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[Clover Rider]

Megaton_Hope wrote...

Eh, there are some gems on American tv. Not always the ones (like Lost, ick) that people rave over. American cartoons are almost universally crap - especially lately, there's been a trend away from painstaking traditional animation and toward...well, anything a computer can make cheaper. The guys who made Kappa Mikey and Speed Racer: The Next Generation make me want to gouge out my eyeballs. Or maybe theirs, although that probably wouldn't improve their work any.

Avatar's pretty great, though. Of course, like Transformers or Batman the Animated Series, that was shopped out, the stories were written here and it was animated in Korea.

American or western cartoons are at their best right now.

We have Young Justice, Green Lantern the Animated Series, Adventure Time, Regular Show, The Amazing World of Gumball, Thundercats, The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Dan Vs., Transformers Prime, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, Star Wars: The Clone Wars and soon we will have The Legend of Korra on.

Even if you don't care much for any of the shows I just said, just know that not one of them was made with half-assed work.

Also Armada and the next two shows that came after were anime, maybe that's why they were bad(as in the Japanese are not that great when it comes to Trasformers).

[RPGamer13]

eroeru wrote...

@RPGamer13

But how do you feel about missing out on some shows, due to bad voice acting?

Like Neon Genesis Evangelion for example. I would never be able to withstand the whining of Shinji in the dub. xD

That's the difference between you and me, I don't pass up shows because I think the english dubbing is "bad".  I'm more into the action on the screen.  Maybe I might not like the voice of one or two characters, but that's not enough to stop my enjoyment.

Some Geth wrote...

I also think people who say subs are too "fast" are funny.

Yeah, well, not everyone reads like you do.  It takes me a lot longer to read books than it does even some of my family members.  No amount of reading is going to change that.  It's the way I process information.

Subtitles will disappear while I'm about halfway through them most the time, sometimes even less.  And again, I cannot read and see what's going on at the same time.  My vision zooms into the words.

[Darthlawsuit]

Some Geth wrote...

Megaton_Hope wrote...

Eh, there are some gems on American tv. Not always the ones (like Lost, ick) that people rave over. American cartoons are almost universally crap - especially lately, there's been a trend away from painstaking traditional animation and toward...well, anything a computer can make cheaper. The guys who made Kappa Mikey and Speed Racer: The Next Generation make me want to gouge out my eyeballs. Or maybe theirs, although that probably wouldn't improve their work any.

Avatar's pretty great, though. Of course, like Transformers or Batman the Animated Series, that was shopped out, the stories were written here and it was animated in Korea.

American or western cartoons are at their best right now.

We have Young Justice, Green Lantern the Animated Series, Adventure Time, Regular Show, The Amazing World of Gumball, Thundercats, The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Dan Vs., Transformers Prime, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, Star Wars: The Clone Wars and soon we will have The Legend of Korra on.

Even if you don't care much for any of the shows I just said, just know that not one of them was made with half-assed work.

Also Armada and the next two shows that came after were anime, maybe that's why they were bad(as in the Japanese are not that great when it comes to Trasformers).

This is good?



You just lost any credibility. I seen this show before and..... It makes me miss Dexters labratory.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Batman is IMHO the only show with real quality among the western lineup.
Clone Wars seems nicely done.
Avatar was a strong contender, but it was clear they were going to kiddify it and I was right in the end. A terrible cop-out.

[Megaton_Hope]

Some Geth wrote...
(as in the Japanese are not that great when it comes to Trasformers).

Transformers Generation 1 was animated in Japan and Korea. Like Avatar and Batman, it was produced in cooperation between American and foreign studios.

Regular Show, The Amazing World of Gumball, Transformers Prime, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, Star Wars: The Clone Wars

Ewww.

Although the main defect in Clone Wars is the damn writing. Spunky padawans determined to prove they're "not too young to be Jedi" are a dumb idea. Every time it comes up in the movies, they're too OLD to be Jedi, counting nine-year-old Vader. Which I like - it fits in better with the idea of rigorous martial arts training that gives you spiritual powers that can control minds and move objects at a distance.

