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@eroerru You should try the One Piece manga like I keep telling you to do, but if you want high class art you should go for reading my top 5 list soon.


There is noting high class art about your top 5, just saying. But of course you can have your opinion. If you think yout top 5 is high class art, than you are free to have that opinion. But don't make it sounds as if it's fact. Others might not agree with you. I for one do not think any single series of your top 5 are "high class art".

Also, I study at an art university, so I might have a different view on art and what is "high class art" than you.

When you talk about "high class art", I assume you just want to say you think the art in that piece/series is really good, right? You're not talking about actual High Art are you? Because manga certainly isn't High Art, it's Pop Art.

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^^

Nah, that's just an arbitrary notion/saying. Nothing bad with that, I think.

However, "don't say this" does feel like forum-overused censorship. :P

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Luc0s wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

@eroerru You should try the One Piece manga like I keep telling you to do, but if you want high class art you should go for reading my top 5 list soon.


There is noting high class art about your top 5, just saying. But of course you can have your opinion. If you think yout top 5 is high class art, than you are free to have that opinion. But don't make it sounds as if it's fact. Others might not agree with you. I for one do not think any single series of your top 5 are "high class art".

Also, I study at an art university, so I might have a different view on art and what is "high class art" than you.

When you talk about "high class art", I assume you just want to say you think the art in that piece/series is really good, right? You're not talking about actual High Art are you? Because manga certainly isn't High Art, it's Pop Art.

Naw bro, my top 5 is high class art from the stories to the themes to the art for them.B)

It's not like you know what I am talking about anyway, you have not read any of my top 5.

Also I will now end this post with an opinion and a fact, the opinion is that manga can be High Art as well as Pop Art and the fact is that Nausicaä is the best manga ever.

And if you don't care for what I just said, read what eroeru said.=]

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Nausicaa is really very good. A little weird. I think the animated version captures the written one better than Akira does. Certainly better than Appleseed ever has.

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Nausicaa is really very good. A little weird. I think the animated version captures the written one better than Akira does. Certainly better than Appleseed ever has.

I don't like the movie one that much, it is both dated and suffers dramatically by comparison to the manga. I can't take it seriously in the first place. The worst part is Kushana, it's bad enough that she's such a weak comparison to the manga her, but her character here is dumb to begin with. I mean what the f*ck? She had a grudge against bugs?? Nauiscaa herself is boring as well. She's too perfect and innocent. Where's the Nausicaa that commands the God Warrior to murder an organic structure god thing after having a last supper with her worm handler disciples who she sort of lies to in telling them to pass down her messiah like wisdom of dooming the human race to certain extinction to avoid spiraling down the path of insane hubristic self-mutation. Also Namulith is not in it lol. Frankly they aren't even related since they share virtually different everything but appearance.

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I'm looking forward to the new Berserk movies. I just wonder how long it will take for them to dub it.

I also need to watch the anime, from what I hear it's really good. I also caught an episode of it and it seemed pretty good.

I don't know why, but I can't watch Spirited Away, but I can watch Princess Mononoke just fine.

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Also I will now end this post with an opinion and a fact, the opinion is that manga can be High Art as well as Pop Art and the fact is that Nausicaä is the best manga ever.

And if you don't care for what I just said, read what eroeru said.=]



Those are actually just 2 opinions, neither are fact. :) But I respect your opinions. 

I'm not sure what I think is the best manga ever. I've read plenty of manga in the past but I don't think any of the manga I've read is good enough to be considered "best manga ever". It all comes down to personal opinion in the end anyway. But from what I've read, I think Berserk an Trigun are among the best.

I'm more fan of western graphic-novels than manga anway. I think western graphic-novels are better. No manga is as good as Watchmen. Watchmen is the best, ever. V for Vendetta is also among the best. I also greatly enjoy eveyrthing from Deadpool and Scott Pilgrim is just really funny.


And no, manga really isn't high culture art, it's low culture art / pop culture art per definition, always has been. Manga is mass-produced and it's very popular among the masses and common folks, that makes it per definition low culture art.

HIgh culture art should not be confused with fine art, which manga certainly is. Manga is fine art no doubt.

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eroeru wrote...

^^

Nah, that's just an arbitrary notion/saying. Nothing bad with that, I think.

