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[Mr.House]

Don't see why people here pester Clones about buying the Deen's version of F/SN.

 

Hardly that bad of an anime as the general likes to make it, plus I find it better than Fate route in the VN, even if the show was a poor amalgamation of all the three routes. At best it is a mediocre show and adaptation on an already poor story. 

 

What I do judge however is buying it and not watching it. You should do that, Clones. 

No, DEENs Stay Night is bad, very bad. For several reasons.

 

First art and animation. First I don't want to hear the "it was 2006" excuse, it's a crappy excuse. The art and animation is ****, there's no way around it. Half the characters look extremely weird, awkward or hardly resemble the character except for their clothing. It also gets very sloppy and just shows how low DEENs budget was.

 

Shirous characterization, the big issue with the show. Yes in the Fate route in the Vn Fate SHirou was sexist  and a giant idiot, he still however was complex and all DEEN did was make his sexist nature and protecting Saber obsession even worse. DEENS Shirou is why so many non-VN readers **** on the character, many people who have watched UBW by Ufotable are enjoying the characters unlike DEENs adaption, but the point still stands that DEENs adaption of Shirou did a massive number on his integrity of a character and give a massive false perception of the character.

 

Awkwardly putting  UBW and HF content into the route, just no... If you want to add stuff, then add stuff, just don't re-use content from the other routes that simply don't make sense to be there. It's the same with Archer and Berserkers fight which makes no sense as Archer was unable to use UBW in the fate route because his injury from Saber was still to grave, along with the fact that by adding UBW to that fight, they made him only take 5 lives instead of 6 lives which outright gives people who have not read the VN the wrong picture and start to think UBW is weak(when it's on the contrary big time)

 

Berserker was really screwed up, while Ufotable did make some mistakes, the one thing they succeeded big time at is his speed and in DEENS show, Berserker is simply too slow. You might think this is a small complaint but it's not as Berserkers speed despite his size was one oft he massive issues the group had to deal with.

 

Deens Stay Night gives non readers the wrong impression along with its horrible production quality, horrible use of the source material and messing up several characters and giving people the wrong impression.

[Some Geth]

Ah. Those are common.

With Western fans most of all.

 

But yeah the Freeza arc and Cell arc for that matter were not planned to be the ending.

[Some Geth]

I am actually fine with kid Trunks and Goten.

 

They feel more like Dragon Ball characters.

 

And Gotenks is great.

[Puzzlewell]

Sim: I'm already going to be dividing my brain power between Isi and you once that point hits and I pretty much planned that I'd work some form of a novel for Chewin too here so needless to say, there's going to be a lot of distilled books. But when that time comes, I'll obviously check with you first before wall of texting you. As much as I love me some mental stimulation, I'm not about to overwhelm folks with all my words when they aren't in the mood for it.

 

Just have to get my brain to cooperate again. A steady dose of stress doesn't quite lend itself to giving me the brain power the series deserves, if that makes sense at all.

[CrazyRah]

No, DEENs Stay Night is bad, very bad. For several reasons.

 

First art and animation. First I don't want to hear the "it was 2006" excuse, it's a crappy excuse. The art and animation is ****, there's no way around it. Half the characters look extremely weird, awkward or hardly resemble the character except for their clothing. It also gets very sloppy and just shows how low DEENs budget was.

 

Shirous characterization, the big issue with the show. Yes in the Fate route in the Vn Fate SHirou was sexist  and a giant idiot, he still however was complex and all DEEN did was make his sexist nature and protecting Saber obsession even worse. DEENS Shirou is why so many non-VN readers **** on the character, many people who have watched UBW by Ufotable are enjoying the characters unlike DEENs adaption, but the point still stands that DEENs adaption of Shirou did a massive number on his integrity of a character and give a massive false perception of the character.

 

Awkwardly putting  UBW and HF content into the route, just no... If you want to add stuff, then add stuff, just don't re-use content from the other routes that simply don't make sense to be there. It's the same with Archer and Berserkers fight which makes no sense as Archer was unable to use UBW in the fate route because his injury from Saber was still to grave, along with the fact that by adding UBW to that fight, they made him only take 5 lives instead of 6 lives which outright gives people who have not read the VN the wrong picture and start to think UBW is weak(when it's on the contrary big time)

 

Berserker was really screwed up, while Ufotable did make some mistakes, the one thing they succeeded big time at is his speed and in DEENS show, Berserker is simply too slow. You might think this is a small complaint but it's not as Berserkers speed despite his size was one oft he massive issues the group had to deal with.

 

Deens Stay Night gives non readers the wrong impression along with its horrible production quality, horrible use of the source material and messing up several characters and giving people the wrong impression.

 

Once again, very well put!

[Some Geth]

Just have to get my brain to cooperate again. A steady dose of stress doesn't quite lend itself to giving me the brain power the series deserves, if that makes sense at all.

