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[RPGamer13]

The subtitles go by too fast and it just really breaks it up having to pause it so much. Also, I can't read AND see all the action on the screen. Plus, it's not all that bad.

My favorite voice actors:
Mary Elizabeth McGlynn
Gwedoline Yeo
Michelle Ruff
Kirk Thornton
Cam Clarke
Wendee Lee
Cindy Robinson
Jennifer Hale
Steve Blum
Debi Mae West
Derek Stephen Prince
Jamieson Price
Michael McConnohie
Richard Cansino
Megan Hollingshead
Colleen O'Shaughnessey
Stephanie Sheh
Dave Wittenberg
Liam O'Brien
Danielle Judovits
David Lodge
Quinton Flynn
Kari Wahlgren
Lex Lang
Sam Riegel
Steve Kramer
Tara Platt
Crispin Freeman (He made Albedo, without him the character is not the same)
Jodi Benson
Laura Bailey
Kim Mai Guest
Johnny Yong Bosch
Lia Sergeant
Michael Lindsay
Michael Sorich
JB Blanc
Doug Erholtz
Kim Strauss
Jessica Straus
Travis Willingham
Patrick Seitz
Mona Marshall
Wally Wingert
Troy Baker
Beau Billingslea
Barbara Goodson
Susan Dalian
Karen Strassman
Dan Woren
Bridget Hoffman
Sandy Fox
Dorothy Elias-Fahn
Carrie Savage
Laura Bailey
Grey Delisle
Kirby Morrow
Hynden Walch
Cree Summer


There's more, but that list should suffice.

[Megaton_Hope]

Some Geth wrote...

Megaton_Hope wrote...

Nausicaa is really very good. A little weird. I think the animated version captures the written one better than Akira does. Certainly better than Appleseed ever has.

I don't like the movie one that much, it is both dated and suffers dramatically by comparison to the manga. I can't take it seriously in the first place. The worst part is Kushana, it's bad enough that she's such a weak comparison to the manga her, but her character here is dumb to begin with. I mean what the f*ck? She had a grudge against bugs?? Nauiscaa herself is boring as well. She's too perfect and innocent. Where's the Nausicaa that commands the God Warrior to murder an organic structure god thing after having a last supper with her worm handler disciples who she sort of lies to in telling them to pass down her messiah like wisdom of dooming the human race to certain extinction to avoid spiraling down the path of insane hubristic self-mutation. Also Namulith is not in it lol. Frankly they aren't even related since they share virtually different everything but appearance.

I don't think it's dated.

Now, Dominion Tank Police, THAT'S dated. (Although ironically, the old one is more watchable than "New Dominion.")

Or Dirty Pair, that's pretty dated.

[eroeru]

@RPGamer13

But how do you feel about missing out on some shows, due to bad voice acting?

Like Neon Genesis Evangelion for example. I would never be able to withstand the whining of Shinji in the dub. xD

Modifié par eroeru, 26 mars 2012 - 09:00 .

[Clover Rider]

eroeru wrote...

@RPGamer13

But how do you feel about missing out on some shows, due to bad voice acting?

Like Neon Genesis Evangelion for example. I would never be able to withstand the whining of Shinji in the dub. xD

Not all dubs are bad.

And then you have the fact that Shinji is "whining" in both Japanese and English, so both voice actors did get it right.

Translation is an art that most people do get wrong, from dubbing to subbing you can never get a perfect translation. BUT! you can get it close if you know what the original was going for like Shinji's "whining", also knowing Japanese can help.

I also think people who say subs are too "fast" are funny.

Modifié par Some Geth, 26 mars 2012 - 04:11 .

[eroeru]

^^ Yup, well I gave two recommendations on the previous page about dubs that are ok. But they're still not as authentic.

That in itself wouldn't be SO bad, if the dub would be done well. In NGE, it is NOT well done, even you must agree on that.

