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[Seraphim24]

Hey, so.. I don't have much to add to the Bleach discussion but I was wondering if anyone wanted to share how they feel about Claymore? The first time I saw the anime it felt very shonen-y to the point where I wasn’t very interested. However, I watched it again recently and yes there are some lengthy fights but it’s also some serious emotional knife twisting with some overwhelmingly gentle characters like Clare and Raki pitted against a horrifyingly brutal gothic fantasy world. Consequently I started going oh yeah this one is pretty potent stuff. For those who don't know what I'm talking about it's this thing.
 
http://en.wikipedia....laymore_(manga)

 

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There are also things like Teresa’s whole situation and the side characters that I really find interesting such as Fiora, Miria, Galatea, and even Ophelia in some way or another. I guess maybe because the anime ending is different and it doesn’t feel very complete story-wise, it makes it so I’m not as sure what to think about it. Also personally I thought the music was very meh.

[Khayness]

 

Postmodernism at its finest. Playfully using the unique presentation a sheet of paper can grant, it's seemingly a hack job wasting space. But it's actually making a statement with leaving everything blank, highlighting the only thing that truly matters.

 

The heart.

 

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Okay, okay, I stop.

For now.

[Mr.House]

Agreed. It really put me off a lot. The only reason I continued reading was because I enjoyed the setting too much for it to be let go. It like if that kid from the sixth sense said 'lol u dead' and then the credits came it.

 

Good thing it does A LOT of awesome stuff to compensate from that terrible execution.

Indeed, he really made up for that blunder after but hopefully the anime team improves that part. If the first season is any indication they have been following the source material very well along with putting there own stuff that does not feel out of place. Though they really need to start building up Ymir and Christa or they'll be in the deep end with no legs and arms.

[Lotion Soronarr]

That's because it is mostly coherent and fun and Bleach is not. I will say it again One Piece is better than Bleach.

 

Probably.

Yet I still prefer the Bleach universe to One Piece. Death, shinigami, etc.. are more interesting than pirates who eat magical fruit to get cartoony powers.

[Dean_the_Young]

I figure this might be appreciated here.

 

[Shermos]

I like that dude, usually go over to his channel to see anime reviews.

 

The only thing I don't like about Ark's reviews is that he tends to go easy on stuff. There are some shows you can tell he didn't think were good, but he still gives them a good score and a "stream it" recommendation instead of "STAY THE **** AWAY!!!111!!". He tries to cater for everyone to the exclusion of his own views. There's nothing wrong with that, but sometimes I like to watch a hate filled review for a show I also didn't like *cough*Kill la Kill*cough*.

[Khayness]

There's nothing wrong with that, but sometimes I like to watch a hate filled review for a show I also didn't like *cough*Kill la Kill*cough*.

 

Easy now. Not liking KLK is heresy here.

[Dean_the_Young]

Bleach was good when it started, then the massive pacing issues started, then the shitty writing really took ful lforce, then Bleach lost great fighting scenes leaving any reason to watch the show worthless.

 

I read through the Soul Society arc and the reveal of Aizen, and maintain that up to that point it was quite good. The conspiracy and in-fighting were well done, fights still had some manner of tension with Ichigo just kinda-sorta at the level of other elites, and the initial supporting cast was both relevant and useful in their own right.

 

Soul Society felt like a team effort on all sides. The exponential growth rate hadn't really kicked in yet, as defeating the Hollows was kinda expected of competent shinigami, while the various groups and sub-groups within the Soul Society made it feel like they were roughly compatible with eachother power-wise. Some were stronger, some were weaker, but none of them felt untouchable or unstoppable- if a Captain stood against another Captain, it was serious news and a power check, rather than a question of 'who is it? Psh, no chance.' I don't even remember their names, but when the old super-dude is confronted by his two students over moral differences of the rightness of the course of action, I understood that two-against-one implied the power at stake but I also didn't feel it was some hopeless contest against a virtually insurmountable power level.

 

Aizen's success was impressive not just because of the deceit, which was credible, but because his manipulations put the Soul Society into gridlock rather than unified against him. His finger-block of Ichigo, rather than being a harbinger of the virtually omnipotent/omniscient figure, was instead a reminder that Ichigo, despite his growth, still had a long ways to go before he was truly powerful, and shaded the recent loss of Rukia's brother as both a taxing event and a circumstantial victory that might not have occurred in other contexts (like the guilt trip).

 

Aizen was powerful, but not omnipotent- he needed Soul Society divided against itself to move forward with his ambitions. He was clever, but not completely successful- unpredicted factors interfered and threatened him. Ichigo was strong, but not overshadowing his peers to the point that they were token assists. The Captains were important wildcards, rather than cast stuffing..