[Clover Rider]

Darthlawsuit wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Megaton_Hope wrote...

Eh, there are some gems on American tv. Not always the ones (like Lost, ick) that people rave over. American cartoons are almost universally crap - especially lately, there's been a trend away from painstaking traditional animation and toward...well, anything a computer can make cheaper. The guys who made Kappa Mikey and Speed Racer: The Next Generation make me want to gouge out my eyeballs. Or maybe theirs, although that probably wouldn't improve their work any.

Avatar's pretty great, though. Of course, like Transformers or Batman the Animated Series, that was shopped out, the stories were written here and it was animated in Korea.

American or western cartoons are at their best right now.

We have Young Justice, Green Lantern the Animated Series, Adventure Time, Regular Show, The Amazing World of Gumball, Thundercats, The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Dan Vs., Transformers Prime, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, Star Wars: The Clone Wars and soon we will have The Legend of Korra on.

Even if you don't care much for any of the shows I just said, just know that not one of them was made with half-assed work.

Also Armada and the next two shows that came after were anime, maybe that's why they were bad(as in the Japanese are not that great when it comes to Trasformers).

This is good?



You just lost any credibility. I seen this show before and..... It makes me miss Dexters labratory.

Yeah it is good, it does take some episodes to get used to it's humour sure. But really you can't tell me John DiMaggio saying this 
 or this 
 and this 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bq_GgmkPOk is not funny.

@jreezy I am kind of surprised you don't care for Adventure Time it comes off like a show you would like.

Modifié par Some Geth, 30 mars 2012 - 07:03 .

[Clover Rider]

Megaton_Hope wrote...

Some Geth wrote...
(as in the Japanese are not that great when it comes to Trasformers).

Transformers Generation 1 was animated in Japan and Korea. Like Avatar and Batman, it was produced in cooperation between American and foreign studios.

Regular Show, The Amazing World of Gumball, Transformers Prime, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, Star Wars: The Clone Wars

Ewww.

Although the main defect in Clone Wars is the damn writing. Spunky padawans determined to prove they're "not too young to be Jedi" are a dumb idea. Every time it comes up in the movies, they're too OLD to be Jedi, counting nine-year-old Vader. Which I like - it fits in better with the idea of rigorous martial arts training that gives you spiritual powers that can control minds and move objects at a distance.

I was talking about the writing of Trasformers when it it comes to Japan but then again Gen 1 is not that great of writing as well.

As for Clone Wars I get what your saying but that is really not what the show is all about. As for the rest of shows why the "Ewww"? as I said even if you don't care for them they are still well made and that was my point.

[Megaton_Hope]

Half those shows hurt me to look at.

As far as Clone Wars, that really is what it's about, that's something they had the protagonist, Ahsoka, say in the teasers.

[eroeru]

 Nah, there's some pretty awesome shows in western animation.

Like Courage the cowardly dog. (though yes, it's an oldie).

Also, there's been some cool movies. I don't really know the great ones, but I do remember Coraline and Fantastic Mr Fox.

Although I'm not a huge fan of those as well. Only "western" animation that's really well-made is the more artsy stuff. Like this.

@RPGgamer
Yeah, sorry if I asked it in a rude manner - no two people are quite alike, surely.

[Clover Rider]

Megaton_Hope wrote...

Half those shows hurt me to look at.

As far as Clone Wars, that really is what it's about, that's something they had the protagonist, Ahsoka, say in the teasers.

Really? Regular Show, MLP and Gumball's animation styles are really nice to my eyes, can you point out to me what makes them look bad(or "hurt") to you?

Clone Wars and Prime took me some time to get used to but still they are the best looking CGI cartoons we have ever had on TV.

And what about the episodes that have no Ahsoka in them at all? Sure she is a "big" part to the show but let us not forget it's call the Clone Wars for a reason. And really I have seen far worse main characters only made to get kids hooked to a show.

@eroeru Courage is still great after all these years, I would of said it but I was going for what is on right now.

Modifié par Some Geth, 30 mars 2012 - 07:34 .

[Clover Rider]

jreezy wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

@jreezy I am kind of surprised you don't care for Adventure Time it comes off like a show you would like.

