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[Lotion Soronarr]

Yeah Cowboy Bebop or something. There's Bebop, she worked on Darker Than Black, and Ghost in the Shell: SAC. There's more but those are the only ones that I've watched.

 

She also did Escaflowne (epic soundrtack) and Aquarion...others too.
 

[Isichar]

This weekend I'll definitely make time for Rebellion.

 

Pfft, and you guys telling me to wait for the blu-ray xD

 

HAR!

 

I'm waiting on my blu-ray copy in the mail, in the meantime I couldn't resist checking out the dvd copy that was floating around online

[Isichar]

So now that there's a dark setting for the forum, I'm back!

 

sort of. Still haven't started any new series or anything, I was contemplating starting Eureka Seven but then I got side-tracked with homework and now I'm debating on starting The Tatami Galaxy.

 

OH BOY, INDECISION.

All indecision will end once the new Berserk comes out in a few days, I'm just hoping they get off the damn boat.

 

Welcome back! Was wondering where you were. Also can't wait for Berserk, been waiting over a year for a chapter =/

[Puzzlewell]

Isi: I'm going to go get myself some coffee so that I can properly reply to your points without just making stupid sleepy noises but thank you! I get so stupidly excited to discuss the series in general so this will be fun. :3

[Isichar]

Isi: I'm going to go get myself some coffee so that I can properly reply to your points without just making stupid sleepy noises but thank you! I get so stupidly excited to discuss the series in general so this will be fun. :3

I'll warn you, a lot of it is just me gushing on about Homura.. I probably could have condensed and organized it a bit better but I know the moment I start editing it I would just start remembering more things I wanted to talk about and add.

@Sim

Yeah the moment a 720p copy was available I broke. It was hard enough resisting watching it when the LQ streamed version was floating around.

[Puzzlewell]

Alright! Coffee is now working on it's job of making me a bit less of a mental zombie so now it's crack the knuckles time and continue this wonderful conversation. I'll likewise chime in that getting to have these lengthy conversations with you about the series make my day as well. :3 And don't you worry, gushing about both Homura and Sayaka is something I do far too much for me to ever consider it a bad thing.

On a quick not spoily note, I have some good news! The original group that was working on translating the Madoka Portable game quit sometime last year if I remember correctly *but* another group picked it up and it looks like we might have a demo come this month! https://www.facebook.com/tradukosoft That squealing sound you hear? Probably me.



Now, time to get back to the fun part.

Spoiler

Firstly, please don't ever feel you have to apologize when we ramble at each other. I know, it sounds silly considering I do the very same thing but I really do enjoy it and it's so nice to be able to have these lengthy conversations on a topic dear to our hearts. This might be all over the place cause well, feelings and getting to discuss them with you makes my brain roll around in happy places.

I do want to say that I'm thankful for you explaining the scene near the end where Homura acts like the embodiment of despair for each of the girls. My headache at the time was getting incredibly bad by that point so I initially had trouble wrapping my head around the wonderful little intricacy of the scene. I mean I registered the notion of at least Sayaka seeing and being forced to interact Kyosuke and Hitomi together but I hadn't yet pondered the idea that it was Homura pulling a bit of a power play to do the little things that would make each of the girls squirm. I love it, cause now it makes the slightly later scene where she breaks with Madoka that much better.

Back when I watched the series, I went on a few five million word speeches on my Tumblr regarding it and the main point I'll bring back up from those is despair. I mostly guided that topic in relation to Sayaka and how I felt that Gen absolutely nailed a wonderful representation of how it can truly wrap its way around one's heart and the decline that comes with it. I personally watched Unlimited Translation Works' version of the subs and I have to say that from a personal standpoint, I prefer their wording from what I've seen of the original series. See, when I watched it, I was hopping steadily along, getting little points here and there that came close to my personal viewpoints but it wasn't until I got to episode 7 that the mentions of the series being soul crushing hit me properly. The Elsa Maria fight is another I love because not only is it visual appealing but it's almost terrifying in that it shows the true beginning of Sayaka's own despair. Their wording for the end of the episode is what got me though: It's true! If I just detach myself... It doesn't hurt at all!

