That handprint on his mask is significant.
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That doesn't explain those pants or shoes, or the Picasso Poncho though.
Although I'm inclined to say that explanation is worse than if he/she simply thought it looked cool. I mean it kind of illustrates the kind
No one sane you mean.That doesn't explain those pants or shoes, or the Picasso Poncho though.
Although I'm inclined to say that explanation is worse than if he/she simply thought it looked cool. I mean it kind of illustrates the kindSpoiler
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I mean isn't pretty much everyone's favorite anime here some older (or at least less edgy) thing? I'm sure there are some exceptions but it's been mostly LogH, or HxH, or maybe even GITS or something, or possibly Ghibli movies or whatever. PMMM is more recent and I guess where the edgy thing worked, but it's building off a base from 20 years ago (Sailor Moon),
No one sane you mean.
He's the Pyrokinetic Punisher dude.
Now can we stop? This has gotten so exceedingly dull.
Haha this isn't detention or something, thank you for indulging my requests regardless. At any rate Tiger and Bunny looks more exciting than the average anime by a good shot, whether you want to say that's due to edginess or maturity there certainty is some. I really will probably try watching it at some point.
I feel like you're trying to rope me into some kind of consensus around another one of your very "Kefka" definitions, but as usual I see no sense in it. In fact, I think this is just the same "edginess" nail you were pounding away at in the DAI forums back then, too. I don't expect this discussion to be any more productive.
"Edginess" is basically faux-maturity, which I generally stopped caring about when I stopped caring about having True Maturity in everything like I have something to prove. But I don't see any significant uptick in shows of this nature lately. If anything there are less there were in that period after Hideaki Anno and Evangelion saved anime. But there are plenty of shows that do have actual maturity, and they're not limited by time period at all, nor by the conventional "maturity" label that just covers explicit violence, sex, etc. Family friendly Ghibli films, for example, I would say are quite mature.
If there are trends in anime nowadays that are disturbing they would be the moe incest lolicon stuff, which if anything I would say is the opposite problem of edginess. It's not trying to be intelligent and failing, it's embracing the sick immature bullshit in otaku culture.
The things I like have more to do with whether they know what they want to be and are well-written to that effect. Not whether they're "old" shows like HxH 2011 or JoJo 2013 or Madoka from 2011. And not whether they're "edgy" like Revengeance or Bayonetta. Though if they want to be incest, lolicon etc. (harem, idol), I'm not giving the writing a chance to begin with in most cases.
Now I'm looking back at your post again and wondering why I even bothered with this since you're using edginess and maturity interchangeably and stuck on that willfully ignorant "Japan is the land of sakura and tanabata all day every day, unlike gross Korea and USA" train of thought.
I don't know I think the moe incest lolicon thing is the edgy thing to me.
I'm never trying to build a "consensus" or something, but I guess unlike many people that like Japanese video games or anime I've never had a complex or problem towards America or their puritan norms or whatever else, that's usually meant skimming off the top with things like Metal Gear Solid, etc. So your "gross USA and Korea" thing is 100% backwards, I've actually been listening to/occasionally watching this KPOP dance video this whole time in the background.
Heck that's probably why I thought about the post, no conspiracy or complicated plots, I just watch it and go "Japan can never do this." Of course, they probably can, and maybe will, maybe even soon, but it requires a certain like aesthetic purity that I just don't really know if it's ever been their strength or see that often. So when it comes to anime I kind of skim over the stuff that tries to succeed simply by being "mature" or pure because it can never really be at that level. At worst, I just see it as a failed attempt.
Instead I tend to get stuck on stuff like Tiger and Bunny, which yeah is pretty silly, but it's also pretty clever and funny (which are important and cool qualities), and that's probably a lot more than you could say for a good number of KPOP stars. In fact, Japan has a number of unique qualities (in entertainment and otherwise) that aren't replicated elsewhere and which are pretty cool and attract me to it, but "maturity" (at least in an extreme sense) hasn't really always been one of them IMO.
That said yeah I mean I can believe it in Ghibli, or other top anime like HxH or Madoka, but 98% of the time it's fake and it seems to have reached critical mass recently.
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Anyway, I finished When Marnie Was Good. It was there. The protagonist is pretty relateable in the Watamote sort of way, but not used for comedic effect. Though I feel like it's a bit clumsy with the storytelling, like it keeps getting to the precipice of deeper meaning but then turning back and going for something simpler like "I was adoooopted" (don't worry, only a spoiler for the first few minutes of the show). Maybe not as masterful as some of the films I remember. Still, pretty Ghibli.
If the dub gets a wide release in US theaters I may check it out just to support it or whatever.
Spiros was telling me about the soundtrack for that. Supposed to be worthy of what I use music for.
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The music adds a lot to the film, yeah. I dunno what would be really great about it for sampling though, as it's mostly melancholic/nostalgic orchestral stuff. Again, pretty Ghibli. Though it's not Joe Hisaishi.
I try to be pretty versatile with the samples I pull from so I'll definitely give it a look. I couldn't find anything when I looked for any music though. Sword of the Stranger was pretty left field to use but I made it work.
Anyway, I finished When Marnie Was Good. It was there. The protagonist is pretty relateable in the Watamote sort of way, but not used for comedic effect. Though I feel like it's a bit clumsy with the storytelling, like it keeps getting to the precipice of deeper meaning but then turning back and going for something simpler like "I was adoooopted" (don't worry, only a spoiler for the first few minutes of the show). Maybe not as masterful as some of the films I remember. Still, pretty Ghibli.