However, "don't say this" does feel like forum-overused censorship. :P


I see. It just annoys the hell out of me when someone tries to push their favorite [insert something here] as if it's factually the best.

"I like it, therefor it must be really good" or "these are my favorites, therefor they are the best", that's how Some Geth makes it sound like.

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Yeah I don't do that, I use a objective point of view for why Nausicaä is the best manga, just like how Watchmen is the best comic from the west.

It just helps that I also like them.B)

And the boundary between high culture and low culture has blurred a lot in today's world, imo.

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And the boundary between high culture and low culture has blurred a lot in today's world, imo.


Yeah that is certainly true. More like, high culture pretty much died because it was a form of elitism. Our current western society seems to be a bit anti-elitism. Besides, everything is about money these days and low culture art is a much easier way for making money than high culture art. Heck, most fine artists only got rich AFTER they died. Damn, the irony.

Anyway, in this time and era, video-games as a new artform certainly are interesting. This is an exiting time to be a video-game designer (or video-game design student, which I am).

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 Bye the way, I know this is an anime and manga discussion thread, but I'd like to talk a bit about Japanese culture in general.

Which of you listens to Japanese music, or used to listen to Japanese music?

I used to listen to j-rock and j-metal a lot when I was 17 or 18 years old. Heck, during that time I even dressed up visual-kei style, with haircut and everything.

I haven't really listened to any more j-rock or j-metal ever since though. I'm 23 years old now and my current music libraby is 80% scandinavian metal and 20% classical music. :P

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Luc0s wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

And the boundary between high culture and low culture has blurred a lot in today's world, imo.


Yeah that is certainly true. More like, high culture pretty much died because it was a form of elitism. Our current western society seems to be a bit anti-elitism. Besides, everything is about money these days and low culture art is a much easier way for making money than high culture art. Heck, most fine artists only got rich AFTER they died. Damn, the irony.

Anyway, in this time and era, video-games as a new artform certainly are interesting. This is an exiting time to be a video-game designer (or video-game design student, which I am).

Well good luck in the video game world of art, me? I am going to write good old books and maybe some other things(shows, movies, even comic/games if I can). And hope I can mix high and low culture well, without the high art part dying.

if all else fails... say hello to me being a history teacher.

Anyway to get this back on topic again, a bit of old news, the Hunter x Hunter manga is going on hiatus again. So it's time for this vid again!
 

:lol:

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It seems a LOT of people on BSN are self-proclaimed writers or want to become writers.


Anyway, did/do you ever listen to Japanese music, Some Geth? J-rock or J-metal perhaps?

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It seems a LOT of people on BSN are self-proclaimed writers or want to become writers.


Anyway, did/do you ever listen to Japanese music, Some Geth? J-rock or J-metal perhaps?

More like everyone on the internet.:P

As for Japanese music? well J-rock is just a big copy of rock music from the west, not that it makes it bad, cuz they are good at it but they have little room for evolving J-rock.

J-metal comes off the same but has an "odd" feel that keeps it from being a 100% copy of west-metal, kind of hard to get the right words for it.:?

Now for what I like? Yeah some J-rock/metal/hip-hop here and there. As of now it's kind of silly but old-school anime type theme songs have been what I keep going back for. And I am not talking about "over-the-top cute" ones,I am talking about real "Anime" themes like this.
 

If only cuz singers like Jam Project really love music and have fun with it.

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As for Japanese music? well J-rock is just a big copy of rock music from the west, not that it makes it bad, cuz they are good at it but they have little room for evolving J-rock.

J-metal comes off the same but has an "odd" feel that keeps it from being a 100% copy of west-metal, kind of hard to get the right words for it.:?

Now for what I like? Yeah some J-rock/metal/hip-hop here and there. As of now it's kind of silly but old-school anime type theme songs have been what I keep going back for. And I am not talking about "over-the-top cute" ones,I am talking about real "Anime" themes like this.
 

If only cuz singers like Jam Project really love music and have fun with it.


J-rock, or Visual-Kei to be more precisely, is not a copy of western rock music, Visual-kei is in fact a sub-genre of western glam-metal and gothic-rock.

Visual-Kei is heavily inspired from 70's and 80's bands such as Mötly Crüe and of course the imfamous KISS, but it certainly isn't a direct copy from those bands.

