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Fair enough. ^_^

I of course didn't mean the 10 episode mark to be anything binding really, it's certainly very relative to overall length. In Level E it took me 4 or 5 episodes to like the series, the other half to love it.

But really, I'm just hoping that the 1999 Hunter X Hunter gets picked up by more people. It's sadly less popular than the dragging-on type of, well, shonen.

Haven't the time to think of more original comments than "too shonen" atm. Sorry for that. :)


No problem.^_^ I liked the old one as well, but the new HxH goes past Greed Island. Won't help much after the Hunter Chairman Election arc though.

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The reason why it was toned down was due to the new censorship laws that was passed in the early 2000s for television shows. So now you either don't put too gory or pervy stuff in your shows or you have to add censors to entice viewers to buy the BDs.



Can't say Inoticed.

Anime is still choke full of perversions.


Yes, but as long as there is a censor bar over what is the most perverted part for television there; it's still air-able.

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I'm skeptical to check out Hunter x hunter due to the length. Am I wrong? I hate Bleach and I find Naruto, Fairy tail and One piece to be giant mehs due to the lengths. Is there something about this that makes it any better then them?

@TMH

Just curious, did After Story manage to make you cry at all?


Well I think what you want is the over-arcing plot to be achievable within a reason able length. Bleach just gets monster of the day attacks. So all Ichigo does is protect the town. Fairy Tail: Natsu is "trying" to find his parent that disappeared. One Piece is about trying obtain Gold Rodger's treasure to become king of the pirates.

Thinking within the fighting tournaments, all I can think of is Mobile Fighter G Gundam and Flame of Recca. Flame of Recca was average at best; which dealt with ninjas. Mobile Fighter G Gundam is a mecha anime were people use the tournament to determine who gets to rule the world. But if we just look at the fighting genre, you end up with Baki the Grappler (a boxing anime with several seasons), a lot of ecchi fighting anime, some Street Fighter anime, and JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (I have no clue what it is about).

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Well I think what you want is the over-arcing plot to be achievable within a reason able length.


Length does not matter as long as its not full of fillers and tons of plot that really served no purpose but to meaninglessly entertain me for that short period. If the story can keep the quality consistently going then I will stick around, but the moment I hit an arc that starts to bore me I will quit if I do not believe theres any significant longterm payoff.

One thing is good combat/visuals alone is not enough to keep me watching something. I need there to be a decent plot if I am going to invest lots of time.

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Finished Casshern Sins.

Overwhelmingly meh if I had to say anything about it.

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OMG

That RPG episode.

F*ck that was good.

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Isichar wrote...

Siradix wrote...

Well I think what you want is the over-arcing plot to be achievable within a reason able length.


Length does not matter as long as its not full of fillers and tons of plot that really served no purpose but to meaninglessly entertain me for that short period. If the story can keep the quality consistently going then I will stick around, but the moment I hit an arc that starts to bore me I will quit if I do not believe theres any significant longterm payoff.

One thing is good combat/visuals alone is not enough to keep me watching something. I need there to be a decent plot if I am going to invest lots of time.


Fate/Zero? The animation is top. The story involves using legendary heroes that are summoned to battle one another for the holy grail. The winner has to defeat the other six masters. Be it through killing the master or the servant (the hero that was summoned). When the game is finally over, the winner gets their wish granted by the holy grail. The main cast consists of adults, and they all have different reasons for fighting for the grail (this includes their servants). The show itself is also aimed at an older crowd (Seinen). You don't need to watch Fate/Stay Night to understand this show, as it explains everything for new viewers. While the show gives a backstory for everyone, you will be primarily following Shirou and Saber.

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Siradix wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Siradix wrote...

Well I think what you want is the over-arcing plot to be achievable within a reason able length.


Length does not matter as long as its not full of fillers and tons of plot that really served no purpose but to meaninglessly entertain me for that short period. If the story can keep the quality consistently going then I will stick around, but the moment I hit an arc that starts to bore me I will quit if I do not believe theres any significant longterm payoff.

One thing is good combat/visuals alone is not enough to keep me watching something. I need there to be a decent plot if I am going to invest lots of time.


