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[eroeru]

Baccano and Black Lagoon are tops. Also, if one likes Series Experiments Lian, one'd love Texhnolyze.

[Isichar]

Also, if one likes Series Experiments Lian, one'd love Texhnolyze.

 

Well, you just gave me my next anime to watch. I have high expectations now

 

@mhmbaSR1

 

Go with FMA:Brotherhood, it follows the source material much more closely then FMA.

 

P.S. About halfway finished writing up my response.

[CptBomBom00]

kotonoha-no-niwa is da ****, such a good anime movie.

[Dave of Canada]

I cannot into Bakemonogatari, it's... dunno, I don't "get" it. I'm on episode 3 and it was a slog to go through because they're all sitting in the park doing nothing but talk. Am I missing something? Do I have to read the pop-ups that flash rapidly that it's impossible to read anything without pausing?

[Dave of Canada]

Dude, I'm talking about a hot steamy sex scene like every action movie has.

 

Yeah...

 

I'm going there...

Rock probably wouldn't be able to get it up.

[ObserverStatus]

Dude, I'm talking about a hot steamy sex scene like every action movie has.

 

Yeah...

 

I'm going there...

What, do you think he's going to TAKE HER BREATH AWAAAAAAY!?!

[Dave of Canada]

I get it up every time she shoots somebody.

 

Y-you get Rock-hard?

(couldn't resist)

[bmwcrazy]

Weird, I didn't find Angel Beats or Clannad funny at all.

 

If you've already watched Welcome to NHK, I guess you can try some "classics" like School Rumble, FMP Fumoffu, or Honey and Clover.

[Isichar]

so I wanna watch a few funny ones like Angel Beats and Clannad again, any recommendation? Yes, I've watched Kanon and Air is supposed to be depressing so I'm not gonna fall into that one xD

 

 Love, Chunibyo and other delusions maybe? First season was a really good slice of life/comedy/romance.

[Isichar]

I would love to hear your thoughts on themes and social implications actually.

 

I have noticed that different subs have different names for creatures/things in ssy, so sorry if I reference something as an ogre vs. a fiend etc.

and i clicked on your manga link but it said it was licensed/unavailable

 

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numbering these for the sake of organization    

 

1. ok this this makes a lot more sense, in the anime i recall the part about their weapons being taken away, but i also recall someone saying that the corpses had been burned so bad they were unrecognizable, so i thought it was the ogre/fiend. but i am more than willing to accept your story since my viewing was a little rushed and it was stated in the manga directly

 

2. they don't have their power sealed?! that is so crazy, because i hate those scenes, i always feel like the priests are ripping their souls out (one of the reasons i dont like the priests). so this is all from the manga right? because i'm not remembering some of the stuff you mentioned there (strongly implied shun died as result of?)

and in the anime, doesnt saki blame herself because she thought she restored shun's power incorrectly? i always wondered if this appeared in any of the other sources, and whether or not it was treated as credible.

 

detail, in the anime ep4 maybe? i just rewatched it and i picked up on something. the minoshiro was telling saki about the death reflex and how someone has to be conditioned to make it more effective. saki then had a flashback to when she was younger and the priest stabbed himself in the leg (i think) saying 'you're hurting me! you realize you're hurting me?' and saki literally falls onto the floor in a seizure, makes me so mad

 

3. i agree he wouldn't have won. of course he could have just killed her and sacrificed himself, because im pretty sure that the death of shame applies after the fact (in the anime at least) this happens when maria's daughter dies after she finds out kiroumaru's identity. and even if someone did know the identity of the person before they killed them, wouldnt they still be able to do it? since the death of shame mechanism is pretty much turning your blood toxic so you die of cardiac arrest, it would take a while (at least a couple seconds) and would prevent people from premeditated murder, but not much else right?

but kaburagi didnt do that and it makes for a better story. i also thought most of his scenes were well done. made you feel like you were actually watching a master, even if he did act like a jerk

 

4. i wonder which way it was in the novel? taking out mamoru makes a certain kind of sense in the anime (tomiko says taking out the weak link is necessary), but it doesnt really make sense to take out maria