And it's a helluva lot of anime's that have horrible dubs (Dragon Ball comes to mind... and many more). SO my question was rather that will he forsake those shows, or try them in subs.

[eroeru]

Besides, Shinji's whining in the dub really is annoying whining, whilst in Japanese, the voice actor left it more intelligent-like. Like half-screaming. Or letting his thoughts out, in fear.

Anyway, western dubbers are nothing, compared to Japanese VA's.

Besides, it's good for your reading skills to read subs, and you can easily make it quick enough that you read it in a moment, and get to see all that's going on. Hearing dubs degrades the quality (always), and doesn't give you any progress in anything... neither in learning Japanese, or reading.

Modifié par eroeru, 26 mars 2012 - 04:51 .

[Clover Rider]

Eva's dub was not the "best" sure but it was one of the "best" when it came out, if you know even a bit of anime dub history. It's hard to find new anime shows that have bad dubs, nowadays.

To the Japanese, Shinji's whining is annoying whining, just like in the dub.

Now that is not to say which voice actor is better because I do think Ogata is better but Spencer did get what they were going for with Shinji's character.

What about the Rebuild movies? they have great dubs but they still have Shinji's dub voice actor in them.

And it is kind of arrogant to say western dubbers(I guess you mean voice actors?) are nothing, compared to Japanese voice actors. Or that hearing dubs degrades the quality.

Modifié par Some Geth, 26 mars 2012 - 05:13 .

[eroeru]

Yup, it's kinda arrogant, and a bit of an overstatement.

But still, I'm amazed how anyone can neglect the original.

[Clover Rider]

eroeru wrote...

Yup, it's kinda arrogant, and a bit of an overstatement.

But still, I'm amazed how anyone can neglect the original.

Yeah I don't get that, unless the original is somehow really bad.

And since we were just talking about Eva's dub I feel the need to post this.

 

Also the "congratulations" part really does show the worst of the dub, was the small side-characters.

Still Spike's rant always gets me.:happy:

Modifié par Some Geth, 26 mars 2012 - 06:44 .

[eroeru]

^^ Damn that's hilarious. (YYY) 

And it's actually not so bad. I guess it got quirkier and unnatural-like more in the battle-scenes, intimate scenes and such.

But that part before the rant was really pretty decent, save one or another secondary character. 

Modifié par eroeru, 26 mars 2012 - 07:49 .

[Clover Rider]

eroeru wrote...

^^ Damn that's hilarious. (YYY) 

And it's actually not so bad. I guess it got quirkier and unnatural-like more in the battle-scenes, intimate scenes and such.

But that part before the rant was really pretty decent, save one or another secondary character. 

Yeah that's the thing about the dub in my view, it gets better as you go along. Then by The End of Evangelion you could even say it's a good dub.

And when Funimation took over the dubbing with the Rebuild moves, Eva got a great dub for the first time. Shinji and Misato were great even if they still had the same voice actors from the old dub.

Makes me wonder when they get up to Asuka, if they will get Tiffany Grant back since she does work a lot with Funimation.

[eroeru]

Yup, Tiffany Grant is made for Asuka (or is it the other way around? ), as far as I've heard.

But about dubs - maybe it's a bit of a cultural thing. Where I live, the very lively american dub usually sounds very unintelligent-like, whilst the Japanese have more restraint in their voice-acting. But the restraint and hidden colors in the voice is absolutely a plus, no matter how much cultural implications play a role.

Modifié par eroeru, 26 mars 2012 - 09:48 .

[Megaton_Hope]

Shinji's supposed to be hysterical when he's whining, on account of how most of the time he behaves as if his emotions were dead to cover up for his years of social isolation and neglect.

I do think that English dubs have been improving by leaps and bounds lately. In the olden days, you couldn't find an English dub worth watching, ever. Cowboy Bebop kinda broke the mold there, only Edward was actually painfully annoying to listen to. And that's kind of in-character anyway.

