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[ObserverStatus]

So I'm reading backwards a bit through the Black Lagoon manga now before I read the last arc and it seems like there's a lot less Revy angst about Rock's gamble here (compared to the OVAs).

She is a very interesting character tho. And I'd say overall the anime was pretty great. (catching and shattering a steel kukri with your teeth though... lol)

There's more than one OVA? I only saw the one where Roberta loses her marbles.

[Mr.House]

SIm don't make me go Satsuki gif hunting again! I'll make you melt with her awesomeness!

[CrazyRah]

Still healing from the last adorable and awesome gif hunt we did! Just so much awesome that it was almost too much to handle 

[Mr.House]

As for Funimation and dubs. I don't think they should look at bioware and more they should look like Atlus. Atlus has only done a few bad dub casts, which they have also fixed by recasting certain characters but overall their casting has always been outstanding. Even small companies like Gainax did good job with their dubbing. The issue with Funimation I see is they don't want to put the effort into their casting and just place people that won't take alot of hassle to get even if it does not fit the character.

[CrazyRah]

Yeah i can only agree with that. I'd be far more willing to watch dubs if they were along the quality of what Atlus usually produce. It's not always perfect but overall very solid and i can't really ask for more than that. 

[Dean_the_Young]

Well, episode 17 of Kill la Kill seems to be a good point to stop before finishing it next weekend. You know, what with the nice cliff hanger and all.

 

Fun to see how far the series has come, from a pretty fanservice-heavy non-sequiter to one of the more unusual but still coherent plots of the time. The 4 Devas are what really sell it to me, though- they're actual characters, rather than one-off minibosses to be used and soon forgotten. Not many series remember to pull that off. I actually enjoy them all. (And for some odd reason I like snake, the marching girl.)

 

Nui is also a good use of creepy-cute. I've some guesses about her from what I've seen, few of them good. The overly cheerful demeaner, the absurd power and cruelty with a smile... and a distorted/disturbing theme. Just how evil she is, I don't know, but she's more memorable than many villains.

 

 

Heretically, I'm rather indifferent towards Satsuki. Too many social darwinist overtones.

 

 

By far my favorite character, though, is Mr. Nudist Beach. (The teacher.) Besides the intelligence and Dat Glow, I keep laughing at the gradual strip shows, the innuendos, and the fact that he's the only one to keep our heroine blushing.

[Mr.House]

/la snip

 

NUDIST BEACH!

[xAmilli0n]

Fun to see how far the series has come, from a pretty fanservice-heavy non-sequiter to one of the more unusual but still coherent plots of the time. The 4 Devas are what really sell it to me, though- they're actual characters, rather than one-off minibosses to be used and soon forgotten. Not many series remember to pull that off. I actually enjoy them all. (And for some odd reason I like snake, the marching girl.)

 

Oh yeah, the show took me by surprise in how it actually turned into something interesting (maybe compelling is a better word).  I also really liked Nonon, and I  kinda wish was a little more of a central character.

 

 

Nui is also a good use of creepy-cute. I've some guesses about her from what I've seen, few of them good. The overly cheerful demeaner, the absurd power and cruelty with a smile... and a distorted/disturbing theme. Just how evil she is, I don't know, but she's more memorable than many villains.

 

Nui is the greatest.  And thats really all there is to say on the matter.

[Mr.House]

My only sadness is it didn't go 27 episodes with three arcs like Gurren Lagann, but KLK was still awesome as heck and is in my top 10 fav anime.

[CrazyRah]

That i really, really like Nonon might come as suprise 

Beside her there are so many characters that are all quite amazing in their own way. Nudist Beach themself are easily one of the more awesome parts of KLK. Not to mention Satsuki, she grew on me by miles each episode

 

[ObserverStatus]

I saw "Naussica of the Valley of the Wind" yesterday. Did anyone else feel bad for the Giant Warrior when he melted?

[Isichar]

Well I warned you guys it was coming and here it is. Madoka galore! I decided to separate my thought's based on characters and then just a random section at the end for anything else. 

 

PMMM & The Rebellion Story spoilers below..