 

5. thats what i was thinking, i just wanted to know since the world would be a better place if she was, provided tomiko didnt brainwash her too much

 

6. i actually didnt think first arc was too bad, i never got bored or anything. besides a lot of the time was used for world/character building, and i prefer that over action anyway. i didnt think that the monster rats were really a main focus (in the beginning at least). they were present throughout and played a pretty big role, but it wasnt until the end that they became a crucial part of the story

 

another detail: so during ep4 the monk rijin kills a whole bunch of monster rats using his cantus to create a tornado. during this sequence saki looks into the tornado and sees this feminine (human) figure riding a scythe (i think). this is obviously supposed to mean something and i have my own ideas about it, but i wanted to get your opinion first.

 

7. i like your response to demx, well thought out and very deep...

not much could have been done admittedly, but i think that is the most important part. you cant condemn someone who's not guilty. they didn't know that maria was going to bear a child that would become a killer, just like they didn't know if the thousands of children they killed were really going to become killers. if you try to make the best moral decisions based on the info you have at the time, then thats great, but to conversely let fear drive your decisions is always a bad thing imo

and hindsight is 20/20, but i find the excuse "you don't know what it was like at the time" terrifying quite frankly. it means you can pretty much justify anything you do now by stating in the future that looking at a situation objectively wasnt possible at the time due to emotional constraints, which is completely subjective. 

i really like your point of view on how saki might have grown as a moral person. given the influences that she had in her life, and the things that happened to her i think that was really an open-ended question. not something i like to speculate on because towards the end she was pretty much tomiko's right hand person, but it also seemed like she stayed true to herself in some parts... still up in the air though

 

8. really? i didnt think that saki and satoru had nearly enough development in the anime. they did have a lot of screen time together, but none where the sole purpose was to build chemistry, as opposed to the scenes with shun/maria. i know their relationship was treated much differently in the novel vs. the anime, so maybe they also had more development in the manga? i was fine with them getting married because they were the only ones left, so there wasnt any other way to go really. and i liked the mature satoru better, he seemed more grounded and thought out. 

this is all pretty much how you relate to each character personally though, so i guess we will just have to agree to disagree 

 

9. you really liked yakomaru that much? i mean he was a terrific villain (*edit: though as you pointed out villain isn't really well defined in this show), and i hated him so that means he was a 'good' character, but still.. *shudders*

 

10. agreed. satoru even says towards the end of the anime that he wants to remember shun's identity so that he could remember who he fell in love with, which also made me think that the relationship should have been dealt with better. as is the emotional impact of that situation was limited because of the lack of development

 

11. i read that the manga was bad that way, i am fine with some here and there but sometimes stuff like that gets old quick. and double standards are never cool

 

12. yeah i think if they would have done the 'over the top' characters in the anime it would have detracted from the atmosphere/tone they were trying to achieve. pretty much what you said about making the show easier to take seriously

 

13. i suppose the animation was a little simplistic, but i still liked it. some character designs would change change drastically for a frame or two whenever they were trying to do close ups. i dont remember this happening with any particular kissing scene, but kissing is a closeup so imagine it did happen and i just didnt notice it. and both of the EC and ep10 were good. i think those parts gave the animators a little more freedom of expression so they could be visually awesome. in other parts of the show they would have had to keep things 'realistic' whereas in those 3 parts the setting was more 'dreamlike'

 

14. definitely liked the ost, you could always tell when something was going to happen because some awesome piece of music would come up. this never really got old for me, but it could have been a little repetitive if you like variety.

 

@demx, I really think that it should be taken in the context of the show, and then taken out of the context of the show (a combination of both my previous statements). I wasn't really saying that I could come up with a way to use imagination to change ssy after the fact, I was trying to say pretty much what you said in your last post: if people don't think for themselves then they are doomed to a bleak future. use your imagination to analyze the show and apply the moral lessons to your life so that something like that never occurs

 

@isichar: so i started puella magi madoka magica tonight, its a little different than all the other animes I have watched, but seems interesting. im not really sure what the plot is at this point but im not that far in so I will be patient. anything I should know before I get too far in?

and any other suggested animes you might have would be nice too, since we seem to have similar taste

 

Theres a few differences in terminology between the different translations I can think of off the top of my head

 

Power/Cantus

Faze cats/Impure cats

Ogre/Fiend

Squealer/Squera

 

 

I'll see if I can find different links to the manga that will work later, but its not important, I was just referencing the source where I was getting the info from.

