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[SlottsMachine]

I really liked Steins; Gate myself, it all depends what expectations (or lack thereof) you have for it. I suppose everything is like that really. 

[Isichar]

I was hoping for an ending that matched the badass middle.

[Mr.House]

Been watching some more KLK, Mako is the best.

 

[Puzzlewell]

I had a fairly busy day and my brain is kind of fried so I will wait a bit longer to get my responses in at our wonderful little PMMM roundtable. :3 I did want to mention something that amused me though. Rebellion kind of fucked me up to the rest of the series. That's a huge compliment mind you cause I adore both the regular series and Rebellion muchly. It's just that I know what's coming now and it's almost... alien to hop back to the earlier parts of the series. That's going to make the planned series/movies rewatch an enjoyably squirmy experience. Think of Rebellion as a whole, then listen to Connect.

I need some shuteye though but I'll get back to the rambling in a few hours!

[Mr.House]

Dear lord that taboo bath scene in KLK, KLK does like not give a crap, it just flaunts everything.

[Lotion Soronarr]

It's about like Stein's Gate.

 

VERY overrated, not a bad anime, but its not really anything special either.

 

 

Escaflowne overrated? It's not even that well-known/talked about, unlike some many, MANY others.

Ok, name an anime that you think isn't overrated (but is great).

[Lotion Soronarr]

As some one who has been a follower of the Mecha genre since the late 80s let me tell you it isn't that.

 

It's Mobile Suit Gundam.

 

Gurren is nothing but an over the top take on super robot, if i wanted that i would watch the Power rangers or robotech.

 

HEY!

 

HEY!

 

You don't be putting Macross (at least the first one) in the same sentence as that Super Sentai crap!
 

[Clover Rider]

So 'Silver Spoon' is a manga made by the same dude who did FMA:B. I'm wondering if it's any good since it won some rewards. It might be worth checking out, no?

Silver Sppon and FMA were both made by Hiromu Arakawa, who is a woman by the way. 

 

And yeah SS is all about the love of farm life. Arakawa herself grew up on a dairy farm.

 

 

Manga artists are a neat people.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

What was the first anime you guys ever seen?

Mine was Sohryuden: Legend of the Dragon Kings followed by Dragonball Z|

[eroeru]

Technically ones I don't remember from my childhood. From mid-school I have fond memories of Miyazaki ones. Princess Mononoke was prolly the first.

 

As to knowingly watching anime, as I understand it currently, my first was either Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (dub) or Neon Genesis Evangelion (sub). Watched both at about the same time, just before uni.

[Master Warder Z_]

Escaflowne overrated? It's not even that well-known/talked about, unlike some many, MANY others.

Ok, name an anime that you think isn't overrated (but is great).

 

Bleh, Let's see.

 

Great Teacher Onizuka.

[xAmilli0n]

What was the first anime you guys ever seen?

Mine was Sohryuden: Legend of the Dragon Kings followed by Dragonball Z|

 

First ones I remember watching were Gundam Wing and Outlaw Star.  Then at some point I remember watching Crest of the Stars.

 

I got a good dose of Sci-Fi and Mecha anime early on.

[TheChris92]

Well, my search to find something as great as FMA:B still goes on xD

 

Same. Did you by chance watch Baccano! It's the kind of anime, along with many movies, whom intrigued me so much I had to watch it again to make analysis.

[Isichar]

@MhmbaSR1

 

No worries about the post coming off as confrontational. The way Homura is handled is a polarizing subject, and believe me when I say I've talked to tons of people that share your views. It's a topic point that a lot of people get passionate about, particularly people that loved Homura's character. There is a lot of moral standpoints you take that I agree with, but I also think when viewing a story like Madoka Magica its better not to get too absorbed in one set of morals, particularly when judging whether it was right or wrong for a character like Homura to do what she did.

 

The Rebellion Story spoilers below..

 

Spoiler

The reason I brought up the 1 vs 100 point was just to point out the dangers in continually justifying your actions for the greater good, like QB did. No matter how many lives were on the line, it would never matter vs the greater good. It will always be justifiable even if it means humanity will get wiped out. There was entropy, but it also describes that human civilization was able to advance due to the incubators influence and the wishes made by magical girls in the past. What is the life of one girl vs that of human society? What is the value of the entire human society vs that of the rest of the universe? If a witch powerful enough to wipe out everyone on earth appears, that still is justifiable when put against the lives of everything else in the universe.

 

It's like the village in Shin Sekai Yori sacrificing children, you can see why they do it, but somewhere down the line you realize how many children, as well as humans have been sacrificed in order to maintain that village and it becomes a little scary to think about. Sometimes you have to do cruel things to survive, but at the same time do you really want to build a society that simply accepts those cruel ways?

 

Again, its a theme Gen has brought up before and you can really see it in QB's actions. Homura is the exact opposite to the extreme (driven on emotions), which admittedly is not really any better, although I do see her actions in large part a result of the current system, which is why I don't think she is entirely wrong in the same way I don't think the system was entirely wrong. Objectively there was good that came from the system, and there is also good that comes from Homura's actions as I have pointed out as well (No magical girls required anymore, honestly that's a pretty big deal). I'm not saying the good in either systems outweighs the bad, but its much more grey then it first appears. 