To be fair I haven't watched it too much. Maybe if I watch more of it I'd probably feel differently.

Yeah that could help, watching some episodes to get a feel to it, is what got me into it. That and my friends who work in animation made me watch it.

Also having Neil Patrick Harris sing makes anything good turn great.
 

Modifié par Some Geth, 30 mars 2012 - 08:12 .

[Megaton_Hope]

Some Geth wrote...
it's call the Clone Wars for a reason.

Not really - it wasn't conclusively established in the halls of power at LucasArts what exactly the Clone Wars would be until Episode 3, Send in the Clones. In an early draft, actually, Lando Calrissian was to be a clone - and the clones were a kind of race/culture that reproduced through cloning.

Regular Show, MLP and Gumball's animation styles are really nice to my
eyes, can you point out to me what makes them look bad(or "hurt") to
you?

Well, here's th' thing. If I'm going to watch a show, I like to have one or more of these things appeal to me:

1. Story
2. Setting
3. Characters
4. Design work

1, 2, and 3 are generally a no-go, on a series like Regular Show, Flapjack, Amazing World of Gumball, My Gym Partner is a Monkey, Yin Yang Yo or Chowder. Since each of these exist mainly to move the gags along. (In Flapjack, the setting would almost be all right, if I didn't hate all the characters and the things they do.)

The trend right now in animation seems to be minimalist design, to streamline the process and get more work out faster. I do not appreciate minimalism; characters composed of geometric shapes that have been stapled together are, at best, kind of annoying. (The one exception that comes to mind offhand is Smurfs, and the animation in that was otherwise pretty good.)

The main reason anime's "limited animation" appeals to me is that they make up for this with interesting camera angles, more detailed backdrops, and very detailed action scenes every so often. If not for that (and there are anime which are equally as crappy as the crappiest American cartoon) it would be loathsome for the same reason.

[Clover Rider]

Megaton_Hope wrote...

Some Geth wrote...
it's call the Clone Wars for a reason.

Not really - it wasn't conclusively established in the halls of power at LucasArts what exactly the Clone Wars would be until Episode 3, Send in the Clones. In an early draft, actually, Lando Calrissian was to be a clone - and the clones were a kind of race/culture that reproduced through cloning.

Regular Show, MLP and Gumball's animation styles are really nice to my
eyes, can you point out to me what makes them look bad(or "hurt") to
you?

Well, here's th' thing. If I'm going to watch a show, I like to have one or more of these things appeal to me:

1. Story
2. Setting
3. Characters
4. Design work

1, 2, and 3 are generally a no-go, on a series like Regular Show, Flapjack, Amazing World of Gumball, My Gym Partner is a Monkey, Yin Yang Yo or Chowder. Since each of these exist mainly to move the gags along. (In Flapjack, the setting would almost be all right, if I didn't hate all the characters and the things they do.)

The trend right now in animation seems to be minimalist design, to streamline the process and get more work out faster. I do not appreciate minimalism; characters composed of geometric shapes that have been stapled together are, at best, kind of annoying. (The one exception that comes to mind offhand is Smurfs, and the animation in that was otherwise pretty good.)

The main reason anime's "limited animation" appeals to me is that they make up for this with interesting camera angles, more detailed backdrops, and very detailed action scenes every so often. If not for that (and there are anime which are equally as crappy as the crappiest American cartoon) it would be loathsome for the same reason.

With Regular Show and Gumball, I like the settings and characters but that's just me. As for the design, they are humor cartoons and they never really need super great animation(still Gumball can look good when it wants to) since they are made with "simple" in mind.

I do get what you are saying but I find myself watching more new western cartoons(good ones!) over new anime, if only because there is better stuff on in the west right now.

Modifié par Some Geth, 30 mars 2012 - 09:57 .

[Megaton_Hope]

I don't think that "circle guy, and his sidekick square dude" are a necessary component to a humorous show. Back on the subject of anime, Project A-ko and Ranma 1/2 are both humorous, and use very detailed character designs and complex action sequences.

[Clover Rider]

Megaton_Hope wrote...

