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Then how can you like KLK? I wouldn't use either "smooth" or "coherent" to describe it.

 

Because KLK's pacing is steady through out the series. It doesn't stop one episode to decide it's going to be a 15 minute flashback nor does it go and hold back from its fast paste on the get go.

 

A movie/series can be slow from point a to b and still have great pacing, just as well as a fast movie can go from a to b without any problems. KLK is one of them. Now fast doesn't mean 'all out action' which you still seem to be confusing with what a fast pace is.

 

KLK transitions from one plot point to the other with no filler in between. It gives us the information we need to tie the pieces together and the motives of each character on the dot. It doesn't linger on one thing or another, it just moves on.

 

Even my favourite anime ever, FMA:B suffers from AoT's flashbacks, but it puts them all in the beginning to actually develop the characters. You don't put stuff like that in the middle of your story, which is what AoT did.

 

 


Pacing is subjective. Period.

What if I told you that I have absolutely NO problem with your example whatsoever? Maybe the entire point IS to break up the action scene. Maybe the contrast IS the point?

There is no such thing as "though must do this this way" and this is the ONLY was it should be done and must be done. I reject that notion utterly.

 

You cannot say that until you actually watch it. It's like me saying I'd have no problem in jumping from a to b until I actually get there.

 

Still.

 

I suppose you are correct with how pacing is subjective, or at least, to the extent on how it effects the entertainment value of the medium. A classic, Great Expectations, is one of the most boring books I've ever read because of its middle section. It has 19 chapters of little development in the story other than the day-to-day life of Pip the Plonk.

 

Regardless, it's considered as a classic.

 

But then again, so is Bleach and that has horrible pacing.

 

Subjective or objective my stance remains. Pacing is vital to the narrative, to have good pacing is key to how enjoyable a story is. I think this is why G.R.R Martin is one of those effortless reads because his pacing is great. He understands when to speed up or slow the story, he knows when to put in background information and when to let the characters do their own thing. He never goes off into a tangent and leaves you there thinking "when the hell am I going to get back to the main plot?"

 

Fight scenes, car chases and explosions have nothing to do with it. Pacing is the building blocks of narrative: suspense, dialogue, climax and development. If all the 'youngsters' were into that and that alone, how do you explain the immense popularity of Breaking Bad? That isn't about action at all.

 

And of course theatre isn't as popular today when there are plenty of other mediums to stand in its place. But plays are still read like novels and there are other things like manga and comic books that do a good job at it too. I'm still surprised that I haven't found out a manga/comic adaptations of great plays like Death of a Salesman or Streetcar named Desire.

 

P.S

 

Another fascinating example is the movie with Samuel L Jackson and Tommy Lee Jones called The Sunset Limited. It's not a film for everyone, since all it is is two men discussing the nature of God and atheism. Jackson saved Lee from committing suicide, takes him home and there they argue.

 

It's a slow film, of course, but it's a good case for great pacing because the conversation itself develops and sucks you in. They don't talk around in circles nor do they reminiscent about their past half way through. It's a tug of war between rationalism and spiritualism but there is never a point where both sides are at a moot point.

 

THAT'S  the key to good dialogue, and that's all this film is. Dialogue.

 

Again, it's not for everyone, and so that supports your case on it being subjective as a base for entertainment. However, objectively it shows what pacing is really all about.



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A movie/series can be slow from point a to b and still have great pacing, just as well as a fast movie can go from a to b without any problems. KLK is one of them. Now fast doesn't mean 'all out action' which you still seem to be confusing with what a fast pace is.

 

Even my favourite anime ever, FMA:B suffers from AoT's flashbacks, but it puts them all in the beginning to actually develop the characters. You don't put stuff like that in the middle of your story, which is what AoT did.

 

Why not?

 

"The pace of the story must never change" is not a undeniable rule.

 

"Give me the bearest of minimum"and hurry along" is not admirable.

 

Sometimes the juxtaposition is exactly what's needed.

 

Remember how the trend of using "inappropriate music" for action scenes trend started?

Dead island trailer? Cowboy Beebop cathedral fall? New Dredd Movie? Some other examples where classical music plays while people die?

 

You say KLK has no pacing problems and AoT has many. I disagree.



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Man, still arguing over AoT?  Kinda regret bringing it up since at the end of the day, I really don't feel that strongly about it either way.

 

You say KLK has no pacing problems and AoT has many. I disagree.

 

Help me understand the pacing issue you see in KLK.  Are you suggesting it moves too quickly?



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Yeah, not checking out Black Lagoon earlier was a big mistake. Dat OP too.

Better late than never.


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There is a problem with pacing, Lotion. But as I've admitted, you are correct on its subjective stance as an effect to entertainment. You do not necessarily need to have great pacing to enjoy a story, though it does damage its dramatic effect on those that do. I think you would stand in the minority that would enjoy forty minutes of a conversation that leads to no where, but that's conjecture, so I'll hold back on that.

 

But going back to KLK, it doesn't give you the barest minimum; It gives you the necessary information quicker than usual. Over time it develops that information. Matoi's back story isn't dropped on you for one entire episode, it continues to flow throughout the series as you gain pieces here and there.

 

It is fast. But like Sunset Limited, a slow film can also have great pacing too.



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Man, still arguing over AoT?  Kinda regret bringing it up since at the end of the day, I really don't feel that strongly about it either way.

 

 

Help me understand the pacing issue you see in KLK.  Are you suggesting it moves too quickly?

 

Heheh, don't worry about arguing :-) I think it's going well. Neither Lotion or I are really just butting heads, we're doing this fine :D


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Didn't care for KLK to be honest, i felt the pacing was a bit off.

