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[TheClonesLegacy]

Pretty much

I mean, are there really any adaptations that are 100% to the source material? I can understand the frustration, believe me I share the sentiment, but I stopped long ago believing that when you adapt something that you will get everything--it simply doesn't work.

Exactly. I just finished the game based on Afro Samurai, and by the time you fight Jinno/Kuma, Ninja Ninja just tells you "You think you know how this'll play out because you saw the TV show? Well this ain't the TV show."

Pretty much everything after that is different from the series. In fact the ending is way different (Closer to the manga) and I'd argue it's better.

UBW isn't just an adaption of the VN. It's also a sequel to the F/Z anime, which left alot of plot threads hanging. So changes are needed to accommodate that fact.

[Chewin]

Age has obviously affected you deeply if that's the case. I was one of the first in the thread to notice that, well behind the ones with VN experience prior.

But rest assured that I wont hold your slow mind against you in this case 

 

 

Guess congratulations are in order then.

 

Anyhow, up to 10 episodes of Brotherhood. The earlier episodes feel a tad more rushed compared to the original version. Almost feels like the producers went all "Look, people have already seen this once. Let's wrap them up fast and get to the good stuff where the previous anime diverged".

 

Not that I am complaining. It still works for the current show just fine.

[Milan92]

Either that or the previous version simply dragged things out

 

Remember that this one follows the manga more closely.

[Mr.House]

Either that or the previous version simply dragged things out

 

Remember that this one follows the manga more closely.

Dem 10 episodes of power ups.

[Paragon Gabriel]

UBW isn't just an adaption of the VN. It's also a sequel to the F/Z anime, which left alot of plot threads hanging. So changes are needed to accommodate that fact.

Precisely. I mean, I am not the biggest fan of Saber and I do think she gets too much attention (speaking here of Fate as a whole) but those changes they made (minus Berserk fight and Bridge scene) with Saber added the connection to Zero, which the VN lacked and as Chewin said, the show can stand on its own as an entertainment model in show industry which is vital.

[Mr.House]

Precisely. I mean, I am not the biggest fan of Saber and I do think she gets too much attention (speaking here of Fate as a whole) but those changes they made (minus Berserk fight and Bridge scene) with Saber added the connection to Zero, which the VN lacked and as Chewin said, the show can stand on its own as an entertainment model in show industry which is vital.

But most of Zeros unanswered questions are not answered in UBW. Everything for Saber was answered in Fate route and the grail, Kotomine and Sakura are all in HF. UBW was always about Shirou, Archer and Rin and their fight with Caster. In order to make UBW a "proper" contination of Zero you would have to add all that to UBW and that's imposable to do without harming the main conflict of UBW. They can probably add Saber(sadly so far they are doing a very bad job imo) but the other stuff won't work.

[Zeroth Angel]

I don't have a problem with an adaptation not being 100% faithful but Saber's role in the Berserker fight and her role at the bridge were kind of unnecessary.

 

Oh and a little bit more of Shirou monologue's would also help.

[Hellion Rex]

Anyhow, up to 10 episodes of Brotherhood. The earlier episodes feel a tad more rushed compared to the original version. Almost feels like the producers went all "Look, people have already seen this once. Let's wrap them up fast and get to the good stuff where the previous anime diverged".

 

Not that I am complaining. It still works for the current show just fine.

That

Spoiler

chimera

episode though.

[Hellion Rex]

I don't have a problem with an adaptation not being 100% faithful but Saber's role in the Berserker fight and her role at the bridge were kind of unnecessary.

What was "unnecessary" though? And what would we have substituted for it though to fill that gap in time?

 

I thought both were awesome as hell.

[Chewin]

Either that or the previous version simply dragged things out

 

Remember that this one follows the manga more closely.

 

Perhaps, though I don't personally feel so. I found that as an introduction to the series the original did a more stable work at utilizing "show and tell" methods to validate the narrative, and certainly builds up were a bit more powerful since it gave able time for the viewer to fully experience what Ed and Al were faced with. Brotherhood has cut most "arcs" into a single episode, while FMA had 2-3. E.g. the incident with Tucker was introduced, developed and concluded in a single episode, which worked fine enough for the show but I'd argue the original handled it better.