 

My thoughts on Mami

 

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I have mixed feelings towards how Mami's character is handled. On the one hand I like her personality and character design and she fits the leader role rather well (she had the best transformation imo, other then maybe Homura's final one) but she just doesn't seem to play that important of a role in the later parts of TRS. I'm sort of glad she was able to beat Homura in a fight, since it's easy to forget (because of the TV series) that she is actually a really tough magical girl, although I have to say after re-watching the fight there's something bugging me: was Mami fighting with a ribbon clone that entire time? I never really noticed any good opportunities during the fight for her to be able to switch herself out so I can't help but wonder if she just sat back that entire fight and let her clone do all the work? If so that is way too OP, and with abilities like that Mami should not have even ever had to put her life in danger in the TV series to begin with.

 

One thing I did watch for that I was really surprised when I saw was before the fight between Mami and Homura, at Mami's apartment you can see a yellow ribbon come out from Mami as she is walking passed Homura (same one that is attached to her foot most the fight) right before Homura stops time, grabs Bebe, and run's away. It's something you can only really notice if your specifically watching for it but I was really impressed that they explained that part, since I was wondering when Mami would have being able to do so. Great attention to detail on that part.

 

I also like how you could see Homura initially thought to go for the kill after she thought she got the upper hand on Mami but was unable to do so, honestly her shooting to kill Mami who was frozen terrified that Homura was going to kill herself would have made me hate Homura far more then anything else she's done, and it's nice to see that there's still a part of her that cares about the other girls lives even if she did have to take a moment to think about it.

 

I like that they gave Mami a companion in Nagisa (even though that may be the only reason Nagisa was added...). It was pretty soul crushing to read the Different Story manga and realize just how lonely this girl is and for how long she remains that way, I'm actually impressed she did not succumb to despair during that time (especially since she knows show could have saved her parents =/).  What's interesting is that much of her loneliness stems from her uncompromising nature when it comes to justice and doing what is right, it's sad how many people are attracted to her sense of justice (which reminds me of her witch Candeloro who is described as having "an inviting nature, which is very fitting) and yet pushed away as a result of it. Being able to see her happy with all the other girls alive and friends with her was very touching, and it's something I feel she really deserved even if it was only for a bit.

 

My favorite Mami moment was easily her fight with Homura. So OP...

 

My thoughts on Sayaka

 

(I swear, every time I re-watch this series, I end up liking Sayaka more and more.)

 

Spoiler

So Sayaka still has her soul gem in ring form by the end of the series, which seems rather interesting since it was implied that the magical girl system was no longer needed in it's current form. I guess it would make sense since she was still able to summon Octavia after Homura introduces a new principle into the universe. But still, it make's me wonder how the new system works with the magical girls, although admittedly I only had a limited understanding of the Wraith/Nightmare system worked to begin with.

 

One thing I was aware of because of the internet but did not really notice until this time around (since I was watching for it) was how there were different variables for Sayaka in the timelines and how you can mainly see them through the witches designs (both Octavia and Wulpurgis) which I thought was incredibly awesome in a subtle way, she also has different familiars in the 10th episode. If what i heard is true (I think it is since I've heard it a number of times) apparently in most timelines Kyosuke was into guitar and Sayaka liked rock instead of classical If what this site say's is true (I can verify a few points, but not all of them... I really want those drama CD's and the PSP game since I keep hearing about them) it may be because of Homura that Sayaka became a magical girl in the first place.

 

Also I don't know if it would count as a different variable for her, but interestingly enough in the manga it is strongly implied Sayaka murders those two guys on the train (she is shown walking off the train in her magical girl uniform with her sword covered in blood right after the conversation) however in the anime it is left open (Although I've read somewhere that Shinbo explicitly states that in the anime it is implied she didn't)

 

I want to go back and re-watch the TV series (I'll wait a bit though lol) since I know there are a few changes made to her scenes and dialogue. I've heard a number of people complain about a few of her changes in the movies with Sayaka some of which I could see myself agreeing with. I know a line of dialogue was removed after Sayaka snaps at Madoka after the Elsa Maria fight in which she expresses regret at her own actions. There's also the scene in which Homura makes one last attempt to offer her a grief seed and when that fails tries and stop her before she turns into a witch in the TV series that is removed. As much as I adore Sayaka I have to admit that these both did kind of add to the weight of her downwards spiral, so I kind of wish the movie kept them in (more Sayaka? Yes please!)