 

Also the music wasn't my favorite and oft times near on gave me a headache.



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Well, finished the English Dub of Blue Exorcist. Pretty standard affair but it was alright.

 

Best Character:

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Toonami started playing that a while back, i watched the first episode and promptly ignored it from then on.



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What is the right mindset?

 

It seems you think that as long as it does one thing good, others don't matter, but I don't agree. Nor do I agree with the notion that coherence does not apply to movie X (like for example, Star Trek)... just because you think it shouldn't.

Well, that's great that you don't agree. I'm happy that you don't -- But it's hardly what I was saying at all. I like to think studying Multiplatform storytelling and working with the cinema medium has provided me with a basic knowledge of how a movie is set up at least -- where one can appreciate something without letting something else about it ruin the whole experience for yourself. If you wanna start patronizing me then save it for someone else because that's not really the kind of discussion I wanna participate in. You didn't point out what you liked and disliked but merely phrased it 'entertaining' and then pulled 'plot-hole'. Not really a genuine argument, but if you feel the neccessity to explain yourself then save it for a Private Message. But regardless, the point of this discussion is non-existent and it is futile to convince someone else how this and that worked for them. My original post was meant to point out how over-the-top doesn't equal bad, which I suppose you partially agree. I could mention other examples, but it's irrelevant. Now I feel sort of sorry how I even had this discussion in the first place.

 

 

 

Nor do I agree with the notion that coherence does not apply to movie X (like for example, Star Trek)... just because you think it shouldn't.

Where the hell did you get that notion from at all? 

 

 

"Just turn your brain off" seems to be the common defense that I do not accept as valid.

And how should one interpret that 'phrase', you tell me, because that's not what I said. You seem to think I'm scolding you for not liking it like I did which is rather disingenuous. I'd argue why Pacific Rim works as a genuine mecha spectacle, but rather save that for a thread dedicated to films. If you feel like having this discussion then we'll have it. 



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I started watching Beyond the Boundary yesterday, and I like it so far!  The show is gorgeous. Has anyone else watched this?

 

I absolutely love the opening. http://www.youtube.c...h?v=y4TzwsHcmNw



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Ugh... I'm writing down all the anime shows I've watched this past 2 months and I'm stuck at 40 but I swear I've seen more.


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Damn that's more then me. I got 25 watched, 6 ongoing/that I'm in the middle of and about 12 on my list to watch.

Then again I also have about 30-35 I watched when I was younger.

Lol either way, I'm impressed =P

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I started watching Beyond the Boundary yesterday, and I like it so far!  The show is gorgeous. Has anyone else watched this?

 

I absolutely love the opening. http://www.youtube.c...h?v=y4TzwsHcmNw

 

I liked it quite a bit, except for one episode... which, out of 12, is not insignificant. (If you've seen episode 6, you can probably guess which one I'm referring to!)

 

The anime seems to leave a lot unresolved however and I see no plans for a second season being made yet.



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Toonami started playing that a while back, i watched the first episode and promptly ignored it from then on.

Caught a few parts of a few episodes on Toonami here and there and I was like, "Eh, why not? I'm not really watching anything." It's nothing special, but certain characters, while cliche, are enjoyable.



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I'm a bit tempted to start a tumblr, though I would probably just end up using it to post all the amazing fanart I find (and oh boy is there's a lot)

And I know what you mean, I watch a bit here and there, but since TRS I can't stop thinking about it. I know I know, I'm obsessed >_< but its just so good.


I can assure you that mine has been nothing but art, screenshots and music from TRS lately. :lol: Which reminds me...

Spoiler

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#11442
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I liked it quite a bit, except for one episode... which, out of 12, is not insignificant. (If you've seen episode 6, you can probably guess which one I'm referring to!)

 

The anime seems to leave a lot unresolved however and I see no plans for a second season being made yet.

 

I've actually seen up to episode 6.  I thought it was entertaining enough, but it didn't add anything to show.  Frankly it felt like it was from a different show completely.

 

Spoiler

 

The show does look like the type that wouldn't answer many questions outright, but I'll let you know my impressions once I finish the series.



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Damn that's more then me. I got 25 watched, 6 ongoing/that I'm in the middle of and about 12 on my list to watch.

Then again I also have about 30-35 I watched when I was younger.

Lol either way, I'm impressed =P

 

Don't be!

 

It's the perks of being a carefree student xD All I do is eat, train, and do nerdy things.

 

Of course there's studying; but not that much of it xD (see, I'm not one of those people that feel they need an A for everything from f*cking to sh*tting)


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I've actually seen up to episode 6.  I thought it was entertaining enough, but it didn't add anything to show.  Frankly it felt like it was from a different show completely.

 

Spoiler

 

The show does look like the type that wouldn't answer many questions outright, but I'll let you know my impressions once I finish the series.

 

Minimally spoilery here:

 

Spoiler



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You know why I love ya sim? You just embrace your inner nerd and enjoy it. I can respect that lol

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You know why I love ya sim? You just embrace your inner nerd and enjoy it. I can respect that lol

 

F*CK YEAH! xD

 

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I still disagree with Sim on AoTs pacing but oh well, different strokes for different people afterall.

 

So have a Satsuki.

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I still disagree with Sim on AoTs pacing but oh well, different strokes for different people afterall.

 

So have a Satsuki.

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let's celebrate taste! 

 

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I still disagree with Sim on AoTs pacing but oh well, different strokes for different people afterall.

 

So have a Satsuki.

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That a man or a female?

 

._.

 

Leaning towards male, but...Its anime.



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That a man or a female?

 

._.

 

Leaning towards male, but...Its anime.

Looks nothing like a male.


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