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[Mr.House]

I imagine you Kill La Kill fans will enjoy this. PS -- Strawberrycreme/Sapphie is the greatest thing ever.

 

Yessssssssssssssssssssssss

[Gravisanimi]

Heed of warning, don't use the word "overhyped" around me as if that is other people's fault.

Say I find out about a Borderlands 3, for months I seek out everything released, get excited for it. Day it comes out, I play it, and hate it. Should I call it overhyped because I myself came to self generated preconceptions that the game couldn't hold up to?

Calling something overhyped means you didn't find it good, it is you stating your opinion of it in it's truest form, not fact.

[Puzzlewell]

Absolutely! It save's me from having to drive the people around me crazy from constantly gushing on about something they don't care or know about

 

I got a few show's I started that I've being putting off that I need to finish so I can finally cross them off the list, but I guarantee I'll be checking it out soon. You will know by the long gushing tangent posts that will no doubt follow.

 

I know about this one all too well. I think the folks that follow me on Tumblr are glad that I have you to ramble at now so that I'm not boring them with my five hour tangents on the series. lol

 

And no worries on whenever you eventually get to it, I'm not going anywhere. :3 That's kind of like finishing KlK, starting Black Lagoon and my eventual rewatch of Mawaru Penguindrum. All things I plan to do, but when they'll actually happen is massively up to whenever my brain decides to stop thinking about PMMM again. Going by how it went when I finished the series... Give some months.

[mhmbaSR1]

 

@mhmbaSR1 you should check out the English version if you haven't yet as well.

 

*cough-gag* English and german?! that's like watching a dub!

 

@isichar: firstly, you have way too much free time. either because you watch too much pmmm and memorized all this, or you have the time to look it all up, after having recalled from memory the gist of what you want to say, and the specific situation that would give credence to your argument... either way, i envy you

 

and i also agree with a lot of what you had to say, but when you and AaA were feeding off each other for 2 pages i felt like i had to bring in a an alternate opinion.

 

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1. so the girls wishes helped advance human society? not far enough in my rewatch to have reached that I suppose. that said, the only reason that that society exists is because of the wishes, in an alternate reality an equally valid society could exist without having the witch-incubator system.

 

and I see kyubey's plan as valid only in the following situation: the universe is less than a billion years away from being cold enough to kill all life (1 billion years is an extremely short time for the universe), and the human race is informed and willing. it would be a last resort for a race/group of races that don't have the foresight to preserve their own existence, and the existence of living things around them (I'm looking at you modern human race )

 

and I think that is the first time that you said that about ssy, even after all of my ranting, and we aren't even talking about ssy! wtf?!

 

2. i was much happier with the grey area we had at the end of the tv series, much less happy with the grey we had at the end of TRS. though i am happy now that we have the potential of a sequel! at this point is it just potential?

 

3. definitely agree with you on madoka doing the right thing in finding a balance, especially after you brought up the fact that homura and kyubey were polar opposites (emotion vs. logic) and both of their solutions having grey areas, with no clear right or wrong.

 

4. ok well arguing from a purely literal interpretation, if homura's pain is now integral to her love, its not longer love is it?

 

and that is undoubtedly a confession

 

5. right, which was one of the things that i loved about the original, is that you were able to see homura grow to accept madoka... and then she refutes madoka... just so not cool, in so many ways

 

once again like to say that i agree it was totally believable for homura to do what she did, but i don't have to like it (and i don't have to call it love)  

questions:

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4. ok, wait wait wait.... i actually thought both of these, and was wondering about this but... so did homura re-rewrite the laws of the universe, or is she in her now enlarged labyrinth? or both? and if she exists in her own labyrinth with madoka and friends, does godoka exist outside of it? and does godoka have any ability to effect events inside her labyrinth if it is one?

 

and when i was referring to separate thought processes i was referring to something that either you or AaA said, and it went something like this: (i would quote it, but it has to be at least 20 pages back and i don't really want to go searching ) that while homura was inside struggling to become a witch as fast as she could to avoid having godoka trapped by kyubey, her unconscious self was realizing that she could in fact trap godoka for an instant once the barrier was broken and godoka came to collect homura's soul

 

which made me realize something... homura was fighting to sacrifice her own life so that godoka wouldn't be manipulated by some entity besides madoka (which would have been kyubey), and then homura goes and does exactly that!!! ugh!!!!