 

I have several moments with Sayaka I absolutely love, and I find it a bit difficult to choose her best moment. The Elsa Maria fight was beautifully handled and executed, the OST (WHY CAN'T I FIND THIS VERSION OF DECRETUM ON THE OST?!!?!) animation and progress of her character arc just blend together perfectly. I also especially enjoyed her interaction with Homura during TRS when they are in the alley way, Sayaka's words to Homura have more meaning then she realized "We don't have to fight anyone. We can all live, working together. Is the heart that wished for that so singful that it needs to be destroyed?". I also really like the track that plays during that scene (The fan name is "Pulling my own weight").

 

 

My thoughts on Kyoko

 

Spoiler

 

Heh for someone who comes off as such a ****** when you first meet her, Kyoko is rather lovable. I guess it's hard to hate a spunky readhead girl with a sweet tooth.

 

There's actually not a whole lot about Kyoko I want to say that has not already being said in previous posts. Most of what I find interesting about her is how she interacts with the rest of the group, especially Sayaka (I'll say it again, I like how her and Sayaka know how to press each others buttons). It's cool how she is shown on several occasions (The TV series, early on in TRS and the different story manga) to be natural allies with Homura, who mostly becomes alienated from the rest of the group after the first few timelines. I also found it amusing that her and Madoka clicked so well despite having personalities that would normally clash.

 

One complaint is I think they could have expanded more on her and Mami's relationship, which is built up in the manga when it shows the two were once mentor/student and quite close. Since they are both had such different mindsets I see it a missed opportunity to take advantage of a good dynamic, but oh well, I do think they were right to put the main focus on Sayaka and Kyoko overall though. Also like Mami she did not really play any major role in the third movie BUT I'm glad that they did address the relationship between her and Sayaka which was a little lackluster in the original (I think it was Animus who originally said this, and I agree with)

 

My favorite Kyoko moment is her last moments before she sacrifices herself in order to stop Octavia. You really get to see her come full circle as a person and as a result make an incredibly hard sacrifice with a level of conviction that is both heart breaking and yet uplifting at the same time. In terms of sacrifices made in stories, this one really hit me hard and was able to dramatically effect my opinion of Kyoko. Go figure, one of the most uplifting moments in the series and its when a character is killing herself to kill her friend (pretty typical for Gen's work tbh)

 

My thoughts on Madoka

 

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(FYI This will be less about things I noticed and more just me gushing about how I felt about her character execution... sorry lol)

 

Initially I didn't care for Madoka's character much, mainly because I was expecting her to become a magical girl much, MUCH earlier and I'm not normally a fan of characters that spend most the time crying, though by the ending of S1 and after my 2nd viewing I came to view her quite a bit differently. Funny enough, my initial impression just made me like her even more when I finally came to understand what was going on and just how well her role in the story was executed. As the main character of the most deceiving show I have ever seen, it makes sense that my first impression would be almost entirely wrong. 

 

Madoka was like a sponge for all the despair in the series, everything that happened to the people around her she felt. She doesn't cry as much as she does because she is weak willed, she cries because she is genuinely a caring person who can't turn her back on others suffering even when she herself does not know how to make it better. And as a result of her facing that and letting herself feel what happens to others rather then bury it she is able to become (imo) the most mature character in the entire series. That role of being an observer fits rather well when you realize that most of the series is just building up to her final decision so that you can understand the weight behind her wish and decision (I really appreciate the focus the story has on why the decisions are being made rather then just going from one plot point to another) I'm also am happy that TRS took it one step further and explored whether it was right for her to have to have made a decision like that rather then just romanticizing her sacrifice.

 

As someone who loves character driven stories I rather like that the focus ended up being on Madoka's relationship with the girls and their relationships with each other rather then about them just overcoming and fighting witches. That added a lot of substance to this series for me and makes me respect Madoka as a character quite a bit.

 

Her relationship with Homura interests me to no end. The duality that exists between the two is simply amazing. It's funny how people spend so much time arguing whether or not Homura and Madoka are in love, since the real scary question comes once you accept they are in love and start questioning what the nature of love even is, which is what I believe the story intended (basically a deconstruction of the concept). The people who worry so much on whether or not it should be classified as yuri are just going to keep getting trolled by Gen if he ever makes a sequel. Animus, you may be frustrated by the fans, but Gens laughing at them. He is intentionally tormenting people and you either have to applaud how well he does it or curse what a bastard he is for doing it. For me I do a bit of both.

