So, saw the first ghost in the shell arise. It's ****.
I get it that the original Ghost in the Shell was Shirow's only masterwork, and that nowadays he does just erotica, but I'm still quite baffled how he let the franchise get watered down as much...
Nothing, huh? Slow day, I guess. For off-topic, anyway...
Now that I've taken some time to collect my thoughts, I suppose I can give a more proper response. Sadly, I don't usually resolve my anime feels with discussion. I usually resolve them simply with despair. But I'll give this a shot.
Spoiler
The only reason I took so long between watching the anime and watching the movie was that, after the last few episodes, and seeing comments on youtube OST tracks spoiling the existence of 'Homucifer' in the movie and talking about how she became evil (misleading in hindsight), my body just wasn't ready for even more Homura suffering. It took me that long just to be ready.
Turns out Homura's arc is actually kind of beautiful. It is full of suffering, as expected, but I don't get quite the feel I expected from her supposed dark descent. The way these events were originally set in motion by Kyuubey's "experiment" both fits perfectly with Kyuubey's sociopathic character, and also mitigates some of the blame from Homucifer, who I figured had orchestrated it all from the beginning. I do understand that there is ultimately a very selfish aspect of her final act, particularly where she violently 'tears apart' the aspect of Godoka to bring Madoka back to Earth. This selfishness totally gels with her character and how obsessed she is, but I don't think that's all it is for her. At this point, I think it's still, as she sees it, her only way of stopping Kyuubey. She still desperately doesn't want Kyuubey to realize his goal of controlling Godoka, which seems all but inevitable without intervention. I can't fault her for that at all, really. Maybe even that can be called selfish in its own way, but I wouldn't call it wrong.
Still, more than ever I want another season out of this now, because no way is Kyuubey done yet (despite being battered to heck, which is kinda satisfying) and Madoka clearly isn't going to stay oblivious for very long. Homura did what she thought she had to, but her solution... isn't enough. It won't last.
If I had anything to complain about, I guess I'm not a huge fan of the yuri flags becoming yuri canon. I mean, I guess that's not really bad or anything, but whatever. I liked when I could imagine they were just... really good friends. Also, while the story overall was great, nothing really took my feels and ran them through an industrial trash compactor quite like Sayaka's breakdown in the anime, or Homura's own breakdowns in the last few episodes (especially the very last one). The movie also felt a little heavy handed with the whole "lurv is da biggest emotion" theming at the end. For these things I suppose I bump my rating for the movie down a point from the anime, so instead of a 10, it only gets a 10. Like I said, not too bad.
Without more directed prompting, I guess that's all I have at the moment. I'm not really one to write books to resolve the tangled threads, but I suppose I feel better writing out what little I had at the front of my mind.
I'm in the middle of no longer being a slug and making more progress in KlK (just finished 13. Nui, you little ****. ) so I fear if I switch my brain back over to PMMM mode now, I might explode from different thought processes. I'll chime in about your thoughts proper after I get some sleep but I'm glad to see you enjoyed it! :3
I also laughed far too much at 2am for your score, so thank you for that.
Nothing, huh? Slow day, I guess. For off-topic, anyway...
Now that I've taken some time to collect my thoughts, I suppose I can give a more proper response. Sadly, I don't usually resolve my anime feels with discussion. I usually resolve them simply with despair. But I'll give this a shot.
Spoiler
The only reason I took so long between watching the anime and watching the movie was that, after the last few episodes, and seeing comments on youtube OST tracks spoiling the existence of 'Homucifer' in the movie and talking about how she became evil (misleading in hindsight), my body just wasn't ready for even more Homura suffering. It took me that long just to be ready.
Turns out Homura's arc is actually kind of beautiful. It is full of suffering, as expected, but I don't get quite the feel I expected from her supposed dark descent. The way these events were originally set in motion by Kyuubey's "experiment" both fits perfectly with Kyuubey's sociopathic character, and also mitigates some of the blame from Homucifer, who I figured had orchestrated it all from the beginning. I do understand that there is ultimately a very selfish aspect of her final act, particularly where she violently 'tears apart' the aspect of Godoka to bring Madoka back to Earth. This selfishness totally gels with her character and how obsessed she is, but I don't think that's all it is for her. At this point, I think it's still, as she sees it, her only way of stopping Kyuubey. She still desperately doesn't want Kyuubey to realize his goal of controlling Godoka, which seems all but inevitable without intervention. I can't fault her for that at all, really. Maybe even that can be called selfish in its own way, but I wouldn't call it wrong.