Watch some Kamen Rider and Super Sentai.

 

The hot guys will help you feel better.

 

Trust me.

[TheClonesLegacy]

I am actually fine with kid Trunks and Goten.

 

They feel more like Dragon Ball characters.

 

And Gotenks is great.

Meh.

I just don't like kids.
Especially in anime.

Horrible.

[Some Geth]

This series started with a kid main character.

 

And he is great too.

 

He to get a feel on you to see if you had balls or not.

 

Son Goku.

 

Best kid.

[Liamv2]

Kid characters are good when well written. They are ****** unbearable when written poorly though.

[TheClonesLegacy]

This series started with a kid main character.

 

And he is great too.

Kid Goku is fine.

 

But by Goten and Kid Trunks' time, that should be abolished.

Especially because the Buu Sagas padding is Gokus insistence someone other than him should kill Buu. So he settles on Gotenks.

Who plays around with Super Buu instead of just putting him down.

Same with Mystic Gohan.

 

In short. Goku just do your damn job.

[Some Geth]

He let them have fun too.

 

That's how Goku rolls.

[CrazyRah]

Kid characters are good when well written. They are ****** unbearable when written poorly though.

 

So very much this. Well written kid characters are really quite awesome but weak or even badly written are just the worst of the worst

[TheClonesLegacy]

He let them have fun too.

 

That's how Goku rolls.

Gohan has no excuse. He learned nothing from Cell.

You don't make your omnicidal enemies suffer.

You kill them. Especially when you have them outmatched.

 

I'm not looking forward to the Buu saga. Except maybe for Android 18 to extort Mr. Satan.

That's hot.

[Some Geth]

He did what his dad would want him to do.

 

Letting the kids have some fun!

[TheChris92]

Kid Trunks is voiced by Laura Bailey -- He is thus automatically excused.

[TheClonesLegacy]

He did what his dad would want him to do.

 

Letting the kids have some fun!

If only Granpappy Bardock was around.

He wouldn't put up with this.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Watched the Battle of the Gods movie, and it was awesome!

 

Beerus is certainly a refreshing villain in the DBZ universe and was certainly the highlight in the movie for me. In addition to it featuring some top notch humor with the characters along with the battles (though rather few in my taste) managed to prove entertaining, I got everything and more than what I expected from a DBZ movie and I am satisfied.

 

Think I'll have to grab the Xenoverse game earlier than I expected, cause I am hungry for some more DBZ.

 

I got it last year, but forgot to watch it!

 

It's the 2013 DBZ movie with that ancient Egypt deity looking villain.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Might as well watch this one Clones

 

 

All about 'dat DBZ parody

 

Hijikata kicked Brieza's ass as I remember!

[Chewin]

LOTGH and Berserk? Sure

 

But you'll have a nicer time with Chewin.

 

He can write you guides as well as books as well as encyclopaedias that surpass the works of Machiavelli

 

With beeeewbs too.

 

Flatterer.

 

 

 

*snip*

 

And here I was thinking of going early into bed. Fair enough, I'm game.

 

In terms of art and animation; I disagree, the art is not as horrendous as you make it. I would personally consider F/SN's quality to be overall slightly above average for its time (yes House, you have to take these aspects into consideration), though never would I think of it as truly great either. Deen's version has some noteworthy moments such as the duel between Saber and Assassin and Archer vs Berserk, which does show some pretty slick-looking and fast-paced swordplay. While certainly there are some bad animation as well (such as in the one with Saber and the skeletons and the horrible CGI dragon). There is an occasional inconsistency to the quality of the animation that can be disappointing at times, but regardless it works more often than it doesn't within the show, and what the artwork does succeed at is effectively creating and portraying the dark atmosphere that F/SN is about.

 

No, Shirou is an idiot and terrible in both versions. He is far from complex, but his ideals is explored better and is not as sexist as he is in the VN. Ironically while the inclusion of the three routes into one is a mess in terms of narrative, it does complement itself when it comes to character development. The problem with the VN is that a characters don't receive as much attention as they should is due to some prolific narrative problems. Namely, it spends a considerable amount of time just having the characters indulge in silly antics while having Shirou listening to tedious lectures from Tohsaka in between. While the show is not entirely devoid from this, it at least has the fortune of cutting out the worst of the Fate routes off beat conversations and doesn't cross the line into being unequivocally bad as the VN. While hardly great in its delivery (and as I said, it is a poor adaptation on an already poor story), Saber's tragic past is facilitated better, as well as Shirou's stubborn determination is facilitated better within the framework of the narrative since it puts them more on focus throughout the story, instead of having it pushed to the very last few days in the VN and instead have the other days focused on more unnecessary juvenile moments. Since the show in parts from the other routes, it gives an opportunity to further delve into other contenders in the War, which the Fate route ignores completely (Caster is a primary example here). Again, it is hardly great in the show but not as bad when one compares it to the Fate route.