 

It's pretty much like Gen's using people's love of yuri to bait them into a trap and make them actually think. That sick magnificent bastard

 

My favorite Madoka moment is during the third timeline 3 in episode 10 when her and Homura are talking after the Wulpurgis fight, and Madoka asks Homura to prevent her to go back in time to stop her from becoming a magical girl, and also to prevent her from becoming a witch before she does that. Don't get me wrong it was completely soul crushing, but god damn was it powerful Madoka expressing happiness at Homura finally calling her by name right as her soul gem explodes was... and that she used Sayaka's grief seed to do so just made it all the more impactful.

 

My thoughts on Homura

 

Spoiler

 

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here's fanart!

 

(She's somehow even more glorious then Kerrigan )

 

My favorite Homura moment is when she crushed the hopes and dreams of fans around the world during the biggest "W.T.F." moment I've seen in a movie, anime or show. Well played my dear, well played...

 

@Animus, just a few things from your last post

 

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-In regards to Madoka's connection with Godoka it's hard to say. Overall the series leaves a lot of the lore about the witches and explanations as to how the systems work either vaguely explained, unexplained or expanded on it other works.

 

-I applaud how subtle this show can be as well as the attention to detail. I love it when a story can stick in meaningful moment's that you will only notice if you are really paying attention, it makes multiple viewings so much more worth it. Then again it drives me crazy to think there is so much I'm probably still missing even with how much time I have spent reading up on the series and re-watching it (I haven't had so much fun with subtleties in a movie since Blade Runner Directors cut). In addition to what you mentioned with Sayaka striking the gears I also really like how Homura's shield is basically modeled to be a giant watch. I actually have the innards of a watch the looks the EXACT same as hers.

 

-You obviously appreciate good voice acting Homura definitely had my favorite VA in the show.

 

-I agree about the opening, and as I stated in my Madoka post I'm quite aware of Gens joy in messing with the fanbase. Gen does not simply make decisions to please the fans, and as Ume Aoki pointed out "Gen Urobuchi does not give out happiness that easily"

 

- "The series has always been about balance, between hope and despair. That makes Homura's choice to be the devil to Madoka's god just feel natural. In saying that, she still doesn't feel like an actual antagonist but the series for me has always treaded a very grey line as far as actual antagonists are concerned. Yes, in her own words she undermined god but does that make her an antagonist? Not in my book. One could say it was the witches in the majority of the timelines but taking the time to ponder the fact that it was their own breaking points that caused the shift either makes them so called sympathetic villains or just downright grey. Sayaka highlights this in the aforementioned alley scene by asking if the person that created a barrier where everyone is around and seemingly happy is a bad thing. It could of course be said that the Incubators are the villain but at the same time, they are grey enough for me to just view them as having motivations outside of what humans deem acceptable. In Godoka's new world, it made the Incubators almost docile because it broke the way the system normally works. Kind of akin to (temporarily as we see in Rebellion) caging a beast instead of outwardly defeating it. In Homucifer's world, it's become a proper revenge act against the Incubators. They're now the ones shouldering all the despair they at one point pushed on girls for so many centuries. A bit of the old 'Do unto others what has been done to you'. If there's one way to make even an entity that doesn't outright understand human emotion rethink its choices, it's to push its former actions back around on it. Yes they have spare bodies but the fuzzed out eyes of the Incubator we see at the very end suggests that there's some proper mental damage being done to them now too."

 

100% agreed!

 

 

Just some random thoughts and a few questions

 

Spoiler

 

-I confess: I forgot Elly's name well watching the movies and it drove me crazy to no end. I was a little bit disappointed myself. I mean how do I only forget the witch with the shortest friggen name?

 

-Those shaft headtilts XD

 

-I think I may be the only person who agrees with Junko's decision to allow Madoka to go out during the storm, furthermore I respect her for it. I mean can you imagine how hard it would be for a mother to do that? In any other case I would say that would be the worse mother ever, but I like to think it's because Junko knew Madoka well enough to understand that Madoka would not put her life at risk and hurt her parents without a good reason, she treated her daughter as an adult because despite her age, because Madoka was essentially an adult.

 

-Notice how they will change the camera angle like 10 times in a scene but rarely ever reuse the same image? We've come a long way from the repeating backgrounds in older cartoons lol. You can tell they put a crazy amount of time and effort into each scene.