Fate/Zero? The animation is top. The story involves using legendary heroes that are summoned to battle one another for the holy grail. The winner has to defeat the other six masters. Be it through killing the master or the servant (the hero that was summoned). When the game is finally over, the winner gets their wish granted by the holy grail. The main cast consists of adults, and they all have different reasons for fighting for the grail (this includes their servants). The show itself is also aimed at an older crowd (Seinen). You don't need to watch Fate/Stay Night to understand this show, as it explains everything for new viewers. While the show gives a backstory for everyone, you will be primarily following Shirou and Saber.


Watched Fate/Zero and I was pretty impressed for the most part. Its shorter, well animated, gets to the point and had some great fight scenes. The guy who wrote the story, Gen Urobuchi is one of my favorites in anime, especially after watching Madoka Magica.

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Isichar wrote...

Watched Fate/Zero and I was pretty impressed for the most part. Its shorter, well animated, gets to the point and had some great fight scenes. The guy who wrote the story, Gen Urobuchi is one of my favorites in anime, especially after watching Madoka Magica.


Well if Urobuchi is one of your favorite anime writers, probably no point in recommending a show he has written, like Psycho-Pass. (As you probably already watched them) He seems to write a lot of anime that has dark or psychological undertones. Is that something you're interested in? But you want action scenes.

Claymore? It's about superhuman women that are half-demon, who go to towns hunting other demons. When a claymore loose control of their power they become a demon that the others have to hunt down and slay. Only problem is that the show ends on a cliffhanger, and a bad one. Still a good show. It's similar to Berserk I guess.

I need more info on what you want to watch.

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Siradix wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Watched Fate/Zero and I was pretty impressed for the most part. Its shorter, well animated, gets to the point and had some great fight scenes. The guy who wrote the story, Gen Urobuchi is one of my favorites in anime, especially after watching Madoka Magica.


Well if Urobuchi is one of your favorite anime writers, probably no point in recommending a show he has written, like Psycho-Pass. (As you probably already watched them) He seems to write a lot of anime that has dark or psychological undertones. Is that something you're interested in? But you want action scenes.

Claymore? It's about superhuman women that are half-demon, who go to towns hunting other demons. When a claymore loose control of their power they become a demon that the others have to hunt down and slay. Only problem is that the show ends on a cliffhanger, and a bad one. Still a good show. It's similar to Berserk I guess.

I need more info on what you want to watch.


The genres I like are Slice of Life, Phsychological, horror, action, deconstructive and certain kinds of romances as well as tragedies if handled well. I have read both the Claymore and Berserk mangas already, Claymore I like and Berserk I love other then the fact it will never be finished.

Madoka & Clannad are my alltime favorite animes so far. Also really like Watamote, FMA:BH, Welcome to the NHK, Attack on Titan, Kill La Kill, Chunibyou, Fate/Zero, Cowboy Bebop, Death note (first half only), Serial Experiments Lain as a few other examples.

Theres not a whole lot that I don't care for or actively dislike that Ive seen lately. Never been a big fan of harems, nor have I really ever watched any sports related. Its really just lengthy ones I tend to avoid the most since I rarely find the time investment actually pays off.

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So, this Nagi-Asu... almost dropped it in the first two minutes because MC is a first-class douche, but that aside, lot of feels packed in these first few episodes. Even if they're all a bunch of stupid kids.

The animation is something else too. Really, really good. Much serene.

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Can't say Inoticed.

Anime is still choke full of perversions.


Yes, but as long as there is a censor bar over what is the most perverted part for television there; it's still air-able.


I don't see them censoring little girls in sexualized scenarios, or gysers of blood.
But a niple?Oh, the horror!




But if we just look at the fighting genre, you end up with Baki the Grappler (a boxing anime with several seasons), a lot of ecchi fighting anime, some Street Fighter anime, and JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (I have no clue what it is about).


Fighting anime? Most shonen would fall into that, wouldn't they?

Street Fighter animes are...meh. What can you expectfrom a beat-them up game? Characters and plots are generally pretty thin/stupid.

Fighting anime that I can think off atm that weren't mentioned:

- The Mightiest Desciple Kenichi (kenpachi?... Or something)
- Saint Seiya
- Fist of the Northstar

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That Suicide episode in Paranoia Agent must have been the most f*cked up, funniest, sweetest thing I've seen in my life.