Still, more than ever I want another season out of this now, because no way is Kyuubey done yet (despite being battered to heck, which is kinda satisfying) and Madoka clearly isn't going to stay oblivious for very long. Homura did what she thought she had to, but her solution... isn't enough. It won't last.
If I had anything to complain about, I guess I'm not a huge fan of the yuri flags becoming yuri canon. I mean, I guess that's not really bad or anything, but whatever. I liked when I could imagine they were just... really good friends. Also, while the story overall was great, nothing really took my feels and ran them through an industrial trash compactor quite like Sayaka's breakdown in the anime, or Homura's own breakdowns in the last few episodes (especially the very last one). The movie also felt a little heavy handed with the whole "lurv is da biggest emotion" theming at the end. For these things I suppose I bump my rating for the movie down a point from the anime, so instead of a 10, it only gets a 10. Like I said, not too bad.
Without more directed prompting, I guess that's all I have at the moment. I'm not really one to write books to resolve the tangled threads, but I suppose I feel better writing out what little I had at the front of my mind.
Err sorry, I admit I have not kept an eye on the thread much today, got caught up watching a few things myself.
W00t, good to hear you liked it! Definitely one of my favorite anime movies (actually it is my favorite if my mini-books on them have being any indication of that XD)
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Even when you know about Homucifer existence you still can't fully prepare for how things go down. Short of reading a synopsis or the likes I doubt it would have mattered much for me, although going into it blind was definitely the ideal way to go.
I'm just going to make some stupid noises and say that sums up my thought's for Homura because there's no possible way for me to start talking about her without it turning into a very long post XD
Gotta love QB and the incubators, they created not 1, but 2 god's by accident That's what it gets for being so greedy. I love where it winds up before the end, talk about karmic justice
70% cheap, lame, girly anime about bunch of 10-16 years old girls and boys
20% Manga (any kind)
10% Other kinds of anime: Epic & Legend, Horror, Comedy & Humor etc.
I wish there was more people with better taste in anime here.
I like dark anime, so in other words, the stuff that's in the 10%. I don't post in this thread because there aren't any discussions that I've seen in this thread so far to do with what I watch.
All anime is good anime - even if it's just an acid trip it'll be entertaining.
But yeah, nobody is stopping you guys from sparking up your own conversation about x y or z here. Look at Isichar and Animus, they both go at it with PMMM and no one really bothers them by saying 'stop it' or 'just give it a rest.' I enjoy their conversations, but my knowledge on PMMM isn't enough to participate.
If you want to go and talk about Cowboy Bebop's themes, go ahead! You want to talk about the intricacies of Ghost in the Shell? Go ahead! You want to gush about how freaking awesome Satsuki is? I'LL F*CKING JOIN YOU!
But please don't bad mouth one of the few threads where you can actually ESCAPE from the BSN's supposed 'toxicity.' It's rather contradictory from your tastes.
The best thing about this damned medium is the variety. It's not like anime can be bottled down to just one thing. So go ahead! Discuss. We all seem to co-exist no matter what our tastes.
A Kaiser Arian post. Nothing to see here folks. Just move along.
Got sidetracked from my plan of watching Psycho-Pass after seeing a review of one of Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei's episodes. Liked the first two episodes I just saw. Tatsuya's a nice break from rambunctious protagonists like Ryuko, Naruto, Natsu, and the like. Calm, cool, collected, and seems to already be competent abilities wise.
Puzzlewell, Clover Rider, The Hierophant et 1 autre aiment ceci
But please don't bad mouth one of the few threads where you can actually ESCAPE from the BSN's supposed 'toxicity.' It's rather contradictory from your tastes.
The best thing about this damned medium is the variety. It's not like anime can be bottled down to just one thing. So go ahead! Discuss. We all seem to co-exist no matter what our tastes.
I never bad mouthed the anime everyone else liked (Unless you were talking to that guy and not just the two of us), all I said was I never posted because there weren't conversations about what I watch, thus, I didn't find any reason to join in.
But overall, I agree that everyone's opinions and tastes should be respected.
So been watching Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood over the last few nights. It's one of those animes that i never got around to watching and now have a large pile to pick from. About 14 episodes in so far and it's been quite enjoyable so far and with some moments i can't help but to love it.