I don't think that "circle guy, and his sidekick square dude" are a necessary component to a humorous show. Back on the subject of anime, Project A-ko and Ranma 1/2 are both humorous, and use very detailed character designs and complex action sequences.

No but it's the way most humor cartoons are. and really "circle guy" and "square dude"?

As for Project A-ko and Ranma 1/2 sure they are humorous but they are not full on gag anime(gag anime is close to what the west has for humor cartoons). Now Azumanga Daioh is a gag anime and hey look! it has very simple designs!

Modifié par Some Geth, 30 mars 2012 - 10:20 .

[Darthlawsuit]

Some Geth wrote...

Darthlawsuit wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Megaton_Hope wrote...

Eh, there are some gems on American tv. Not always the ones (like Lost, ick) that people rave over. American cartoons are almost universally crap - especially lately, there's been a trend away from painstaking traditional animation and toward...well, anything a computer can make cheaper. The guys who made Kappa Mikey and Speed Racer: The Next Generation make me want to gouge out my eyeballs. Or maybe theirs, although that probably wouldn't improve their work any.

Avatar's pretty great, though. Of course, like Transformers or Batman the Animated Series, that was shopped out, the stories were written here and it was animated in Korea.

American or western cartoons are at their best right now.

We have Young Justice, Green Lantern the Animated Series, Adventure Time, Regular Show, The Amazing World of Gumball, Thundercats, The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Dan Vs., Transformers Prime, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, Star Wars: The Clone Wars and soon we will have The Legend of Korra on.

Even if you don't care much for any of the shows I just said, just know that not one of them was made with half-assed work.

Also Armada and the next two shows that came after were anime, maybe that's why they were bad(as in the Japanese are not that great when it comes to Trasformers).

This is good?



You just lost any credibility. I seen this show before and..... It makes me miss Dexters labratory.

Yeah it is good, it does take some episodes to get used to it's humour sure. But really you can't tell me John DiMaggio saying this 
 or this 
 and this 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bq_GgmkPOk is not funny.

@jreezy I am kind of surprised you don't care for Adventure Time it comes off like a show you would like.

If they can't spend any time making it look worth while I won't spend any time watching it. Also I don't have cable anymore so.... Yeah

Also wtf that joke sucked ;;

Modifié par Darthlawsuit, 30 mars 2012 - 04:03 .

[eroeru]

What does everybody think about the finale of season 2 in Bakuman? (Some Geth...)

I personally felt the changes done to Perfect Crime Club like "catering to the crowd", and it certainly seemed less appealing by the end. Like, why do protagonists have to have that distinctive characteristic thing, other than some nuanced and very elaborate things (which I think the original character design had).

[Lotion Soronarr]

I jsut watched this:
www.youtube.com/watch
and was, like: "woah. Have to track this anime down!"

Then I wikkied it and read the plot sysnopsis. Damn you anime writers! Can't you do ONE story without being high on shrooms!

aht said, this is also art:
www.youtube.com/watch
Must have wated it a dozen times by now.

And these.
www.youtube.com/watch
www.youtube.com/watch

[Megaton_Hope]

Some Geth wrote...
Now Azumanga Daioh is a gag anime and hey look! it has very simple designs!

Mostly super deformed takes. In general, the characters have fingers.

[Clover Rider]

eroeru wrote...

What does everybody think about the finale of season 2 in Bakuman? (Some Geth...)

I personally felt the changes done to Perfect Crime Club like "catering to the crowd", and it certainly seemed less appealing by the end. Like, why do protagonists have to have that distinctive characteristic thing, other than some nuanced and very elaborate things (which I think the original character design had).

I have not seen much of season 2 but I have read the manga. Are they at the point where they bring up the fact PCP can't be made into an anime?

@Darthlawsuit The fact the joke is not funny is what makes it funny.

[Megaton_Hope]

Finished re-reading Nausicaa. I have decided that there are definitely too many plots involved to make a coherent OAV out of. Haven't seen the cartoon in a while, though.

[Cosmo G. Spacely]

Adultswim is having a Toonami block on right now!