[Clover Rider]

eroeru wrote...

Yup, Tiffany Grant is made for Asuka (or is it the other way around? ), as far as I've heard.

But about dubs - maybe it's a bit of a cultural thing. Where I live, the very lively american dub usually sounds very unintelligent-like, whilst the Japanese have more restraint in their voice-acting. But the restraint and hidden colors in the voice is absolutely a plus, no matter how much cultural implications play a role.

Not only was she made for the role but her German was much better than Miyamura's and somehow even better than Asuka's German voice actor. Then again German voice actors are very meh to me and Germans, believe it or not.

Yeah it can be a cultual thing, but some other stuff plays into it as well. So that's why something like Funimation makes their dub directors and writers watch every episode of whatever show they want to dub or are already dubbing.

So they never get something wrong again, like they did with Dragon Ball.

[eroeru]

Megaton_Hope wrote...

Shinji's supposed to be hysterical when he's whining, on account of how most of the time he behaves as if his emotions were dead to cover up for his years of social isolation and neglect.

I do think that English dubs have been improving by leaps and bounds lately. In the olden days, you couldn't find an English dub worth watching, ever. Cowboy Bebop kinda broke the mold there, only Edward was actually painfully annoying to listen to. And that's kind of in-character anyway.

Yeah, but in the dub I don't get the hysterical thing behind it. Whining is a lot different than personal struggles - but in the dub they don't seem as struggles, only as some meaningless bull**** whining.

But about anime in general - is it only me or are 3-minute animes getting a lot more popular? Like 5 years ago there weren't any, yet now there's a lot of those. When do they show them, anyway? Like in a specific hour where there's a bunch of these, or...?

[eroeru]

^^ That's a good show. Do let us know what you think of the ending.

[eroeru]

@Gurris

Are you set on finding out about the most horrendous pieces of garbage in anime history? Or are you just a tiny bit interested in these shows?

I for one quickly put those previous "recommendations" on my watching list. Hahaa...

[Megaton_Hope]

Well, with bad dubs, I watch body language more. Usually it's not hard to tell what a character's supposed to be feeling by the way they're drawn.

I've decided that THE WORST anime is Initial D. Picked it up at a video store once because it was cheap. Horrible. Street racing seemed like a good premise for a show, but...no.

Been reading the Nausicaa manga again, because I had forgotten the characters referred to above. It's one of those ones that's full of political machinations and intrigue - these are things that are difficult to convey in a feature film or less worth of time. That's why Akira makes so little sense - compressed six volumes of manga into a couple hours of cartoon.

[Darthlawsuit]

Anime is the only animated medium that actually has good storylines. Movies are too short and rushes. Harry potter should have been twice the length and incorporate everything in the book to be equal to anime. LOTR was epic but missing a lot from the books. Anime tends to have everything that is in the written version.

American tv:

A joke

Modifié par Darthlawsuit, 30 mars 2012 - 04:13 .

[Megaton_Hope]

Eh, there are some gems on American tv. Not always the ones (like Lost, ick) that people rave over. American cartoons are almost universally crap - especially lately, there's been a trend away from painstaking traditional animation and toward...well, anything a computer can make cheaper. The guys who made Kappa Mikey and Speed Racer: The Next Generation make me want to gouge out my eyeballs. Or maybe theirs, although that probably wouldn't improve their work any.

Avatar's pretty great, though. Of course, like Transformers or Batman the Animated Series, that was shopped out, the stories were written here and it was animated in Korea.

[Darthlawsuit]

The older transformers was decent. However they devolved into a very predictable pattern that killed them. No variety.

[Megaton_Hope]

Yeah, last Transformers I really enjoyed was Beast Wars. There were some other good computer-animated shows around that time, like Starship Troopers Roughneck Chronicles.

Armada was halfway watchable, but pretty crappy. The one that came immediately after it, with the "Terrorcons," was just garbage. Haven't improved since.