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[soultaker65]

All these sentai pics are making me sad that I fell behind on go-busters.
I don't know why it's so hard to keep up with sentai, yet I somehow watched every episode of kamen rider fourze the day it came out. 

From Kiva to Wizard I haven't missed a single episode of Kamen rider, yet beside gokaiger I haven't been able to keep up with sentai. One day I'm watching episode 15 the day it comes out then the next thing I know I've missed 30+ episodes and the shows over.

[RedArmyShogun]

Oh I see you like Yandere's more.

[Ghost Lightning]

RedArmyShogun wrote...

Oh I see you like Yandere's more.

*snip*

why not both?

Modifié par Ghost Lightning, 13 février 2013 - 04:21 .

[ObserverStatus]

Ghost Lightning wrote...

 

teh hell?

[eroeru]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I have a theory. If you consider a song or movie art, then you consider all songs or movies art.

If you have a problem with Nicki Manaj, Michael Bay's Transformers or High School of the Dead being art, just think of them as Dr. Suess illustrations. They are still considered art, despite the fact that they aren't profound. Art is considered something that expresses human emotion in a way words can't, so I'd say books, movies, music and anime art indeed art.

coughcoughsorryforrandomlyjumpingintoyourconversationtodeliverasoapboxspeechcoughcough

Actually, no. You speak sense, but as to art being considered something that "expresses human emotion in a way words can't" - I think you're wrong here.

Anime, movies and music are more widely considered not-art still...

[eroeru]

That's a wonderful gif, Ghost Lightning.

Yes, let us

Modifié par eroeru, 13 février 2013 - 10:45 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

I could never get into Super Sentai or take them seriously. Not even as a kid.

[eroeru]

They're not to be taken all that "seriously" I'd think.
Though I did love them and didn't laugh when I was in elementary school or so... Dunno!

[bmwcrazy]

Hitagi isn't quite a good tsundere despite how she claims she is.

She's more of a kuudere (cool-dere).

[RedArmyShogun]

bmwcrazy wrote...

Hitagi isn't quite a good tsundere despite how she claims she is.

She's more of a kuudere (cool-dere).

I think thats more as Araragi can trade barbs with her. Though might be more on note with that one. I loved when he "crashed" and was just letting his body heal and she just stands over him so he can have something nice to look at lol. The debate is still on if she was wearing panties or not.

[Ghost Lightning]

I agree. In the first episode she's kinda tsun, but bmw is right. I'd call her more of a kuudere as well. Maybe even a little yandereish with how she responds to the idea of anyone but her killing Araragi.

[RedArmyShogun]

lol

"If anyone kills you, then I'll kill them."

I love her various qoutes on the relationship as well. I have to say its a great couple. More so in Nise

Modifié par RedArmyShogun, 13 février 2013 - 07:41 .

[eroeru]

Yeah, you do make sense.

Yet there are many definitions and far-out yet excellent ones - they *can* intristically make more sense and be more elegant...Just saying they don't matter seems lazy.

But yeah, most rely on common and wide-spread intuitive basis of recognizing art. It partly gets stronger ground out of being stated by a "professional" - one who knows through-and-through art history (which also comprises some experience in creating a piece).

From this paradigm there seems to be the acceptance that movies and books as such aren't considered art. I'd wager it has something to do with the aforementioned distinctive features - like narrative-like extensiveness that you can "live into" and thus experience vs "presented" and "pretentious" (in a good sense) bundles of meaning that pertain to many different categories (always relying on something else than narrative) and get lives of their own so to speak!

Modifié par eroeru, 13 février 2013 - 09:22 .

[RedArmyShogun]

A little bit old, but look at who showed up in, Zettai Karen Children: The Unlimited

Well what two people showed up.

Modifié par RedArmyShogun, 13 février 2013 - 10:49 .

[Some Geth]

Holy sh!t lol, I bet he could die happy right now lol. And the AVGN too.

[eroeru]

@Hanar

I always love when people end up digressing. It seems really really intellectual, and the beautiful thing is that though it *is* so, I can't understand if it's so if I'd somehow know the exact intent behind that ("so" meaning that they'd be really exquisite people at that)...

Lol, I guess that didn't make much sense.
In short, I really do love the phrase (used quite often in this thread!).