 

I'll incredibly vaguely note that there most definitely have been times in my life where I've been hurt to the point where I wonder if just detaching myself would save me from ever feeling that again. Episode 8 from their translation had the title of 'I Really Was an Idiot' which once again, hit that same point in my brain because those words have popped in multiple times when I found myself wrapped up in despair. Because of their word choice, Sayaka became one of the most important characters to me because I knew how she felt. If that made things weird, I apologize. It's a series that greatly affects me because of the ways I can relate to the girls. Another little nod to Sayaka and Kyouko that I forgot to mention last night was that during the rescue, at one point Oktavia is using Kyouko's spear and that just made me smile. :3 Overall I'm just very happy with what Rebellion did with Sayaka's character because she was one of the ones I connected with the strongest, and her original send off just didn't feel quite as good as it could have been. Whether or not her and Kyouko are actually something is of course up in the air, but it's clear at the very least that they've had a positive effect on each other. I do take a lot of amusement in that Kyouko initially was what my brain said 'Oh well, here's the spit fire for the group. Hrm.' That's not to say I don't enjoy those characters as Asuka is very dear to me from NGE but true to form, once her self centered outlook was explained, she wormed her way into my heart. That's exactly why first impressions should never be the be all, end all when it comes to people. We all have our own stories and reasonings behind things, even if the character flaws can take work to get around.

 

That's some misc rambling out of the way. Let's face it, the meat of our conversations tend to boil right down to Homura and I love that because she truly is one of the greatest characters I've ever witnessed.

 

Spoiler

I'd say run away now but it's probably safe to say we both can't. X3 Judging by some of the ramblings I've seen on Tumblr since finishing the series, a lot of folks wanted her to have some sort of quintessential typical fantasy ending. Whether or not it's getting the girl, who knows but I suppose they're upset because her shift turned dark. I'm not going to lie, that's another thing that continued the connection I feel with her character. When left in one's own thoughts long enough, especially when held down by the more negative outlooks and attempting to shoulder all of your burdens alone, it only feels natural that eventually one's mind could slip towards the darker outlooks. I'm wondering if I can find the image that originally spoiled Homucifer for me... It's really quite amusing. Okay, I did a quick search and it appears I can't but it was a mockup of the End of Evangelion cover with the characters swapped out and the text was pretty much 'Holy ****. Did she just become the devil?' I laughed for some time even after grumbling about that one.

 

Her shift to the darker mode of thinking just made sense to me. See, a friend and myself have had some extensive talks about the nature of love for quite some time. It can be truly one of the most chaotic and uncontrollable emotions possible. The points we mainly brought up were the fact that there are quiet loves, the sort that feel right, are calming and don't necessarily need to be shouted from the rooftops in order to acknowledge them. Likewise there are the 'insane' loves, the kind that feel all consuming. Now the latter is not necessarily a bad thing but they are the kind that lead to devastation if separation happens. Single-mindedness go hand in hand with the latter as well. If we ponder that this 'insane' love is the sort that Homura feels for Madoka, keeping it quiet for so long and as you've mentioned before, only finally getting the words out at a time when Madoka can't do anything about it because she's transcended those sorts of emotions, Homura's despair just makes sense. In that single-minded outlook, even the pain derived from her time with Madoka is something she cherishes because it counts as a reminder of her in a place where she'll be forever out of Homura's reach. The folks that get bothered by these things, I must admit that it makes me wonder if they've loved someone with a certain intensity and then had things go bad. The mind can lose all sense of being rational in these instances. Love more often than not doesn't make sense to anyone outside of the relationship and that's exactly why I'll copy the quote you used because it was just perfect: It's only natural that you don't understand. Yes... No one in the world could possibly understand. This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone.