 

and i didn't mean to be domineering, i just kind of thought your reasoning was applied a little unevenly lol what can i say? i would be happy with homura alone and sayaka-kyouko together  and no, i definitely wouldn't want sayaka to be dead

 

6. it stated that she was able to see all possible pasts and futures? ahhhh lets chalk that one up to plot-holes

 

and AaA i saw your post, i will respond to that as i am able, for now though i am going to take a break.

 

and if i take a while to respond to posts here its because i avoid coming on because i know if i see something i will take 3 hours to respond (like i just did) and that's time i could have spent on homework... i have limited self control

[Puzzlewell]

It's quite alright SR1! You take your time. School's far more important than dealing with my walls of text. As much as I love these talks, even I have to take some time off cause it can really tire out the brain. Hell, if I don't pre-write them like the last one, it's sit down at an early time, start going and then oops, hours have passed. Rather amusing but in your case it's probably best to get the school work done first so you're not stressing later.

[Isichar]

I know about this one all too well. I think the folks that follow me on Tumblr are glad that I have you to ramble at now so that I'm not boring them with my five hour tangents on the series. lol

 

And no worries on whenever you eventually get to it, I'm not going anywhere. :3 That's kind of like finishing KlK, starting Black Lagoon and my eventual rewatch of Mawaru Penguindrum. All things I plan to do, but when they'll actually happen is massively up to whenever my brain decides to stop thinking about PMMM again. Going by how it went when I finished the series... Give some months.

 

I'm a bit tempted to start a tumblr, though I would probably just end up using it to post all the amazing fanart I find (and oh boy is there's a lot)

 

And I know what you mean, I watch a bit here and there, but since TRS I can't stop thinking about it. I know I know, I'm obsessed >_< but its just so good.

 

@mhmbaSR1

 

I don't mess around when it comes to my PMMM posts

 

Its a combination of obsession and a little too much free time. I spend way more time thinking about the post then I do writing it though.

 

I owe you an apology, I probably should have warned you beforehand how I can get with this series. Though I have to admit, you've been a real trooper for the conversation (with SSY too) and I really appreciate that! There's not a whole lot of people that are willing to get into conversations on forums like that so it's a kind of nice change of pace, but yeah it can get pretty crazy and a bit exhausting.

 

I'll still write up a response asap but I'll make sure not to overdo it too much (Although I suspect I may end up writing up my own post fairly soon after I watch the trilogy at my friends. so hopefully Animusandanima will be able to bear with me through that )

 

Do keep me updated if you watch anything though! And don't worry, I don't normally get quite as insane as I do with my PMMM posts

[Isichar]

You knew it was coming

[Demx]

Kiryuin Ragyo Theme is probably the best.

[Demx]

Lol 3:09 in this vid

While they weren't "bloopers;" it was still a funny.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Heed of warning, don't use the word "overhyped" around me as if that is other people's fault.

Say I find out about a Borderlands 3, for months I seek out everything released, get excited for it. Day it comes out, I play it, and hate it. Should I call it overhyped because I myself came to self generated preconceptions that the game couldn't hold up to?

Calling something overhyped means you didn't find it good, it is you stating your opinion of it in it's truest form, not fact.

 

Well, partially it is. Preconceptions are generated from information you get.

And if someone tells you "X is the greatest thing ever", you will either trust them or not.

 

Calling something overhyped means that the quality of the thing in question doesn't measure up to the word on the street.

I'm generally anti-hype and I tend to do my homework, so I generally go in expecting nothing (or expecting less than I hear)

 

Stating my opinion in it's truest form?

Please, tell me who doesn't do that? OR do you consider your opinion to be fact?