 

Questions:

 

1. What is with all the chairs in the show? XD

 

2. Does it seem like the city is abnormally empty for most the TV show/first 2 movies to you?

 

3. What's the deal with Homura's family/living situation? It seemed like such an odd thing not to go into that I have to figure it was intentional.

 

I think that's enough for now. It's time to go to bed and give my brain a rest. Somehow I doubt this will be my last PMMM post so anything else I can save for later (like attempting to talk about Homura...) I mainly typed up this post with Animus in mind so I tried to avoid repeating previous posts too much, but thank you to anyone who is crazy enough to take the time to read this!

 

Animus I'm excited to hear your notes on the series, and don't be afraid to gush a bit! As you have probably guessed by now I can't get enough of it

 

@mhmba, I'll type up a response to your post after I've had time to rest. sorry, I kind of wanted to add it to this post but I'm too tired atm ><.

[Mr.House]

You know what's starting to bug me. Mathew Mercer was pretty good as Chrom and did a decent job as Kanji when Troy left the show, so why the hell is he doing such a crappy job as Levi? And it's not just the acting, it's the massive changes to the script.

 

"Lets take it like a man shall we?"

"easy big stuff. nobody's got time for a cry-baby."

 

WTF is that? That is so dam OOC that dub Levi is not even Levi. It's just a new generic badass cocky leader that is sporting Levi's face. Yes sometimes small script changes happen in dubs but good dubs only change something or even none. Funimation went way too far. Really as much as I hate Aniplex with their high prices, at least when it comes to dubs they don't royally screw it up like Funimation does.

 

/mini rant

/Levi fanboy

[Lotion Soronarr]

Damn...Spice and Wolf kinda just...stops.

 

Got to say it got me pretty invested for a show that was so much about talking and economics.

[Mr.House]

The big issue is the dialog change. It not only changes the mood now but the character. Levi, as created by Hajime Isayama would not say that stuff. This is funimation Levi, not the Levi we all know and love.

[eroeru]

Neither are most anime characters who are dubbed the ones that are loved.

 

They are changed to "fit" Western audiences better. Half of the dialogue usually changes meaning.

 

Japanese cultural intricacies, which are really interesting, are mostly omitted even. Which changes characters moreso.

[CrazyRah]

Finished Sengoku Basara season 1 last night. The first 2-3 episodes were so-so but it was later when characters had managed to establish themself i felt the anime became quite alright. It had some energy in it that tried to fill the large hole that KLK left 

 

[eroeru]

I saw "Naussica of the Valley of the Wind" yesterday. Did anyone else feel bad for the Giant Warrior when he melted?

 

Where did you see it? In theaters? Perhaps during a Japanese animation festival? (I'm asking because just yesterday Valley of the Wind got airtime in a local theater around here. Too much of a coincidence to follow you watched it here, but I ask nontheless.

 

But this time, it was rubbish - luckily I got in free, otherwise I would have been pretty much angry and wanted a refund. *It was dubbbed*. Not only in English, but the English was overdubbed by my native language. That's a damn flop, as it was advertised as with original audio! Nothing left of the original. I left as soon as I heard first couple of lines. :/

 

Imagine going to see a movie by your favorite American or English director, which is advertised as being in original form, i.e. in English. Now you arrive to the cinema, and what do you get? A Russian dub, with a German (or your local, if local language is not German nor English) dub over it.

Or that you'd see a movie from your non-English home country. And it got the same treatment yet vice versa. Russian dub with an English overdub.

 

Dubs suck is what I'm saying. They're only good for stuff for kids who can't read. /snobbb

[Mr.House]

Neither are most anime characters who are dubbed the ones that are loved.

 

They are changed to "fit" Western audiences better. Half of the dialogue usually changes meaning.

 

Japanese cultural intricacies, which are really interesting, are mostly omitted even. Which changes characters moreso.

I watched Gurren Lagann both subbed and dubbed and the quality of both where very even for me to the point no characters where ruined (some characters where better in the sub and some where better in the dub) but their integrity was not ruined. Neither is this a case in other such thing that have decent to good dubs. For some reason Funimation didn't give a crap and it shows by the massive change in dialog to make the dialog more funnier, which I'm sorry is not to make it fit the west, because plenty of dark stories that have been localized where never changed this badly, it was done to make cheap laughs that failed.

 

The only time a character is not what we loved in a dub is when the dub frankly sucks because they got the wrong actor for the character or they changed the dialog way to drastic to the point you can't recognize it not because it's a dub.