 

Shin Sekai Yori spoilers below..

 

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1. It could have been stated much more clearly in the anime. Its more of an oversight then anything else. It could be they did not want to give away any hints early on as to the real nature behind the 'ogre' but it does seem to be a common point of misunderstanding in the series for people.

 

2. Yeah, the anime adds a lot to the summer vacation arc as well as changing a few details, some of which are rather interesting.

 

 -  In the anime the kids run into a False Minoshiro, question it, the monk shows up, kills the False Minoshiro and then seals there powers. The monk is soon killed, the kids are split up and the story follows Saki and Satoru as they are saved by Squera, who with Sotaru's powers defeats a large portion of the Ground Spider forces before Kiroumaru shows up to finish it and the kids are reunited. The time skip occurs and then the events following Shuns descent into a Karmic Demon occur.

 

Tbh I never fully understood the whole thing with sealing and unsealing the powers in the anime, and I was not entirely sure how seriously to take Saki's speculation that she caused it by restoring the powers incorrectly. I would be interested to see how the novel handled this since the anime and manga are quite different, but I got the impression that it was something that was dormant (albeit it rare) in everyone. This is one point I will have to eventually go back and watch for to see if it is actually described properly.

 

 - In the manga the kids end up running into the Ground Spiders forces, are forced to run and are saved by Squera, help defend against the initial attack on the caves, and then are saved when Kiroumaru shows up to finish the ground spiders. Its during this arc that Shun begins to grow sick and ends with him transforming following the events with Kiroumaru. As Shun is transforming Saki finds him and he explains to her what is happening and that she must live on. Despite his last request Saki refuses to leave Shuns side and he uses his powers to fly them above earth and into space to share one last moment, but explains the backlash of using his powers like that would end up consuming him. Before he dies he tell Saki to find the False Minoshiro and to create a world in which people do not have to suffer the same fate that himself and Reiko did. She expresses that she does not have the strength to do it and his final words are "You can do anything, Saki" (this was a pretty epic moment in the manga to be honest).

 

A few days pass following these events, Saki and her friends have their memories altered but Saki ends up remembering everything almost immediately after, at which point she takes her friends and they find the False Minoshiro that answers there questions, only this time Mamoru gets nervous listening to it (since it was discussing things considered taboo by the village) and uses his powers to blow it away (Ironically becoming the one that Yakomaru captures and uses as his source of information).

 

 

3. I often wondered this myself. Objectively the 'ogre' was no more powerful then anyone else (ultimately it was just an average Cantus user), Shishei was actually stronger and it became clear that he was willing to sacrifice his life (particularly so in the manga) so why could he not just kamakaze?

 

A line in the manga suggests that the death of shame does not only kill the user who hurts someone of the same race, but also actively prevents you from willingly harming them: Shishei launches a ton of missiles at the 'ogre' who is unable to react in time to stop them, the arrows stop themselves right before making contact, to which Satoru comments "I knew it... nobody can overcome the attack suppression gene.." saki adds "Humans can't attack fiends..."

 

This is pretty consistent with what we see in the anime too. Since we never see a human willingly harm someone who they perceive to be of the same race. Probably just another oversight on the animes part.

 

On a side note it does sort of make sense when you think about why 'ogres' are so powerful and feared, they are really the only ones who can go all out without worrying. A regular cantus user has practically no way of killing an 'Ogre' regardless of how willing they are to sacrifice themselves.

 

4. I will get back to you if I ever end up checking out a translation of the novel, but honestly neither Maria nor Mamoru were particular threats to the village until they left. In the anime Tomiko states it was a brash decision to attempt to take out Mamoru and in the manga it seems like Maria was only targeted because she got dragged alongside Saki on her escapades. Regardless of who it happened to and why it was an irrational decision based on fear by the village and ironically is the spark of events that lead to everything they feared occurring.