 

I try my damn hardest to be objective and not be too harsh or not be too impulsive (which is why I always wait before rating anything, for the impressions to sink in, to process everything and to no let the initial impression blind me, and I only ever rated 3 anime higher than 8, and even on those 3 I'm conflicted)

 

Does that mean I sometimes disagree with the popular (or at least the loudest) opinion? Yes.

And so what?

There is no direct correlation between popularity and quality anyway.

 

I'm half way trough KLK now and my opinion hasn't changed. 5/10.

 

Mako didn't make me laugh at all, but this guy did:

Because of him, it gets +1.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Depends what you consider a decent book I suppose.

 

Something heavy, with lots of text and no pictures.

 

 

 

P.S My friend was showing me a Bleach fight with Ichigo and some other dude. Well it was more like 4 minutes of fighting and 12 of monologues. That's horrible for anything. When a book, movie or series intends to show you action, you expect action. Imagine if in Clash of Kings G.R.R Martin decided to have a four Jon POVs in between the battle of KL at the most inconvenient times.

 

It depends. Why would talking or monologues be bad in itself?

 

When judging any movie/series there are elements that are more subjective and elements that are less.

 

Things like quality of animation or number of plot holes are more objective ones.

Pacing is more subjective, as it depends on the individual more.

I can easily sit trough entire episodes of nothing but talking (as long as the discussion has a point) - examples of this include Spice and Wolf, LoGH, Tytania, etc...

Other people might not have the patience for it.

Tough to be fair, when I was younger I wouldn't have had such patience. As you get older you learn to appreciate good plot/story/writing more and more.

[Lotion Soronarr]

@ that punching gif:

 

NO ONE does it better than Kenshiro. No one.

 

 

I'd argue that Guillermo Del Toro's over-the-top mecha Pacific Rim was excellent entertainment and went in and understood what it wanted to be. It was also gorgeous without being pretentious, filled with product placement for no reason and cringe worthy in its dialogue, and will probably be the closest to what could be considered a movie adaptation of Evangelion. All due in part to how the director invests his own affection for the genre and sense of artistry into the project in such a way that the viewer can find themselves immersed in the film rather than watching from afar, and thus actually caters to younger and older audiences alike.

 

Michael Bay might have an infamous reputation for over-the-top entertainment, but he's hardly the hallmark of it.

 

Pacific Rim?

Entertaining. Tons of plot holes that could have been fixed, but entertaining. Would have been a lot better.

[Mr.House]

You missed the point lotion. His point was there is plenty of movies that are over the top and lots of action that is not Bay and is good, and saying that if people like that they must like Bay(when we don't) is pretty dam rude.

[Khayness]

I'm half way trough KLK now and my opinion hasn't changed. 5/10.

 

I hear you mate. I'm getting so much crap from my anime watching friends for not gushing at KLK. It's a fun ride, but that's it. No cleverness, playing with genres (you can't top TTGL with having a blast with the mecha genre), just in your face fanservice (which I'm immune to by now anyways, thanks Japan) and action. I like Beelzebub and the recent Samurai Flamenco more, because atleast they are making so much fun of their respective genres WHILE having tons of over the top silliness.

[Mr.House]

I hear you mate. I'm getting so much crap from my anime watching friends for not gushing at KLK. It's a fun ride, but that's it. No cleverness, playing with genres (you can't top TTGL with having a blast with the mecha genre), just in your face fanservice (which I'm immune to by now anyways, thanks Japan) and action. I like Beelzebub and the recent Samurai Flamenco more, because atleast they are making so much fun of their respective genres WHILE having tons of over the top silliness.

So fan service is having a fat naked guy?

[TheChris92]

Pacific Rim?

Entertaining. Tons of plot holes that could have been fixed, but entertaining. Would have been a lot better.

