghost Lightning I give 10s/5s to shows that were so good IMO that any flaws are just nit-picks, 9s/4s there was one or two small flaws that I couldn't let go, and so on.

No anime is truly brilliant, but almost all animes are watchable.

Modifié par soultaker65, 17 décembre 2012 - 06:50 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Anything below 10 is bad?
Too broad a brush, too limiting a rating system.

I use the average, slightly above/below average, above/belov average, great, forgettable, brilliant, bad...

5 is average for example.
And I avoid using the highest/lowest rankings because such are way too subjective and imply finality.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Ghost Lightning wrote...

I've given I think twelve 10's. I give them to the shows that make me cry and stuff. Like the ones that really get to me to the point where I completely forget about any negatives I may point out if I weren't so enamored by everything else.

But that doesn't make them go away. *You* merely IGNORE THEM.

Which is why I stand by my claim that scores of perfection are garbage.
Objectivity lies in not ignoring anything - neither the good parts or the flaws.

[RedArmyShogun]

Ahh I love this picture. As its true!

[Some Geth]

Dragon Ball was never about being manly (Satan was manly tho), so that joke does not work.

And lol nice avatar.

Modifié par Some Geth, 18 décembre 2012 - 01:14 .

[RedArmyShogun]

Oh no, i know the joke doesn't work. I still find it hillarious however. FoTNS was one of my Fav animes back in the day...god was that a long running show though.

And yes it is as

I AM GUNDAM (like finally something to like about Gundam 00 lulz)

[Some Geth]

Fist of the North Star had the same pacing problems that all Toei shows have.

[ThePinkFoxx]

I've been on a K-ON! kick again lately, re-watching the series again after seeing the movie recently. So many feels, it's still definitely one of my favourites tbh.

[RedArmyShogun]

ahaha ahh this one works well

[Ghost Lightning]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Ghost Lightning wrote...

I've given I think twelve 10's. I give them to the shows that make me cry and stuff. Like the ones that really get to me to the point where I completely forget about any negatives I may point out if I weren't so enamored by everything else.

But that doesn't make them go away. *You* merely IGNORE THEM.

Which is why I stand by my claim that scores of perfection are garbage.
Objectivity lies in not ignoring anything - neither the good parts or the flaws.

That's true, but then again there really is no objective definition for what is good or bad in a work of fiction. For example, a series may have very fast pacing, but whether the pacing is a good or bad thing is totally dependant on the viewers preference. Like, when I say I ignore negatives, I really mean that I honetly can't see any. At least nothing that could make me want to rate those series that I give "perfect" scores down for. And just imo, I don't consider 10 to be like mana from heavan perfect. Just so amazingly good that there are no negative aspects that I can think of. But I do get what you mean about ratings of 10 and 1 (or sometimes 0) are too ambiguous to be taken seriously, cuz there's no way something is completely and totally beyond any form of praise and it's very unlikely that something is completely devoid of any sort of hiccups what so ever.  

[Ghost Lightning]

Filament wrote...

10 need not connote perfection. I could give something a 10 if I just thought it was the best of the best, even if flawed. It is why numeric ratings systems as an aggregate are useless, but as long as you can justify such a score to anyone who might be viewing your rating/review so that they can apply a little critical thinking to understand how it would apply to their own personal 'rating system,' then there's nothing wrong with using entirely subjective determinations like that.

Literally could not have said it better myself. Nicely put

Modifié par Ghost Lightning, 18 décembre 2012 - 02:18 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Ghost Lightning wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
But that doesn't make them go away. *You* merely IGNORE THEM.

Which is why I stand by my claim that scores of perfection are garbage.
Objectivity lies in not ignoring anything - neither the good parts or the flaws.

That's true, but then again there really is no objective definition for what is good or bad in a work of fiction. For example, a series may have very fast pacing, but whether the pacing is a good or bad thing is totally dependant on the viewers preference. Like, when I say I ignore negatives, I really mean that I honetly can't see any.

While it's true that perfect objectivity is impossible, there are degrees to it and it souldn't stop one from striving for it.
When you're too enamoured in a show/game/whatever, you become blind to it's flaws. It's far too common and we see it happen ALL THE TIME. You know what they say about fanboys/fangirls..

Which is why such extreemes never look good. In reality, most things are average and don't gravitate too far from it - whish is why I'm hesitant to even give a score of 9 (which is VERY high for me) Take a look at metacritic for example, and all those haters who spew out 0 and 1's and all those fanboys who give out 10/10's.


If you want to rate anything with any degree of objectivity, you must learn to hate what you love. To distance youself from it and step into the shoes of a hater. To listen to every critique other people mention and expore it in detail, to see if there is merit in it. (haters can be every bit as unreasonable and blind as fanboys)

In general I write down multiple scores - my own subjective preference (first impression) and then a score I feel is more likely to be objectively correct (after carefull deliberations), then I go into full-hate mode and list every single thing that bothers me. Then I can create a more complete picture and from an aggregate score.

It is funny how even when you're a fan of a show, you can appear as a hater to other fan simply because you are far more aware of the flaws.

In truth I would preferer a verbal score (average, above agerage, etc..) or at least a RANGE (with a minimum difference of 2 or 3).

The thing is  - when people go looking for ratings, they are either looking for as objective rating as possible, they hunt for information (because they want to know if the show is good or not) OR they go looking for vindication of their pre-established oppinions.
I for my part want to help the first group as much as possible.

[Lotion Soronarr]

@RedArmyShogun:

I prefer the full version:

[eroeru]

 Very sensible post there, Soronnar (I guess the world really is coming to an end)!

[RedArmyShogun]

@the Lotion it goes on the skin ughh.....

Yeah.

I like the "I wake up and realize I have to deal with people" As thats totally how I feel most mornings and toward most of the human race.

[eroeru]

Though there's still a problem with your initial post about 10's - why even have this rating if it cannot be used?

[Lotion Soronarr]

To mark there is always soemthing better?

but agian - I said I would prefer a descriptional rating raather than numeric

[Ghost Lightning]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

To mark there is always soemthing better?

but agian - I said I would prefer a descriptional rating raather than numeric

This I agree with. Like filament said, as long as you actually justify the rating you give something it makes more sense. Like if you just give out 1/10 and 10/10 and your reasoning is "it sucks" or "it's the best ever" then it really isn't a good idea to take those review seiously if you want something that accurately represents the quality of a work. But if someone goes into actual detail on what makes something worthy of a 10/10 or abysmal enough for a 1/10, even if the scores seem unrealistic, at least you can see the justification behind them and understand the resaoning. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

Yes, but the score still remains.

With a natural scoring system there is no need to explain it.
Average is average, aboove average is above average.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 18 décembre 2012 - 07:53 .

[Some Geth]

Filament wrote...

10 need not connote perfection. I could give something a 10 if I just thought it was the best of the best, even if flawed. It is why numeric ratings systems as an aggregate are useless, but as long as you can justify such a score to anyone who might be viewing your rating/review so that they can apply a little critical thinking to understand how it would apply to their own personal 'rating system,' then there's nothing wrong with using entirely subjective determinations like that.

edit* whoops, left out a very important word there.

One Piece and HxH both get 10 out of 10 if you just go by shonen manga.

Modifié par Some Geth, 18 décembre 2012 - 08:33 .

[eroeru]

^ Even with the lazy art-work of HxH?

[Some Geth]

Yes... I mean the volumes fix the art anyway.

Modifié par Some Geth, 18 décembre 2012 - 08:21 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Some Geth wrote...
One Piece and HxH both get 10 out of 10 if you just go by shonen manga.

Only by blinded fanboys.