Look here to see how J-rock really fits into the whole heavy metal stream: mapofmetal.com

Anyway, Visual-Kei has gone a long way since it originated. Today's Visual bands sound nothing like the original Visual bands at all.

I mean just compare the old Dir en Grey to the new Dir en Grey, Big difference.

I love the new Dir en Grey by the way. To me it sounds a little like technical deathcore, but much more original.

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Hate anime now, loved anime when i was younger. Watched Pokemon, Digimon, Bayblades, some tv
show where robots have medallions in their backs, Chin Chan and Oban Star Racer before going to school.

Now i can't stand it. It's just...too over the top for me, i prefer my shows to atleast border along some sort of realism.

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^^ You've ever tried anime that is NOT marketed towards kids?
Cause the ones you listed aren't in the watch-list of any mature anime-fan (unless they have some special interest in it).

Take Texhnolyze for instance.

There's loads of different genres, and very many animes in each (for a  dystopian feel like in Texhnolyze, you get Series Experiments Lain, Blame! etc).

Or take The Girl Who Leapt Through Time. Also, Ghost in the Shell is always a good recommendation, and the best cyberpunk series I've seen (Blade Runner and maybe a few others beat it, if movies are to be accounted).
Or if Japanese puts you off, there's always some or other good dub. Like Cowboy Bebop (much recommended) and Haruhi.
But it is of course best to go with subs anyway - westeners usually ruin japanese shows by bad bad over-dubbing.

Now this is usual anime (not the stuff you see from kids'-TV, but
stuff that's actually viewed as mature anime, and very popular at that)

These examples don't encompass even a tiny bit of the variety of genres, themes and mature anime in overall - but these were the ones I'd like to show anyone who claims "I don't like Pokemon/Beyblade/whatever, thus I don't like anime".

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Japanese music?

I like the campy insanity kind. (2:49)

Touhou is mezmerizing.

And extatic.

By the way, has anyone seen this? He had me at "annihilate everything that exists!"...

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 Wow eroeru, that music is crazy. Reminds me of this crazy commercial (crazy Japanese are crazy).

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Oh there's much more where that came from. Namely, Nico Nico Douga.

About Hatsune Miku... You do know she is a computer program (that sings)?

That is not an actual commercial, this is what makes it great, in fact. :)

http://knowyourmeme....po-pi-po-ぽっぴっぽー

Anyway, I discovered Nico Nico Douga, the Japanese equivalent for (crazy creative) youtube last autumn, and started learning japanese right now - partly because I want to understand it, and get to navigate in Nico Nico. :)

Edit: enjoy: 
 

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 But in a relatively more serious note, I can say I thoroughly enjoy anime OP's and ED's. Yoko Kanno in particular. :)

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Yeah I'm familiar with vocaloids, incluidng Hatsune Miku, the most famous vocaloid.

That reminds me of that show based on a vocaloid character. I forgot the name. it was about a robotic android girl, created to rule over humanity. She looked like a vocaloid, but completely metallic and she was evil. Her name was Drossel (Doroseru). It was incredibly funny.

Edit: FOUND IT!

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Here's some of the worst shows that I've watched if any of you feel like raping your sanity.

Agitated Screams of Maggots <--- disturbing
Issho ni Sleeping: Sleeping with Hinako <--- wtf
6 Angels
Apocalypse Zero
Mars of Destruction
Rio: Rainbow Gate!
Cosprayers
Zettai Shougeki: Platonic Heart
Tenkuu Danzato Skelter Heaven

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Luc0s wrote...

Yeah I'm familiar with vocaloids, incluidng Hatsune Miku, the most famous vocaloid.

That reminds me of that show based on a vocaloid character. I forgot the name. it was about a robotic android girl, created to rule over humanity. She looked like a vocaloid, but completely metallic and she was evil. Her name was Drossel (Doroseru). It was incredibly funny.

Edit: FOUND IT!


Wow. And it's a Disney show?? Pretty cool. (Y)

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I'm looking forward to the new Berserk movies. I just wonder how long it will take for them to dub it.

I also need to watch the anime, from what I hear it's really good. I also caught an episode of it and it seemed pretty good.

I don't know why, but I can't watch Spirited Away, but I can watch Princess Mononoke just fine.


Have you tried watching anime subbed? For many a series it makes a world of difference - and the authenticity and quality of the translations are ALWAYS better in subs. ;)