As to cars being art... well, not really. There's a huge difference between Artistry and Art(isticality).

Art in itself is never practical (though it could be so indirectly - as in psychologically or so).

Modifié par eroeru, 13 février 2013 - 11:00 .

[eroeru]

Is Zettai Karen Children worth it?
I kinda had a glimpse of the prequel so-to-say, and wasn't impressed. Should I look more into it? Starting from the "prequel"??

[RedArmyShogun]

Ehh I haven't watched the prequel either. This show is pretty good however. Nothing very fantastic, but worth the Watch.

@ SG lol alot of people had to pause to be sure it wasn't a trick. For some reason a number of animes have been throwing in meme's as of late and web personalities as easter eggs and camo's.

[Ghost Lightning]

On the art argument. I'm personally of the belief that the creations of all "artistic" mediums (be it motion pictures, animation, written word, sculpted/painted/drawn art, etc.) can, and should, be considered art.

As to the dictionary definition of art. Webster defines art as anything created using skill AND imagination. By that definition almost anything can be called art, and who's to say that it isn't? I mean, even studying the art history of every culture ever to exist won't give you an answer as to "what art is" because the very first person ever to define art was doing so based on their own subjective reasoning. So in truth, everyone that bases their perception of art on that sort of definition is just agreeing with someone else's purely subjective opinion and only applying any expression of worth onto it because of the idea that "This opinion is must be right because it's really really old."

I mean, if the first thing to be called art had been in the form of say, the spoken word, I'm sure the masses would then deject the opinion that visual art (what we in our society consider the "purest" form of art) is as true an artistic medium. But because somewhere along the line the word art was connected to visual pieces such as paintings and sculptures, people find it hard to allow much else to be classified as such, even though the word itself does not discriminate its meaning based on medium.

/rant

[eroeru]

Aah, now I recognize the guys from the screenie. Cool.

[eroeru]

Ghost Lightning wrote...

On the art argument. I'm personally of the belief that the creations of all "artistic" mediums (be it motion pictures, animation, written word, sculpted/painted/drawn art, etc.) can, and should, be considered art.

As to the dictionary definition of art. Webster defines art as anything created using skill AND imagination. By that definition almost anything can be called art, and who's to say that it isn't? I mean, even studying the art history of every culture ever to exist won't give you an answer as to "what art is" because the very first person ever to define art was doing so based on their own subjective reasoning. So in truth, everyone that bases their perception of art on that sort of definition is just agreeing with someone else's purely subjective opinion and only applying any expression of worth onto it because of the idea that "This opinion is must be right because it's really really old."

I mean, if the first thing to be called art had been in the form of say, the spoken word, I'm sure the masses would then deject the opinion that visual art (what we in our society consider the "purest" form of art) is as true an artistic medium. But because somewhere along the line the word art was connected to visual pieces such as paintings and sculptures, people find it hard to allow much else to be classified as such, even though the word itself does not discriminate its meaning based on medium.

/rant

I appreciate the thought gone into this. However, I'd say something about my disagreement in two more striking points.

1. motion pictures, tv shows and written word aren't considered art. Widely. As is seen from art galleries and from the output of people who call themselves and are recognized as artists.

2. Terms don't work that way. They always work in some history and some context. If you're looking for or think I or any theorist were looking for a universal definition out of time and space, well, I should disappoint you. People are well aware that they talk of terms that were created and used by people/perspectives.

Perspectivism does not however lead to subjectivism. Objectiveness does not presuppose that there be no subjective.

I like to see it all in "degrees" of value. Objectiveness has a "degree" to it, and it can be thought of as the sum of seen/recorded use in context (as in - how many people how many times and what people at that have called a movie art vs other uses - you'll notice no engaged-in-something-related-to-art-people go out of a movie theater seriously considering a framed narrative art as such).

In short about the objective - the more info is accounted for the most relevant way, the more objective the view is. As to what's relevant, there can be some debate. But nothing "time-and-space" profound really.

Modifié par eroeru, 13 février 2013 - 11:36 .

[Ghost Lightning]

I hear you. But then which mediums would you (or rather the theorists you mentioned) say fall into a category that makes them able to be called "art"? I suppose I'm wondering why a framed narrative can't be called art.