 

All that said I do think out of all the characters, Madoka by the end of the TV series was the most mature, because unlike QB and Homura who go from one extreme to the other, Madoka actually tried to find a balance. She did not simply ignore the greater good but she also sought to make it more fair for the girls.

 

I know you said you disagreed with QB for other reasons, I just wanted to clarify why I brought it up to begin with. A lot of this is more just my views on the duality between the mindsets.

 

Spoiler

The movie does have several characters point out that its not despair corrupting Homura's Soul stone:

 

*During the caught you scene*

 

Nagisa: The soul gem has changed to a color even worse then despair?!

Sayaka: What is that? Desire? Insatiability? No, it's something else- Akemi Homura, what on earth are you-

Homura: It's only natural that you don't understand. Yes... No one in the world could possibly understand. This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone.

 

*And then soon after her conversation with QB*

 

QB: Your curse-blackened soul gem should have vanished along with your soul. So why...?

Homura: Because I finally remembered. All the times I  repeated history, got hurt and suffered over and over, all of that was proof of my feelings for Madoka. So now, even pain is dear to me. It was not even curses that soiled my Soul gem.

QB: So what did then?

Homura: Something that you have no chance of understanding, Incubator. It's the pinnacle of all human emotion. More passionate then hope, far deeper then despair. Love.

QB: Then what on earth are you now? Neither magical girl nor a witch, what are you trying to become?

Homura: Indeed. As I am now, I'm not even a witch any longer.

 

(Bolded the sections relevant to the 'love confession' you asked about)

 

Homura's love and despair have become one and the same, even if it's corrupted, it still is part of her love for Madoka. Even if you disagree that her actions are based on love as Homura herself later states to QB, we are told by Nagisa, Sayaka, Homura and QB that it's not simply despair or obsession corrupting her Soul gem.

 

 

Spoiler

Homura letting Madoka make her own decision at the end of the TV series was a big deal, and I would like to point out that she basically spent the majority of the timelines preventing her from doing that (as Madoka states "I'm sorry. But I believe its because you've been protecting me for so, so long, that I'm the person I am now") although it clearly results in Homura failing to achieve saving Madoka the way she had being attempting to since the start. We see Homura, a character who has fallen so far and stagnated grow a little and accept Madoka's decision despite how painful it is for her to do so. I doubt we disagree here.

 

But then we get to TRS during the 2nd flower scene in the field when Madoka and Homura are talking:

 

Homura: You see, I had a really scary dream. In it, you had gone to a place so far away that I had no chance of seeing you again. And everyone else in the world forgot all about you. Only I could remember you in the whole wide world! I was so lonely and sad... But no one could understand how I felt. Surrounded by that, I started thinking my memories of you were things I'd just made up. And I began to doubt myself.

Madoka: That's a terrible dream, all right. But it's okay now. Because I'd never go alone somewhere so far away that I couldn't see any of you again.

Homura: Why? How can you be so sure?

Madoka: You know how wimpy I am. And because I could never bear to do something that would make someone as strong as you cry like this.

Homura: Then for you, that's something that hurts you so much you couldn't bear it?

Madoka: That's right. You, Sayaka-chan, Mami-san, Kyouko-chan, my dad, and mom and Tatsuya, and even  Hitomi-chan and everyone else in our class. I would never want to go somewhere I could never see anyone again. Even if there were no other choice, I know I'd never have the courage to do something like that.

Homura: Right... you're right. Those are your honest feelings. And yet how could I have made such a stupid mistake? I shouldn't have allowed that to happen. No matter what I would've had to do I should have stopped you back then. Madoka, you should know that even when you know how much it would hurt you, you do have the courage to make that hard decision. When you learn there is something only that you can do, you're far kinder and stronger than you yourself know. Trust me, I know this.

 

It's a pretty sad and yet heartfelt scene at the same time. it describes her final actions pretty well, since its here that she expresses regret at allowing Madoka to make the choice she did at the end well acknowledging that she is the type of person that would be strong enough to make that choice. I have no doubt that it was during this scene that she acquires the motivation to do what she does to Madoka at the end.

 

For your questions..

 

Spoiler

1. I assume so, we see a pink thread (I'm guessing that represents Madoka's powers) get turned into Homura's new Soul stone. It would make sense since she is now being fueled on Godoka's powers.

2. It was just greedy. The system Madoka created allowed for the Incubators to collect energy but at a much slower rate. It thought the witch system would be much more appealing and even better if they could eventually control the cycle completely. Which is also why trying to convince it of finding a better way is essentially pointless.

3. Can't say. I guess we will just need to wait for a sequel. I don't think things would be so straightforward tbh.

4. It is different type of labyrinth due to the emotions used to create it and the scale. Her original one was the size of a city, well her new one basically covers the whole galaxy or universe. The main difference is that its basically able to cut off and control all threats to Madoka, something her original labyrinth was not completely capable of doing.