Plus, the realisation in the end made my eyes fall out. Seriously, I only ever caught onto that in the end for some reason. It was funny though, the entire episode flashed before my mind and I started connecting all the dots.

It was awesome non the less.

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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I don't see them censoring little girls in sexualized scenarios, or gysers of blood.
But a niple?Oh, the horror!


That's what Japan has decided is fine for TV at this moment. Future Diary and Deadman Wonderland shows exactly how much detail they can put into violent scenes now.(The Japanese TV versions)

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Fighting anime? Most shonen would fall into that, wouldn't they?

Street Fighter animes are...meh. What can you expectfrom a beat-them up game? Characters and plots are generally pretty thin/stupid.

Fighting anime that I can think off atm that weren't mentioned:

- The Mightiest Desciple Kenichi (kenpachi?... Or something)
- Saint Seiya
- Fist of the Northstar


If the fights themselves are the center points of the story. I started listing shonen a few pages back, in fact History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi was what I put first too. But it sounds like Isichar wants something that isn't too long, and if a shonen, not your average shonen.

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The genres I like are Slice of Life, Phsychological, horror, action, deconstructive and certain kinds of romances as well as tragedies if handled well. I have read both the Claymore and Berserk mangas already, Claymore I like and Berserk I love other then the fact it will never be finished.

Madoka & Clannad are my alltime favorite animes so far. Also really like Watamote, FMA:BH, Welcome to the NHK, Attack on Titan, Kill La Kill, Chunibyou, Fate/Zero, Cowboy Bebop, Death note (first half only), Serial Experiments Lain as a few other examples.

Theres not a whole lot that I don't care for or actively dislike that Ive seen lately. Never been a big fan of harems, nor have I really ever watched any sports related. Its really just lengthy ones I tend to avoid the most since I rarely find the time investment actually pays off.


I like to say that Little Busters' ending was actually handled better then Clannad. I still don't like how things were resolved in Clannad.

Steins;Gate is slow on the start, but does the whole time travel completely different from the norm and messes with your head. Plus you get a little bit of John Titor ("time traveler" poster IRL) thrown into the mix.

Chihayafuru is a deconstruction of the bishounen genre and doesn't bore you to death with the sport of karuta. (By the way I hate majority of sports anime)

Future Diary is a psychological survival game to become god, but you will be following Yuki. He's probably the weakest out of all the players. Lots of scaredy cat moments with him.

Persona 4 has your slice of life murder mystery. It's easy to figure out who done it, but the protagonist can stand on his own two feet.

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Future Diary is a psychological survival game to become god, but you will be following Yuki. He's probably the weakest out of all the players. Lots of scaredy cat moments with him.


Ugh... Yuki.

The rest of the characters are great, and the story is so fun and twisted! You'll love it :-)

Lots of feels too.

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mm I do like my stories fun, twisted and full of dem feels, this is true.

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I like to say that Little Busters' ending was actually handled better then Clannad. I still don't like how things were resolved in Clannad.

Steins;Gate is slow on the start, but does the whole time travel completely different from the norm and messes with your head. Plus you get a little bit of John Titor ("time traveler" poster IRL) thrown into the mix.

Chihayafuru is a deconstruction of the bishounen genre and doesn't bore you to death with the sport of karuta. (By the way I hate majority of sports anime)

Future Diary is a psychological survival game to become god, but you will be following Yuki. He's probably the weakest out of all the players. Lots of scaredy cat moments with him.

Persona 4 has your slice of life murder mystery. It's easy to figure out who done it, but the protagonist can stand on his own two feet.


Steins;Gate has been recommended by a few people so thats one I would strongly consider trying out.

The Chihayafuru actually kind of interests me too mainly since its a bit different then the type of stuff I usually watch, I like to try new genres.

I dont know much about Little busters but I see its done by the same guys who did the visual novels for angel beats and Clannad so that could be worth a try. I find their stuff is a bit hit and miss although I do think they are one of the best companies for handling emotional moments. Is it same kind of tear jerking content Ive come to expect from key?

Genre prefrences aside which one of the animes you suggested would you personally recommend checking out the most?

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Steins;Gate would be the first one I suggest watching. The psychological aspect creeps into the story, which I like. The way the show uses the urban legend of John Titor to set things up is great. The time travel itself is unique.