 

5. I don't think there was much brainwashing done outside altering memories. Tomiko wanted Saki to become the next leader for a reason, and I didn't get the impression it was because Saki could be controlled, if anything the opposite is probably true. If anyone could make their society better, it would be Saki.

 

Saki's decision to grant Squealer peace is, as I see it, exactly why she was chosen by Tomiko to be a leader. Tomiko understood that the world was a cruel place, and needed someone who could see that, but still strive to make a better future. I like to think that regardless of the fear and ignorance shown by the villagers, that they did essentially trust Tamiko's judgement and trust in Saki by the end.

 

At the very least in the anime we are shown scenes afterwords that suggest that no serious punishment (like death or imprisonment) was taken against her.

 

6. A. There was one guy on this forums a few pages back that said he quit because he couldn't stand it. My buddy who I re-watched the series with couldn't stand the monster rats until the end either. For the most part I was willing to go with it, I found it to be a pleasant change in pacing compared to what I was use to, and the setting intrigued me well enough. Its good it didn't bother you, there's plenty of slow burners out there that are well told stories.

 

I will say this much, I don't think its a series you can fully appreciate until you've made it to the very end. The rest of the series would have been a good watch but the final episode is what makes the series leave such a strong impression on me in more ways then one. So I'd still call it a slow burner in that sense.

 

B. It could be the powers of imagination taken more literally, meaning it was an image Rijin had imagined. It would not be the first time that someones subconscious manifested itself in the users powers(possibly from power leakage?), like right before Kofu dies he talks about the art within him dying and shoots out a light with a woman's figure behind it.

 

7. I think she changed throughout the story, but in a good way. Near the beginning of the series Saki uses her powers to save a monster rat from drowning in a lake, even though that went against the towns rules. Afterwords is when she gets her first good look at a monster rat up close she reacts in disgust at its appearance, and tries to leave before it can even thank her. I like how we get to see her moral side to rescue another life, followed by an ignorant reaction at seeing something so different from herself. The story does a lot to screw with that initial impression as she grows up. There's tons of other moments I could mention, but the two most obvious examples would be Maria and Mamoru's child getting raised to believe she is a monster rat instead of a human, and the final twist revealing the monster rats really came from humans.

 

I liked Saki so much because she actually questions what it means to be moral, and by the end admits that she no longer even knows whats right and wrong. Yet she still strives to make the right decision to make a better future despite acknowledging that she has no real way of knowing what that is. Saki was always naturally someone who will attempt to be moral, but it took her a while to fully grasp what being moral means. I find her final scene with Squealer as she grants him peace proof of what a strong person she ended up becoming.

 

That's how I like to see it at least.

 

8. In the manga they receive less development. Satoru and Saki did have the least romantic chemistry but I still felt they developed the most together, mainly since hes the only one she really got to grow up with. I did think Saki/Maria made a cute couple and I wish that had not ended so tragically, but even when she was with Maria she mostly just pined for Shun. Shun understood Saki and connected with her emotionally more then anyone but their relationship is not given time to develop past that initial spark.

 

aw hell, we all know Saki/Mamoru is the best ship

 

9. Yeah, I thought he was just such a great antagonist that the she would have not been the same without him. When you first meet him, you think almost nothing of him... there was so much else in the settings lore that I was interested in seeing. Hes one of the weakest intelligent life forms in a world of people who have evolved powers, and yet with a bit of luck and a ton of cunning he manages to put the strongest most dominant race at serious risk of getting wiped out. How does he do that? By taking a human, convincing her that shes a monster rat, thus allowing her to kill other humans freely, as they cannot fight her. And what is hilarious about it all is that monster rats are actually human! Perception is such a fickle thing and that magnificent bastard messed with it until the very end.