 

I'm not entirely sure what your referring to with the two simultaneous Homura's though? If you mean when I claimed the movie showed Homura when she was most innocent and immediately after how far she came then I was referring to the middle of the movie when she started to regain her memories.

5. They have some scenes removed, and a couple remastered. If your going to rewatch the series, it's not a terrible idea to check out the movies. I think the series fits really well in the movie trilogy format.

 

 

Do I think Sayaka and Kyoko are in love? I honestly don't know. I've stated that I think they would make a good couple, and I agree theres some strong subtext of them together, although I don't think the subtext shown is quite as romantic as it was with Homura and Madoka. If you want me to commit to one belief or the other then I'll say yes, I do think there is more then friendship there, and I absolutely love their dynamic.

 

(We all know Homusaya is the one true ship though)

 

Lastly as an added bonus I would also like to point out that thanks to what Homura did you can now happily ship Sayaka and Kyoko together something which couldn't be done in the original ending. Do we really want an ending in which Sayaka is dead?   I know I sure don't.

 

One thing I don't understand about what happened at the end of TRS:

 

Spoiler

If Madoka was able to see all possibilities of the past/present/future like she claimed at the end of the TV series, why did she not see what Homura did coming?

[Isichar]

@Giga Drill BREAKER

 

I think Dragonball was my first.

 

@Sim

 

I can't view it But then again I don't have a facebook account so you probably still need one to view public photo's.

 

Got it

 

haha looks fun. You look so serious in most your pictures

 

Hmm I'll try and take pictures when I go to mine.

[Mr.House]

Anyway guys, here (as the album says) are photos from the con I went to.

 

https://www.facebook...=1&notif_t=like

 

It's public so I think people who don't have fb can still view it.

 

I know, I know. I look like I'm 12. I have a very young face teehee

 

P.S I look like spas, but not a COMPLETE spas. My face doesn't normally look like that xD

That feeling when I can tell who almost each character is, man I need a life

[Puzzlewell]

If we're going by first we ever saw without being old enough to separate anime from western animation, it'd be Gigantor for me. I had a vhs tape of it and wore it out as a kid. If we're talking about first we actively fell in love with, that would be Sailor Moon. Which in turn makes my many years later obsession with PMMM all the more amusing.

 

In saying that, I'm still giving my brain a little bit of a recharge time since spring is a jerk and pollen is everywhere screwing with my head. I'm not bowing out of the conversation though! Can't get rid of me that easily. :3 Mostly I'm spending some time running through some things I do want to ramble about from both sides of the coin. Like Isi said though, SR1, no worries on how you approach the conversation. I may get a bit snippy with the angst I see all over Tumblr about Rebellion but it's mostly because of the idea that the shift is OOC.

[Isichar]

If we're going by first we ever saw without being old enough to separate anime from western animation, it'd be Gigantor for me. I had a vhs tape of it and wore it out as a kid. If we're talking about first we actively fell in love with, that would be Sailor Moon. Which in turn makes my many years later obsession with PMMM all the more amusing.

 

Oh, you must be excited for the new Sailor Moon coming out this year then?

 

I watched most of the series because of my sister, but I was not really a huge fan at the time (I was a young boy XD lol). I'm interested to see what they do with the remake though since they claim they are planning on taking it in a different direction.

[Naesaki]

Oh, you must be excited for the new Sailor Moon coming out this year then?

 

I watched most of the series because of my sister, but I was not really a huge fan at the time (I was a young boy XD lol). I'm interested to see what they do with the remake though since they claim they are planning on taking it in a different direction.

Apparently they plan to follow the original manga to the letter with the anime reboot, so I'm quite interested to see how it pans out

 

Also just watched the 1st episode of this today, Selector Infected WIXOSS, its kind of Puella Magi Madoka Magica crossed with Yu Gi Oh

 

So far its got me interested but gonna need to see more episodes, but looks like its only just started to be shown

 

Spoiler

 

[Isichar]

 

Selector Infected WIXOSS, its kind of Puella Magi Madoka Magica crossed with Yu Gi Oh

 

  that's an unusual combination. Not entirely sure how to feel about that... but I'm a little intrigued lol

[Puzzlewell]

I am! I admit a lot of it is really tangled up in nostalgia for me. I was eight when the series started airing on tv in the States and it kind of became a huge thing for my cousin and myself that still lasts to this day. I mean of course now I'm older now and have researched some of the admittedly hilarious censorship choices made to protect the sweet little babies' brains  but it's still a series that's super dear to my heart. I'm curious if this reboot is going to follow the manga proper, since the series kind of did for a while and then just stopped before getting to the final arc. Well in the dubbed form at least. Sometimes I'm a horrible slacker and haven't taken the time to sit down and watch the proper Japanese run yet.

[Mr.House]

Even though my first anime was DBZ, it was Ghost in the shell that truly got me into anime and it still holds a place in my heart.