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On an unrelated note, what do you think of Light Yagami? Believeable or unbelieveable? Hero or villain? Right or wrong?

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Light was a utopian minded megalomaniac who saw life as cheap next to his goal for humanity, like Mao Zedong or something.
He should have died a dictator's death, not had a doofus in pajamas point a finger at him in a warehouse.

And I never found Light written obviously enough for hate enough to care if he suffered. Plus Mello and Near were so obnoxious and awful I honestly would rather have seen Light kill them (I know Mello did die, but he even died offscreen for chrissakes).

wooo near won who cares, he was a charmless retarded version of L who was actually kind of annoying.

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Hmm, interesting. By dictator's death do you mean something more public than what he got or something epic, like being struck by lightning?


I also agree. It would've been much better if L won than Near, but whatevs.

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There was no thematic edge to anything that happened, Light just got outsmarted. He wasn't brought down by his own hubris or anything like that. I mean that black haired guy went from genius to foaming idiot out of nowhere too. Light just died a ridiculous villain almost like he was a different character.

So yeah his hubris is what should have killed him.

I wish they'd ended the series then and there when L died. What followed just felt like an unnatural extension due to its popularity, and I'd have been happy leaving the series with the debates still going about the rightness of Light's cause and so forth, instead of switching to "what is this rubbish I'm reading".

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I sort of agree with you, but I will say that I feel the way they took down Light was very consistent with the series. The whole series revolved around mind games and geniuses trying to outsmart geniuses.

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I'm gonna say what I always say.

It's not necessarily that I want Light to win. It's that I went Near to lose. Horribly, and painfully.

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That's the funniest part.

Death Note is just a series of one side one-upping the other.

And... that's all that happened in the end. Just one more casual one-up, written by the authors and not the characters (you know what I mean) and this time it just ended in another guy dying.

Sh!t just ends boringly and without any real interest. Just a kind of hilariously dumb sadistic lick by watching Light flail around like a moron and what little character Light and Black Haired Light had left seemed zoomed over to just have it finish like this.

It's premise is waaaaaaay beyond the simple detective thing tho.

Light needed to die like Gaddafi or Mussolini or something, or push the Death Note too far like an Indiana Jones villain and have ghosts melt his face or something I dunno, something even basically fitting for a meglomaniac playing with evil demon power.

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 And Darker Than Black needs a third.


This. SO MUCH THIS. Just an awesome series.

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I see what you're saying. It would of been interesting if he would've died a Shinigami's death, too.

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Death Note could have been really great, still an interesting series in many ways.

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There's an alternate ending someone wrote around the internet somewhere. Light wins, gets old, and gets tired of killing, so he asks Ryuk to write his name down.

Instead of dying normally, he gets stuck in the Shinigami realm, and he has to feel the same pain that he made everyone he ever killed feel, and when he feels every single death he caused with the Death Note, he'll be erased from history completely.

Light gets up and dusts himself off in a total Light-like fashion, and sets off to find the Shinigami King, so he can either make a deal with him, or steal his power.

That's how it ends. Doesn't tell you if Light succeeds or not, but I think that's a much better representation of Light's character than what actually happened.

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Now that would've been something.

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Not really what I would have wanted but at least it's better than the real ending.

Modifié par Some Geth, 02 mars 2013 - 02:44 .


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Not exactly my ideal ending either, but it does the one thing that I wish the actual series did. It's so true to Light as a character.

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 Death Note Alternate Ending

I think this is the video, although I haven't watched it yet, 'cause it's buffering. Stupid slow computer...
I'd mute it before you watch it if I were you. 

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couldn't get into Death Note.

i need to downsize my manga collection... maybe get rid of some of the un-ended Tokyo Pop books: Blazin' Barrells was fun. reminded me of Desert punk. King of Hell was awesome, then TP started to choke and they never finished the series. my friend and i loved Utopia's Avenger- frikkin TP cancelled the series in the middle of a big fight.

the worst part of those three mangas? they're korean. I can't find them online, in english.