Think you went in and watched it with the wrong mindset then -- If you do feel like arguing about the film, then let me know and we'll talk about it in the film thread. Let me just add though and I'm sure you noticed it when watching. Rim knows what it is. It knows that it’s a visually-amazing action flick– but what’s even more interesting is that it knows how to subvert pieces of the genre other films blindly pay homage to. Aside from that, the female characters, few they may be, are actually non-sexualized commands authority without resorting to bad action-girl clichés. Arguing about coherence in the narrative in a film like this would be as futile as talking about how John McClane manages to pull of the stunts he does in Die Hard. Point being -- The characters did not adhere to typical clichés, which is a rather huge leap from Bay's contrived nonsense. You can choose to dislike it if you want, but the larger point was Bay is hardly the hallmark of 'over-the-top'. 80% of Quinton Tarantino's work & collab with Robert Rodriquez is over-the-top violence, most of Hack Snyder's stuff, and any action movie made before the year 2000. Some of it is bad, some of it is good, usually when like Del Toro, they know what they want to be. It usually results in an entertaining ride.

[Khayness]

So fan service is having a fat naked guy?

 

Everything is a fetish in Japan, so I guess it might be? Wasn't really the essence of my post though.

[Lotion Soronarr]

You missed the point lotion. His point was there is plenty of movies that are over the top and lots of action that is not Bay and is good, and saying that if people like that they must like Bay(when we don't) is pretty dam rude.

 

When did I say that?

You might want to re-read my post, because at no point have I claimed everyone (or anyone) loves MB and his movies. Only that he's the patron saint of s'plosions and action.

 

Also, these days it takes a lot more to impress me than fast-paced action. I am not easily impressionable.

I learned that you don't necessarily have to sacrifice one aspect (for example plot) for another (for example, action), which is why a lot of Hollywood blockbusters and anime does little for me.
 

[Mr.House]

Except he's not the patron saint, that's just a big serving of hyperbole.

[Lotion Soronarr]

True, but pacing isn't subjective. Even when it comes to 'slow' movies (i,e the Godfather) you need to have the pacing correct. Pacing isn't how fast or slow a scene goes; whether there is action or inaction. Pacing is about how smoothly and coherent a story unfolds.

 

So, let's say we have a LOTR movie playing, and the charge of Rohan is about to happen. Then, all of a sudden, Theoden gives this lengthy inner-monologue about why he's doing this and how much his back hurts... sure it's informative, but it interrupts the action of the scene, it's awkward and horrible and destroys the climax entirely.

 

You see where I'm getting at? It's not about how fast a scene is going, or how slow it is. It's not about the contents within a scene, it's just how that scene flows. If what you said were true, then nobody on the Earth would enjoy theatre, and I'm sure not everybody has the patience of Ghandi.

 

Pacing is subjective. Period.

What if I told you that I have absolutely NO problem with your example whatsoever? Maybe the entire point IS to break up the action scene. Maybe the contrast IS the point?

There is no such thing as "though must do this this way" and this is the ONLY was it should be done and must be done. I reject that notion utterly.

 

Also, theatre isn't nearly as popular as it was before.

 

Also:

Pacing is about how smoothly and coherent a story unfolds.

 

Then how can you like KLK? I wouldn't use either "smooth" or "coherent" to describe it.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Think you went in and watched it with the wrong mindset then -- If you do feel like arguing about the film, then let me know and we'll talk about it in the film thread. Let me just add though and I'm sure you noticed it when watching. Rim knows what it is. It knows that it’s a visually-amazing action flick– but what’s even more interesting is that it knows how to subvert pieces of the genre other films blindly pay homage to. Aside from that, the female characters, few they may be, are actually non-sexualized commands authority without resorting to bad action-girl clichés. Arguing about coherence in the narrative in a film like this would be as futile as talking about how John McClane manages to pull of the stunts he does in Die Hard.

 

What is the right mindset?

 

I already said. I like for what it does good, I don't like for things it does not.

It seems you think that as long as it does one thing good, others don't matter, but I don't agree. Nor do I agree with the notion that coherence does not apply to movie X (like for example, Star Trek)... just because you think it shouldn't.

 

"Just turn your brain off" seems to be the common defense that I do not accept as valid. Because it's a blanket defense.

How seriously I should take the move will depend on the presentation, tone and story - and how the movie presents itself.

 

I can enjoy the movie. I can "turn my brain off". That doesn't change what it is, regardless how much or little I like it.

Hell, I ADORE the Room.

But I'd never call it a great piece of writing or acting.