If the dub gets a wide release in US theaters I may check it out just to support it or whatever.
Well I mean to be fair like I said it's more than just Ghibli, it's more there seems like a rash of anime (and JRPGs for that matter) in recent times, trying to be edgy, not legitimate. At a certain point I just lost track.
And then a lot of the time anime won't even try to be edgy and come off as kind of mature and cool, it all depends. I think just about every gradation between whoa this is really cool and eww exists here and there.
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I don't know I think the moe incest lolicon thing is the edgy thing to me.
I'm never trying to build a "consensus" or something, but I guess unlike many people that like Japanese video games or anime I've never had a complex or problem towards America or their puritan norms or whatever else, that's usually meant skimming off the top with things like Metal Gear Solid, etc. So your "gross USA and Korea" thing is 100% backwards, I've actually been listening to/occasionally watching this KPOP dance video this whole time in the background.
Heck that's probably why I thought about the post, no conspiracy or complicated plots, I just watch it and go "Japan can never do this." Of course, they probably can, and maybe will, maybe even soon, but it requires a certain like aesthetic purity that I just don't really know if it's ever been their strength or see that often. So when it comes to anime I kind of skim over the stuff that tries to succeed simply by being "mature" or pure because it can never really be at that level. At worst, I just see it as a failed attempt.
Instead I tend to get stuck on stuff like Tiger and Bunny, which yeah is pretty silly, but it's also pretty clever and funny (which are important and cool qualities), and that's probably a lot more than you could say for a good number of KPOP stars. In fact, Japan has a number of unique qualities (in entertainment and otherwise) that aren't replicated elsewhere and which are pretty cool and attract me to it, but "maturity" (at least in an extreme sense) hasn't really always been one of them IMO.
That said yeah I mean I can believe it in Ghibli, or other top anime like HxH or Madoka, but 98% of the time it's fake and it seems to have reached critical mass recently.
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So skimming through the last two posts, Japan can't pull off maturity and innocence, or something.
My head hurts. I'm not sure what's happening.
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My head hurts. I'm not sure what's happening.
This happens to you a lot when I post.
That does seem to be common.
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My head hurts. I'm not sure what's happening.
The word edgy had become pretty meaningless anyhow.
If am to believe the typical anime watcher/ manga reader that uses that word then Berserk, FZ, Psycho Pass and yes even Madoka are edgy anime/manga.
So in short I don't even tend to take the word edgy seriously anymore.
Nah, I like HxH and LotG, but they're not my favorites. To this day my favorite anime is Princess Mononoke & Nausicca of the Valley of the Wind. Now, that's not to say they're my favorites because I'm mature( lol, that would be a blatant lie )but I like them because of their subject matter, characters, beautiful artwork and story. I swear I had a point when I started writing this, but **** If I know what it was.Eh yeah it's fine, honestly wasn't really expecting to think about it so much, I think I'm just thinking about how if I want some super edgy (or whatever) it's going to be from the US or SK or something. No matter how "edgy" or "mature" Japan gets it just feels like they will always trail behind, Japan (or... really whoever is making anime kind of stuff wherever they are), is cool to me not really when they push the limits or the outliers but make a satisfying harmonious thing in the middle somewhere. (Samurai X, FMA, GTO, whatever)
That's not to say they shouldn't try to be all things but I don't really seem them as getting very close I guess is my point, perhaps even going backwards in some instances. Like lets say... Tokyo Ghoul is about as edgy as Pokemon or something, it's a strictly superficial appeal to "edigness."
I mean isn't pretty much everyone's favorite anime here some older (or at least less edgy) thing? I'm sure there are some exceptions but it's been mostly LogH, or HxH, or maybe even GITS or something, or possibly Ghibli movies or whatever. PMMM is more recent and I guess where the edgy thing worked, but it's building off a base from 20 years ago (Sailor Moon),
Edgy? Of all silly words to discuss that might be one of the most silly words to even talk about. It's so meaningless and on top of that the word mean half a billion things depending on who is speaking. I've seen no more of the "edgy" animes appearing than any other media and honestly would say I've seen less of it as of late.
So in short.. Puddi says reasonable stuff. Might be a good idea to listen him at this. Puddi get a good cookie!
Oregairu episode 9 was good.
Wish they did Yukino's scene a little better though but what you gonna do, it was still a very good moment.
Can't wait to see Hachiman and Yukino rise again next episode.
I'm kind of worried what they'll do when after they're done with Volume 9 though. There is no way they can do Volume 10 with the last 3 episodes or so unless they rush it like crazy so in this case I'm hoping they adapt Vol 10.5 or they make some anime original content which is something I'm normally not a big fan of but I'd prefer it to them rushing Vol 10.
Everything would be better if there were more onii-chan
Peace peace
Worst character in the series.
Oregairu episode 9 was good.
Wish they did Yukino's scene a little better though but what you gonna do, it was still a very good moment.
Can't wait to see Hachiman and Yukino rise again next episode.
I'm kind of worried what they'll do when after they're done with Volume 9 though. There is no way they can do Volume 10 with the last 3 episodes or so unless they rush it like crazy so in this case I'm hoping they adapt Vol 10.5 or they make some anime original content which is something I'm normally not a big fan of but I'd prefer it to them rushing Vol 10.
Good, good! Will watch the episode later today but it shall be the first of the million shows of today as always.
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