 

The fire that burns inside Homura is for Madoka. No one needs to understand it because this is hers. There are times where the head and heart are at war with each other. One part rational, the other part illogical and ruled by desire. Actually, amusingly enough. After I found out about the Homucifer spoiler, I was doing my typical rewatch episodes 9, 10 and 11 and it got me thinking about how the lyrics to Magia very well could be a post series conversation between Madoka and Homura. Again this is with UTW's translation. The funny part comes when I think about the fact that Rebellion didn't change this idea one bit. I'll leave a little lettered note on who my brain interprets the lines to:

 

(M) One day the light of love burning in your eyes will transcend time,

and destroy one of this world's dreams

as it spirals towards apocalypse

What is it that you seek,

now that you're done hesitating?

Is there a glimpse of hope for tomorrow,

beyond this greedy admiration?

 

(H) I want to be armed with the power,

to shatter even the darkness in my hand,

just like the ancient magic in my childhood dreams,

the next time I see your innocent smile.

In my trembling hands I hold the courage of a plucked flower

My feelings are all I can rely on;

The prayer that awakens the light.

 

Of course the theme can also be taken to be about the end of the series and Madoka becoming a god but the glorious caught you scene makes the last two lines of it just feel right from Homura's perspective. The scene you brought up in episode 10 where Madoka saves Homura's life by using Sayaka's grief seed was one that hurt my heart in so many ways. Homura had completely given herself over to the idea of being a witch (another point people should remember about TRS's story ) as long as she could lay destruction with Madoka by her side. The other half lies to let Homura get her emotions out and into a more calmed outlook and then out comes the grief seed and again Madoka is sacrificing herself.

 

Duality is a point that makes me incredibly happy in basically all forms of media. It's why I love grey characters to death because you can look at their thoughts and emotions and question them on more than just the black and white scale. We're left wondering if Homura did the right thing by rebooting the world again. Yes it was for her own selfish gain but at the same time, she also threw off the next of the Incubator's' plans in the same way Madoka did at the end of the tv series. It's not at all crazy to me to ponder the idea of Homura's personal hell also being her perfect world. As I rambled before, love is a very complicated emotion and very often borders on the side of completely illogical. But when someone leaves an impact on your life, you can't help but love them even if you know you shouldn't. I've had dreams myself that get right down to this sort of thing and that's why so many of the points in the movie continued the fact that the series knows how to push my brain's buttons in a matter to which I relate.

 

I definitely didn't take the final scene to be suicide though. Most definitely not. I mean, there's really no reason for it to happen. Homura has her rebuilt world right now. This is only the beginning and we have yet to see what cards she's going to play later. I likened it to the chair scene since her manner of tilting off the cliff was the same as the way Madoka did off the chair. Sure, the field scene did end up a bit of unfortunate splatting but this is the girl that in the last episode of the series, leapt off of a building and landed just fine. Like you mentioned, it very well could be a symbolic nod that she's going off the deep-end so to speak.

 

I need to give my brain a little break to recharge cause so many words, but I look forward to continuing this and very well might add on to it if anything else pops back into my head while it's in its vaguely resting state. Thank you so much for this! :3

 

ETA: Sneaking back hours later to mention a point I keep forgetting to throw in.

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Firstly, lol at a chunk of Tumblr's reaction to the movie. It's not that I can't handle people not sharing my outlook, it's just that their reasoning usually makes me just blink a lot. I got lucky in that Isi and I seem to see things the same way, but so many posts about Homura being OOC just makes me want to forward them our books and how wrong they really are. Now on to the rest of it.

 

On the topic of more duality with Homura, I kept meaning to bring up this scene but still my brain is jumping all over the place. I found it fascinating that when she finds out the fact that she's part of the Incubators' plan, she doesn't lose her cool until the idea of them attempting to control Madoka comes up. Now this could be viewed as amusing considering she splits Godoka later in the movie but still. There's the same mindset from the series that she doesn't care what happens to her, as long as Madoka is alright and around. Madoka is still both her trigger and her own breaking point. I really just can't wrap my head around how people can see the shift as OOC. Is it extreme? It might be, but sometimes people do extreme things when they feel they have no other option.

[xAmilli0n]

So I don't watch to much anime (mainly because of lack of time) but I just finished watching Kill la Kill, and man that was one hell of a fun ride.  I went into it expecting to crank it up to 11 right from the start, and it did.  But then about half way through it cranked it up even higher, and frankly it just never stopped after that.  And the soundtrack is killer.