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Some Geth wrote...
Light needed to die like Gaddafi or Mussolini or something, or push the Death Note too far like an Indiana Jones villain and have ghosts melt his face or something I dunno, something even basically fitting for a meglomaniac playing with evil demon power.


I dunno. Trying to follwo some pattern on how a character "must" die is exactly what makes something shallow and predictive.
In real life, people don't always have poigntant, symbolic or heroic deaths. No plots or character shields. No arcs. Stuff just hapens.

In fact, Lights death as it is makes it kinda feel more real.

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Kira's Laugh in Various Languages

Oh God the Russian one! XD

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Agreed. And Darker Than Black needs sa third. And Sekaichi no Apollon needs a second. And... there're too many to list really.


In other news, I'm finding Brigadoon to be an awesome somewhat-oldie and finally getting to end-game of Dragon Ball Z. Boo arc is the way Dragon Ball Z *should* be. If this quality would have been consistent throughout the series, I'd rate it two marks higher and a nine.


Anything with Ryouhei Kimura as a lead needs more seasons.

And yes, Buu saga is probably the best in DBZ. You'd be shocked by how many fans consider it the worst. In my opinion DBZ got better with every new arc. Except I don't think Frieza can be overlooked and remains one of the best DBZ villains even compared to Buu and the androids.


Yeah. ^_^

I agree with Some Geth on the details, mostly, so I won't comment more thoroughly. All in all I'm quite amazed how Boo arc is considered bad.

@ Hanar - giving Death Note a 9 is a good move in my opinion, given the series' significance and originality alone.

In other other news, I got to Kurozuka from my "on hold" series, and it's great. I really love series that do some odd pacing with silent parts, and build tension. Vampire shows usually do that. Reminds me of dreams for some reason or other.
+ there's the spectacular art...

@Logan
God I hate German and Russian dubs.

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eroeru wrote...


In other other news, I got to Kurozuka from my "on hold" series, and it's great. I really love series that do some odd pacing with silent parts, and build tension. Vampire shows usually do that. Reminds me of dreams for some reason or other.
+ there's the spectacular art...




You are in for quite a ride. :)

Though it does get sort of weird and confusing towards the end.

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Some Geth wrote...

Light was a utopian minded megalomaniac who saw life as cheap next to his goal for humanity, like Mao Zedong or something.
He should have died a dictator's death, not had a doofus in pajamas point a finger at him in a warehouse.

And I never found Light written obviously enough for hate enough to care if he suffered. Plus Mello and Near were so obnoxious and awful I honestly would rather have seen Light kill them (I know Mello did die, but he even died offscreen for chrissakes).

wooo near won who cares, he was a charmless retarded version of L who was actually kind of annoying.

Honestly I think his death was fitting because of how he dealt with people, he was worshipped and yet he died on a set of stairs bleeding out from gunshot wounds.

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And in my opinion, in the end he *did* play himself into a corner. Things got really complicated, the tension grew, mistakes were abound by probability alone. He died by going out of his mind. Would he have played it safer, he would of at least survived. But he was crazy mad by the end, from the tension and maniacal behavior that accumulated by end.

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It was all Mikimi's fault. He was pretty stupid during the final episodes.

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It's never someone else's fault in the mind of a smart (maniac) person, I'd think. To deal with another's (Mikami's) stupidity is not to judge but to take into account. If Light didn't accurately account for Mikami's behavior, from his own perspective, Light's justified to think it's all his fault (not emotionally though).

This kind of logic in other words: a person cannot influence or understand others directly (because of the veil of perception and one being a subjective unit). Thus one should concentrate and take into account the actions of oneself - they're the only thing by which something can be done, thus having prime relevance.

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But still, Light should've just done it all on his own. He overcomplicated things. Though I may not completely remember his reasons for trusting his fling from college and Mikami.