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Twelfth episode of Paranoia Agent.

I still have no idea what the f*ck is going on.

There is no logic here.

ETA: I'm about to watch the last episode. Either this gets explained well or it's the dumbest thing I've seen since Deadly Premonition's conclusion.

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Okay.

That was a waste of my time.

*sigh*

Unless there is some deeper meaning that I cannot hope to comprehend, all I saw was rubbish.

The show began interesting, it made sense. You had recurring victims of an attacker who seemed to target people who were, as the show said, emotionally cornered. So then, who is the culprit I ask? A logical question to the situation, no? Yet, when the show progressed things just spiralled out of control, the laws of that world were broken and then all you are left with is the hopes that your suspension of disbelief will take it.

This is what I call 'dumb psychology.' At first, the show is very interesting. Indeed, the different arcs and their personal struggles were great! I could accept that a person would see the world red instead of blue; I could understand how it represented their trauma and their pain.

But...

But the thing is when these illusions collide, when two characters share the same illusion, you step beyond the boundaries of psychology and into the world of the supernatural.

This would be fine if the supernatural was already established. Take Death Note, for example, Light kills through supernatural means, but the show never shies away from it. We accept that this is how the laws of that universe works and we come to terms with a situation that should be unbelievable.

However, when the anime fails to do this, and then rubs it into your face as psychology I get really annoyed. It's intentionally vague; it makes you think this is a murder mystery and it ends up a bloody Tim Burton movie.

So was Lil' Slugger a figment of her imagination? Did that figment grow into something more? It destroyed Japan, didn't it? Or was it all an illusion from the beginning? Or was it actually a monster?

See, with something is vague I expect it to be reasonably vague. For example, Inception's ending. When something is weird, I expect to be told what these weird things are and how they work prior to the story's progression, I want to *know* that I'm watching something supernatural before being led to believe it was something else. It'd be like Planescape Torment making you go through Sigil after 20 hours in New York with no explanation as to how you got there, if you are actually there, or if you're just dreaming.

This isn't good writing. It's lazy. It pisses me off. Oh, I loved the individual arcs when they existed in their own realm, but when the whole thing just blew up into something ridiculous it just reminded me of Deadly Premonition again. The difference being, that I still love that game.


P.S I don't blame you guys; it's just a matter of taste here. I hate it when things like this happen, especially in Japanese fiction (I'm looking at you FF.) For some reason these things pop up all the time. Look at FFVII, when Tifa is suddenly in the... lifestream? Within Cloud's...subconscious? What? See, these things are never explained to us prior to their happening. We are expected to accept it simply because we are playing a game within the realm of fantasy. If it didn't just jump out of what could be considered the 'norm' in that universe, then perhaps, but giant leaps like that require a decent explanation, and can't just *be* there because "yes, and I say so."

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So...

Clannad or Wolf's Rain next?

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So...

Clannad or Wolf's Rain next?

With two bad options i relucantly point you in the direction of Clannad.

:( Its by far the lesser of two evils here.

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Master Warder Z wrote...

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So...

Clannad or Wolf's Rain next?

With two bad options i relucantly point you in the direction of Clannad.

:( Its by far the lesser of two evils here.






I've heard nothing but praise for Wolf's Rain.

Is it...objectivley bad? Well... how can one really know that?

Well, does it personally annoy you like Paranoia Agent annoyed me? But still, all things considering, it's not a bad show?

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My friend's liked Wolf's Rain but they like everything, I'd take it with a grain of salt.

I'd say Clannad because of the humor, it's far different than Paranoia Agent.

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Clannad it is then.

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Clannad it is then.


Loved that series.

The first season and half of the second season are decent but the last half of season two really made this series a must watch in my books. 

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Steins;Gate would be the first one I suggest watching. The psychological aspect creeps into the story, which I like. The way the show uses the urban legend of John Titor to set things up is great. The time travel itself is unique.


Yeah I am going to check this one out after the next couple I had planned.

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Clannad isn't that bad, at least in my opinion. I rather enjoyed it. I haven't watched the other show, so I don't have an opinion on that.

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Yeah I am going to check this one out after the next couple I had planned.

You haven't watched Steins;Gate yet?

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