 

Of course, it is very likely that since I experienced the original first it had a more powerful experience for me, so it could easily be simply bias on my part. I don't personally think this is the case, but to really make a solid comparison I would have to watch both series side by side.

[Milan92]

Perhaps, though I don't personally feel so. I found that as an introduction to the series the original did a more stable work at utilizing "show and tell" methods to validate the narrative, and certainly builds up were a bit more powerful since it gave able time for the viewer to fully experience what Ed and Al were faced with. Brotherhood has cut most "arcs" into a single episode, while FMA had 2-3. E.g. the incident with Tucker was introduced, developed and concluded in a single episode, which worked fine enough for the show but I'd argue the original handled it better.

 

Of course, it is very likely that since I experienced the original first it had a more powerful experience for me, so it could easily be simply bias on my part. I don't personally think this is the case, but to really make a solid comparison I would have to watch both series side by side.

 

Why do I get the feeling your gonna end up being one of those people that says he prefers the original over Brotherhood

[Paragon Gabriel]

But most of Zeros unanswered questions are not answered in UBW. Everything for Saber was answered in Fate route and the grail, Kotomine and Sakura are all in HF. UBW was always about Shirou, Archer and Rin and their fight with Caster. In order to make UBW a "proper" contination of Zero you would have to add all that to UBW and that's imposable to do without harming the main conflict of UBW. They can probably add Saber(sadly so far they are doing a very bad job imo) but the other stuff won't work.

Fate is horrble and most events ultimately hollow. Truly, UBW would hardly need to make major changes for it to fit into the narrative and there are places they could add all the necessary aspects for it to work.

But we'll see what Ufotable does.

[Milan92]

Here's something I haven't mentioned in a while.

 

Personally I was kind of indifferent about Brotherhood until episode 15 or so ;-)

 

[Chewin]

Why do I get the feeling your gonna end up being one of those people that says he prefers the original over Brotherhood

 

Eh I doubt it, since the last arcs in FMA I found to be mediocre and where the show went downhill. Didn't even bother with the movie.

[Mr.House]

What was "unnecessary" though? And what would we have substituted for it though to fill that gap in time?

 

I thought both were awesome as hell.

Turning Saber into a victim and making Shirou look the bad guy for one, changing key lines from Saber to make her look like innocent lilly is another.

 

Saber also being able to put a fight against Berserker like that and taking his life is also bs as Saber should have disappeared in the morning from the amount of mana she used.

[CrazyRah]

Here's something I haven't mentioned in a while.

 

Personally I was kind of indifferent about Brotherhood until episode 15 or so ;-)

 

FMAB was a show that grew overtime as episodes passed and the difference in opinion from start to finish is massive. 

[Zeroth Angel]

What was "unnecessary" though? And what would we have substituted for it though to fill that gap in time?

 

I thought both were awesome as hell.

Maybe unnecessary wasn't the right word.

 

Let me put it this way

 

-There was no reason for them to change the fight between Berserker and Saber/Archer. That fight was already done very well. If anything it only made Berserker look weaker.

 

Berserker is supposed to be one of the strongest servants in the 5th HGW. Hell in the Fate route Saber gets utterly destroyed by him because she doesn't have the same terrain advantage that the graveyard offers.

 

Even Nasu backpalled on Berserkers abillity because of how that scene was handled in the anime.

 

-In the bridge scene Saber gets portrayed as a victim while in the VN she was the one that who made the situation worse.

[Milan92]

All this Saber talk makes me wanna go

 

 

Seriously, this dude should have been a servant in UBW

[Chewin]

Think I'm gonna stroll with a Roy Mustang avatar for the duration of my Brotherhood watch.

 

Need a break from Xanatos, and what better man to temporary replace him than the Flame Alchemist himself!

[Mr.House]

Think I'm gonna stroll with a Roy Mustang avatar for the duration of my Brotherhood watch.

 

Need a break from Xanatos, and what better man to temporary replace him than the Flame Alchemist himself!

Tiny miniskirts for all!

[CrazyRah]

Think I'm gonna stroll with a Roy Mustang avatar for the duration of my Brotherhood watch.

 

Need a break from Xanatos, and what better man to temporary replace him than the Flame Alchemist himself!

 

I approve of this avi! Mustang can only ever be considered awesome