 

I think he understood the world better then almost everyone in the setting. He knew where he and his race stood in life, and how they were viewed and chose to better their position when given the chance, I can't exactly blame him, although there's no getting around that he had to pay the consequences for failure. The final episode with him going back to his original name and proclaiming he was human, as he stood naked in front of a human court as they laughed at him was an interesting scene. You get to see him come full circle and bitterly accept his 'tragic' fate knowing how close he had came to succeeding.

 

He played a major role in how Saki developed, screwed with a world of people that looked down on him as a lesser life form, screwed with my initial perception of the monster rats being a lame and typical enemy and ended up being one of the most cunning characters in the story. I just have to give him props for being way more awesome then he had any rights to be.

 

10. This is another thing I would like to see the source material for, since the manga and anime handle this so differently. In the manga there was no indication that the two had a relationship, especially since Shun becomes a Karmic Demon much earlier in his life.

 

11. The manga is sure to draw in people because: loli yuri sex, but it doesn't add anything to the story, and well I don't mind sex in stories, it's clearly done for the sake of fanservice in this case.

 

12. From a literary point of view I felt the anime is better, but I'm glad I've gone through both tbh. There are moments that I preferred the manga over the anime, like how the manga actually explains how Squealer got a False Minoshiro. I also felt characters that were in the story shorter, like Reiko, are more memorable in the manga then the anime because of the over the top characterizations.

 

13. Overall, the animation and OST did a good job in setting the tone for the show. I just remember the kissing scene just looked like someone had formed play-doh lips and were slamming them against each other

 

Yeah, I definitely thought the dreamlike moments was when the art style really excelled. I love the surreal kind of art styles (as you will probably notice well watching Madoka).

 

14. Maybe I'm just too use to animes that have different unique tracks for each character. I did think it fit the shows style quite well, and I would get the OST, so overall I would say it was good.

 

Themes and social implications...

Spoiler

 

As I see it Shin Sekai Yori is a people versus society story, that deals with how society and the people in it handled fear, relationships, discrimination, knowledge and morality. There's also an underlying question behind the series: what does it means to be human? The story very strongly challenges us to understand perspectives that differ from our own and question the value we place on our own opinions and lives versus others.

 

Fear the children - Children are portrayed as the biggest threat to the village, because what its possible for them to turn into. When you value the life of 1 child versus that of the society, the society will win. Its scary when you think of how many children's lives are discarded just to protect their own lives. I also can't help but wonder how a society could ever grow to be better when its so terrified of any form of future it does not understand. Although Tomiko had knowledge from her age, she also was driven by fear. I think she understood that the village needed someone like Saki if it had any chance of creating a better future.

 

Knowledge is power - Just by obtaining knowledge and understanding the situation Squealer was able to push humanity to the brink of extinction. Early Cantus users also manipulated later societies knowledge of the monster rats in order to make it so they could be controlled without Cantus users having to worry about the restrictions they had due to the death of shame. The children constantly had their memories altered in order to make them more accepting of the village. In the end the 'ogre' was defeated simply by making it believe it had killed a monster rat. How our perception changes based on our knowledge of a situation, and how big of a difference that knowledge can make is pretty scary. Knowledge was more dangerous then Cantus was.

 

So, what does it mean to be human in the context of the series? Does it come down to looks? how we are raised? How many chromosomes you have? Its another open ended question, like morality I think it comes down to your perspective of the situation. 

 

Those are a few of the ones that stood out to me.

 

Well, I could make this longer but that's about all I can stomach typing for now tbh so I'm going to leave it at that

[Isichar]

And the second?

 

 

So far its been entertaining, I'm not sure if it will be able to reach the height of the first season though.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I've seen this before in this thread but it should be posted again because it's a win:

 

[Lotion Soronarr]

I liked Black Lagoon more in the beginning..when things were more down to earth.

 

Revy has turned into a terminator. Biting trough steel blades, dodging bullets and all that super-human crap can go to hell and die.

[Lotion Soronarr]

I prefer my "normal human characters" to be normal humans. and badass despite being human, not given "fake" badassery by gaining convenient superpowers for the rule of cool.

That said, unfortunately a lot of people don't understand that it takes more than power to make a strong character. They take strength too literally (as in physical combat).