I'm in the middle of no longer being a slug and making more progress in KlK (just finished 13. Nui, you little ****. ) so I fear if I switch my brain back over to PMMM mode now, I might explode from different thought processes. I'll chime in about your thoughts proper after I get some sleep but I'm glad to see you enjoyed it! :3
I also laughed far too much at 2am for your score, so thank you for that.
Oh gosh Nui! I never really know what i feel about her. Always end up so uncertain
As much as I'm enjoyed my ongoing animes that are currently airing I miss looking forward to KLK and Chu2 on Thursdays. It was seriously the highlight of my week during the winter season.
Being watching one week friends, it's on episode 3 ATM. I'm liking it. It's definitely one of those animes to hit the feels nerve, which is impressive considering how early on it still is. Probably something Sim would enjoy I think.
Alright! I've gotten some sleep and had some coffee so as of now I'm set to be far less drool all over my keyboard mental tired and can ramble at Puddikoma without just making stupid noises. Don't worry, I promise I'm going to reign in all my words so I'm not overwhelming you.
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Much like you, I had Homucifer's existence spoiled for me shortly after I finished the series (I watched it in December and in the PMMM tag on Tumblr, there was (admittedly it was really hilarious in hindsight but it still frustrated me) a mockup poster of End of Evangelion with the characters swapped out and the text changed to 'Holy ****. Did she just become the devil?'. I was a fair bit frustrated and just the same as you, spent the next few months fretting over the fact that a series that relied on exploring the greys was going to shift to being more black and white. Needless to say I was wrong and I personally couldn't be happier with how everything was handled.
From the point of the real 'twist' (first finding out that it's Homura's labyrinth they're in) is for me where the movie truly starts becoming a masterpiece. At some point I do want to make a proper speech on why I love it so much but right now, getting my thoughts on it in a coherent manner is difficult. Sayaka's and Homura's arcs are the points in the series that mean the most to me and them ending up on very different sides of the coin in TRS couldn't have felt more perfect imho. You're entrely spot on for me about Homura's arc being beautiful and TRS only furthered that in my book. From the experimentation explanation onwards, right til the scene shifts back to the school near end might have to be my favorite chunk of a movie ever because not only is it visually and musically astounding, but the emotional jumps and 'Holy ****. Did that just happen?' (looking at you beloved caught you scene...) moments are still so in line with the series.
I'm 110% with you on wanting a new season so bad it almost hurts. At the end of the series, I already knew of TRS existence so I knew there was more coming but I couldn't figure out where exactly they'd go with it. After TRS? There are so many possibilities now that I truly have no idea how this is going to go (though I do have a ton of little ideas). To think that TRS was supposed to be season 2 but they felt they couldn't stretch it out to fit the full 12 episode set up of a season, so when proper 'season 2' comes around eventually, it's potentially going to kill me to watch it serialized.
I'd also like to thank you for sharing your thoughts. I know you said it isn't something you often do to work out your feelings for a series so I just wanted to chime in on appreciating that you did it. Like Isi has said before, we can't exactly have objective conversations about it because we feel the very same so it often just descends into asfaofhohfa gushing or rambling about the pieces that feel like they lead into the viewpoints we share. I've spent enough time in the PMMM tag on Tumblr and seen enough meltdowns about the movie to just be thankful that you listed the things you weren't crazy about in a constructive manner instead of just having a meltdown and being done with it. Long story short? Thank you. :3
CrazyRah: As of right now (episode 14 is where I stopped in order to properly sleep) I think she's amazing in one of those "You're a vaguely infuriating ******* but I can't help but think you're clever..." sorts of things. I should have suspected what happened in 13 but by the time that little reveal came about, I was grinning like an absolute idiot.
As an aside, I'd like to note that this topic is pretty much what keeps me coming back to the board. It got me some wonderful friendships and even if I don't actively participate when the topic is on a series I haven't seen, I really enjoy the general atmosphere here. Everyone's pretty relaxed or we have fun being derps and gushing over what we enjoy, and it gives me plenty of suggestions for things to add to my future watch list. Far better sort of thing than the rest of the board which can be well... let's just say head meets wall is putting it as nicely as physically possible.
Ani is hesitant to start going into why the twist makes the movie a masterpiece because she knows once she starts she's going to end up typing up a book
He's telling the truth... It'll potentially be way too many words yet again.
For the record, I can't stop listening to Blumenkranz yet again and it's been a few pages since we had it posted so here, join me in having it stuck in your head. >__<