 

My only complaint is (spoilers below)

 

Spoiler

that I really didn't like Ragyo as the main antagonist.  She was just so meh compared to the rest of the cast.  I really feel Nui Harime was the true star when it came to antagonists, especially when she finally snaps completely.  But you know, opinions for everyone!

 

Anyways, a great show.  If you haven't watched it, you might consider giving it a look.

[Master Warder Z_]

Spoiler

that I really didn't like Ragyo as the main antagonist.  She was just so meh compared to the rest of the cast.  I really feel Nui Harime was the true star when it came to antagonists, especially when she finally snaps completely.  But you know, opinions for everyone!

 

._. Now you know how every one who watched Naruto felt.

[Isichar]

@Animusandanima

Can't wait to get home from work and read your post. Don't be surprised if I end up typing up another lengthy response hehe

@xAmillion I kind of agree. Then again Ragyo does have the best VA in the show, so at least there was that lol

[xAmilli0n]

._. Now you know how every one who watched Naruto felt.

 

 

I never watched Naruto! But I guess that was a thing in that too?  Its quite unfortunate.  Its really the only thing that stands out as tarnishing the show.  Not that it was that bad, just you know, I think it could have been just a bit better.

[xAmilli0n]

@Isichar I can't really fault any of the VAs.  Personally I loved Nonon's VA.  Her voice is so peculiar.

[Master Warder Z_]

I never watched Naruto! But I guess that was a thing in that too?  Its quite unfortunate.  Its really the only thing that stands out as tarnishing the show.  Not that it was that bad, just you know, I think it could have been just a bit better.

 

You aren't missing anything freind.Well basically you had the potential for the series to have an actually competent and fairly rounded antagonist that goes up in smoke when the series starts go rapidly downhill. And Naruto suffered from many issues, it having tobito as a primary antagonist was merely one of them.

[TheClonesLegacy]

@Isichar I can't really fault any of the VAs.  Personally I loved Nonon's VA.  Her voice is so peculiar.

Nani sore is pleased.

[Master Warder Z_]

She also did Escaflowne (epic soundrtack) and Aquarion...others too.
 

 

Aquarion *shudders*

 

Escaflowne i can take or leave but that abomination needs to be tossed into the deepest pit of Anime Hell.

 

Right next to G Gundam and The Samurai Pizza Cats.

[xAmilli0n]

I'm glad you liked it xAmill0n. Kill la Kill was definitely not something I expected to be that freaking bad ass. And it's not just that, though the story is hilarious, it can't be seen as 'crappy' at all since the characters make up for the core of it. Even stuff that seemed ridiculous at the time like talking uniforms ended up being one of the high-lights of the series.

 

And yeah, that OST was brilliant.

 

"Don't lose you waaaaaaayyy!" *proceed to Matoi doing something awesome*

 

Oh definitely.  I took me way by surprise.  Maybe my ability for suspension of disbelief is simply that remarkable, but after literally the first episode I like "okay that makes perfect sense."  The characters and the ludicrousness of the whole plot just works so perfectly.  Honestly, its one of my favorite animes I've watched in recent years (which frankly has been limited lol).

 

What was funny is how they would get to a tender, or touching moment and I was all "wait, are they gonna pile on some feels?" but then they throw Mako in and all is right with the world.

 

I will say this moment  did make me go "d'awwww."

 

Spoiler

 

And yeah, I'll keep praising the OST.  I actually ended up buying it.

 

 

Nani sore is pleased.

 

Evidently I'm not the only one who noticed her voice and thought it was interesting (for better or worse).  Its still funny that is actually thing lol.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Tales from Ba Sing Se is my favorite episode.

Though sad fact, it's the last episode Irohs voice actor Mako recorded before his death

[acicm2]

just watch the latest ep for naruto. good stuff. best anime ever.

[Master Warder Z_]

just watch the latest ep for naruto. good stuff. best anime ever.

 

 

Just no.

[Master Warder Z_]

Yes. Accept it.

 

Uh no.

 

._. Its not even in the top fifty in my opinion.