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[eroeru]

As of now I'm not able to name any theorists whose ideas I'm acquainted with sufficiently to say that. So 0 points for me in that regard (tho I can mention Arthur Danto if that gets me anything for knowing something ).

But as far as I've seen and learned, a comprehensive list cannot be made. Yet in some specific time and situation you *can* really say what doesn't fall into the category - and if people'd agree with the category's criteria, at least in large part, then I guess a pretty good list can be made. I'd of course mention the obvious - painting, installation, sculpture, short ("presentational/conceptual") film, performance.

Now music is really difficult to distinguish from art as such - on one hand it often has the aforementioned extensiveness and/or narrative built in as primary, on the other, it often could seem not as primary. It's a puzzle as to "what music is" really - so I think the tendency of giving it a whole different category is justified.

As to "why it cannot be (called art)"... well, I often think of the question as not really saying anything. The question is rather "what is" and "why" rather than "why couldn't it be otherwise". At least in such a topic.

Of course movies and whatever else could be considered art in a possible world (where art as a notion is otherwise the same). Yet for some history-continuation-rooted reasons that doesn't seem the case right here and now.

Modifié par eroeru, 13 février 2013 - 11:57 .

[Ghost Lightning]

So basically it's something that can't really be explained because of the subjective nature of objectivity (if that makes sense)?

Basically those things aren't considered art, but they could be from a certain perspective? I think that's what I'm getting here (but I'm prolly off the marker a bit).

[eroeru]

Well, what I meant is that if you place yourself in a culture and identify with it, then you'd need to play by its rules in language (otherwise it wouldn't "work" - other people won't understand you as well).

Of course it's possible to forget your learned languages and cultures and redefine art as by your liking. Don't expect to be able to communicate it then tho.

As for subjectivity, I like to see it as a realm that's influenced by one's subjective self, one's "me" or "will" alone or importantly.

You can't alter how a language in a larger scale works tho by purely "willing it so"... Slight deviations are possible to put into use and other slight ones to even spread in languages, but you'll never be the primary influence of a term in any said language.

[RedArmyShogun]

You know here is an easy way to solve it.

What makes something Art? If enough people say it is and spend enough money on it. Of course doesn't mean it will be later or it won't be later. Its a mater of taste and thus subjective. And at the end of the day pointless to debate, more so in this topic. The Artists and what they want and why they made something, doesn't matter so much as what the public thinks. I mean several well known painters of today DIED without a penny. And only after they died in some cases years later did the Art they make gain fame.

Some people think paitings are art. Some people think games are. Others the human form, and then you have Modern Art.

Art is a concept and expression. And thus it can't really be placed into terms all that well. One mans art is another mans trash.

Modifié par RedArmyShogun, 14 février 2013 - 12:07 .

[eroeru]

Artists are a part of the people, and ones more knowledgeable about the history and nature of their profession, I think.

[Ghost Lightning]

@eroeru: I get it now. That makes a lot of sense. I was jsut misunderstanding you I think.

@RedArmyShogun: verily

[RedArmyShogun]

eroeru wrote...


Artists are a part of the people, and ones more knowledgeable about the history and nature of their profession, I think.

Maybe so. Doesn't change the fact if the masses don't agree they are going to starve to death, now does it?

[eroeru]

RedArmyShogun wrote...

Art is a concept and expression. And thus it can't really be placed into terms all that well. One mans art is another mans trash.

I agree with this notion. The quality of art is too messy of a subject to be bothered with (at least here). Edit: yet it's a separate one from the discussion of categories.

I do appreciated the little side-discussion tho!

Also, I agree that food and medicine are prerequisites to stay alive and thus more important in principle than art (as they're then needed for there to be any art). Yet even in cases where the artist dies of hunger it can be said that as his/her ultimate goal was art, he/she didn't do anything wrong.

Having a (essential in its importance) necessity as a ultimate goal seems a bit silly.

But we are really getting off-topic now. I digress!

Modifié par eroeru, 14 février 2013 - 12:25 .

[RedArmyShogun]

Yes, I should see if any of my shows have uploaded yet lulz. In terms of the next show I'll watch think I'll hit up Shinryaku (squidgirl)

[Ghost Lightning]

I watched the first 2 episodes of squid girl because my brother was telling me it's the best thing ever made...I guess I'll have to watch more for it to become the best thing ever made

[RedArmyShogun]

lol I never think that of anything. But I heard it was good, still got alot of other things to watch though.

[Ghost Lightning]

After finishing bakemonogatari I kinda wanna continue guilty crown, but to be honest after the first episode I think it might end up being sh!t...

Also, this is awesome. If you've watched Nichijou and Bakemonogatari you'll be able to appreciate this.

Modifié par Ghost Lightning, 14 février 2013 - 12:42 .

[RedArmyShogun]

Well I told you my view on Guilty Crown. Haven't watched Nichijou though. Think I'll look that up.

[bmwcrazy]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Any pure comedy animes people can suggest?

Welcome to NHK isn't pure comedy but it is one of the funniest anime I've ever watched. 

[RedArmyShogun]

Cromartie highschool, also might like Combat Butler Hayate aka Hayate no Gotoku

Modifié par RedArmyShogun, 14 février 2013 - 02:20 .

[Ghost Lightning]

Nichijou. That's pure comedy. I don't even think there is a true plot.

[eroeru]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

bmwcrazy wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Any pure comedy animes people can suggest?

Welcome to NHK isn't pure comedy but it is one of the funniest anime I've ever watched. 

Teenage girls sitting half naked on motorcycles...

Niiiicccceeee

(I love Hulu, you can find anything there.)

What series did you watch?

Welcome to the NHK is the depressive sorta anime if nothing else.

Also, i'd recommend Hen Zemi, but it's not for the weak of heart. You've got to be pretty tolerant to enjoy it. But when you do, it'd greatly original and funyy and intense even.

Also, Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei.

Also, Detroit Metal City.

... O, I think you're better off with Nichijou or Azumanga Daioh...

[bmwcrazy]

eroeru wrote...
What series did you watch?

Welcome to the NHK is the depressive sorta anime if nothing else.

How is it depressing? Maybe I just enjoy laughing at others' expense...

I find it seriously funny and this is one of the few anime that actually has a proper ending and it's a good ending too.

Oh yeah, if you like love comedy type of anime, you have to check out School Rumble's first season. It is also properly funny.

Modifié par bmwcrazy, 14 février 2013 - 06:58 .

[eroeru]

Well, I mean that the main story is kinda the depressing type.

It is presented in a real funny and great way though.

(the "what show did you watch" comment was directed at Hanar and the naked chicks on a motorcycle)

Modifié par eroeru, 14 février 2013 - 10:36 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

I'd guess Golden Boy?

There was that one episode with a chick riding a motorcycle....in more ways than one.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 14 février 2013 - 11:27 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Yikes.
The characters look better in the anime.

Also, why do many anime artists have trouble with simple proportions?

Heads and boobies are almsot always comicly large (or round)