 

Also I don't personally think one can judge a individuals ability with the context of having meta knowledge of someone's abilities. No, you have to judge it within the merits of what the narrative establishes. Case in point with Archer--his abilities from the viewers perspective is that he was able to kill Berserk 5 times. By having the story already establish that Berserk is a formidable foe and that Archer is weakened, he still managed to accomplish that. That already speaks volumes of Archer's ability. If it completely wrong from the source material, then that makes it a bad adaptation, but not bad based on an story that holds on its own. Also correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this exactly how it went within the Fate route, no?

 

For Deen's F/SN, some of the alterations worked well, others were questionable. However, as I have time and time again stated I find it important to judge works on their own merits independent of whether they follow their source material, and while I would agree that the anime doesn't live up to the quality of the VN, it is still an enjoyable series for what it is. Fate route is quite poor, but at least Deen made the story a bit less so with what they managed to accomplish. 

 

 

Sim: I'm already going to be dividing my brain power between Isi and you once that point hits and I pretty much planned that I'd work some form of a novel for Chewin too here so needless to say, there's going to be a lot of distilled books. But when that time comes, I'll obviously check with you first before wall of texting you. As much as I love me some mental stimulation, I'm not about to overwhelm folks with all my words when they aren't in the mood for it.

 

Just have to get my brain to cooperate again. A steady dose of stress doesn't quite lend itself to giving me the brain power the series deserves, if that makes sense at all.

 

Looking forward to it.

[Milan92]

Watching Gintama episode 83. This show really gets beter with each episode.

The Shogun game xD

[Paragon Gabriel]

No, DEENs Stay Night is bad, very bad. For several reasons.
 
First art and animation. First I don't want to hear the "it was 2006" excuse, it's a crappy excuse. The art and animation is ****, there's no way around it. Half the characters look extremely weird, awkward or hardly resemble the character except for their clothing. It also gets very sloppy and just shows how low DEENs budget was.
 
Shirous characterization, the big issue with the show. Yes in the Fate route in the Vn Fate SHirou was sexist  and a giant idiot, he still however was complex and all DEEN did was make his sexist nature and protecting Saber obsession even worse. DEENS Shirou is why so many non-VN readers **** on the character, many people who have watched UBW by Ufotable are enjoying the characters unlike DEENs adaption, but the point still stands that DEENs adaption of Shirou did a massive number on his integrity of a character and give a massive false perception of the character.
 
Awkwardly putting  UBW and HF content into the route, just no... If you want to add stuff, then add stuff, just don't re-use content from the other routes that simply don't make sense to be there. It's the same with Archer and Berserkers fight which makes no sense as Archer was unable to use UBW in the fate route because his injury from Saber was still to grave, along with the fact that by adding UBW to that fight, they made him only take 5 lives instead of 6 lives which outright gives people who have not read the VN the wrong picture and start to think UBW is weak(when it's on the contrary big time)
 
Berserker was really screwed up, while Ufotable did make some mistakes, the one thing they succeeded big time at is his speed and in DEENS show, Berserker is simply too slow. You might think this is a small complaint but it's not as Berserkers speed despite his size was one oft he massive issues the group had to deal with.
 
Deens Stay Night gives non readers the wrong impression along with its horrible production quality, horrible use of the source material and messing up several characters and giving people the wrong impression.

Sorry House, but I have to disagree.

I mean, Seen is faaaar from good but really when it comes as a standalone anime, F/SN does more good than bad. I can understand that it is hard to take it seriously, (VN reader bias and all that) and why I bare no love for the Seen, I would rather watch it then ever read the Fate route. I mean, Caster is just terrible, but at least she is a character in the anime. And Sensei doesn't even make a frikkin appearance in the Fate route!

Archer and Berserk is not fair though, I mean how are anime viewers supposed to know stuff about their abilities? Sure, the anime doesn't do them justice, but one can't really judge a show with the VN at the side if you ask me.

[CrazyRah]

Fate DEEN got the honour being one of 3 shows that I've dropped because I found it so unbearable to watch that even I couldn't convince myself to waste that time.

 

While I see and understand why others think otherwise that's not in any shape going to stop me from considering it a very bad anime

[Hellion Rex]

Having an absolute crap day mentally.

 

Here's hoping Death Parade can cheer me up tomorrow.

[CrazyRah]

Having an absolute crap day mentally.

 

Here's hoping Death Parade can cheer me up tomorrow.

 

That sucks to hear but a show that has spent a great deal on the darkness of the human soul might not be the best thing to cheer you up but it's worth a shot!

[Paragon Gabriel]

And Chewin once again puts it eloquently! Yeah, agree with you 100%!