 

It's a shame they didn't keep that.

[Dean_the_Young]

Probably.

Yet I still prefer the Bleach universe to One Piece. Death, shinigami, etc.. are more interesting than pirates who eat magical fruit to get cartoony powers.

 

At least One Piece never goes far from its roots of being about cartoony pirates with superpowers and idealism eclipsing common sense. Bleach got progressively further and further away from the concept and themes of an afterlife and became about confronting one man's inflated yet hyper-competent ego.  And then it became about trying to find something else to focus on because it lost Aizen.

 

I thought Bleach was more interesting early on, when it seemed like a struggle in and of the afterlife, but gradually the idea of Shinigami just became the set dressing for shounen fights rather than a story about the uneasy dead.

[Il Divo]

Yeah, it's a damn shame. I absolutely loved Bleach Season 1. Then we got to the Arrancar arc and it felt like Soul Society Arc 2.0, without alot of the more intriguing squabbles. Part of me wishes that they resolved Aizen's storyline in the Soul Society arc. At least that way, it could stand alone. 

 

In other news, I just got through watching Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Night. Overall, I enjoyed both shows quite a bit, maybe Fate/Zero a bit more so. I think they did an excellent job of balancing out the magic vs. servants vs. modern tools (guns, grenades, etc). I was a little disappointed by the resolution of both Gilgamesh and Kire and Stay Night, unfortunately. Seeing how strong they were in both animes, I had trouble buying into how Saber and Shirou managed to put them down. 

[Dean_the_Young]

Hey, so.. I don't have much to add to the Bleach discussion but I was wondering if anyone wanted to share how they feel about Claymore? The first time I saw the anime it felt very shonen-y to the point where I wasn’t very interested. However, I watched it again recently and yes there are some lengthy fights but it’s also some serious emotional knife twisting with some overwhelmingly gentle characters like Clare and Raki pitted against a horrifyingly brutal gothic fantasy world. Consequently I started going oh yeah this one is pretty potent stuff. For those who don't know what I'm talking about it's this thing.
 
http://en.wikipedia....laymore_(manga)

 

Spoiler

There are also things like Teresa’s whole situation and the side characters that I really find interesting such as Fiora, Miria, Galatea, and even Ophelia in some way or another. I guess maybe because the anime ending is different and it doesn’t feel very complete story-wise, it makes it so I’m not as sure what to think about it. Also personally I thought the music was very meh.

 

Claymore is something that's better to read than to watch. Besides the narrative continuity, it's simply more impressive visually with the artwork, and mercifully quieter on the ears than the anime. There are a few points in the anime that were stirring, but mostly I though the fights were forced and the tensions lacked weight.

 

It was one of the first female-centric manga I read, and I enjoyed it quite a bit.

[Dean_the_Young]

In other news, I just got through watching Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Night. Overall, I enjoyed both shows quite a bit, maybe Fate/Zero a bit more so. I think they did an excellent job of balancing out the magic vs. servants vs. modern tools (guns, grenades, etc). I was a little disappointed by the resolution of both Gilgamesh and Kire and Stay Night, unfortunately. Seeing how strong they were in both animes, I had trouble buying into how Saber and Shirou managed to put them down. 

Because Shirou is a harem hero, that's how.

 

The whole Fate universe, extended and otherwise, is one of those things where I can appreciate the thought behind it but find it a bit pretentious in practice. It probably has to do with how they bandy it about as a war, and somehow a deconstruction of war, with 'clever' and 'intelligent' people who make prouncements and predictions about how they cleverly and logically deduced some gambit or strategy based on stuff that clearly makes sense if you're intelligent enough to think about it...

 

...and here I am, going 'No. That was not an obvious or intelligent conclusion. There were other possibilities you ignored, factors you didn't consider, and you aren't even weighing in your own limited information.'

 

But it's rule of cool, and I get that. I just don't think Rule of Cool meshes well with a universe that tries to codify magic.

[CrazyRah]

WHAT'S THAT ABOUT NOT LIKING KLK?

 

*snip*

 

I'LL KILL ALL Y'ALL MOFOS!!!!!

 

 

*cough*

 

Sorry, here in the BSN we are kind, respectful, level-headed people. Teehee!

 

*snip

 

Now don't say such evil things, i'm clearly not level-headed at all and entierly made up of crazy, right bro! 

Also what day did we say our weekly sacrifices of the heretics was again? It's hard to remember all the cult like things we do!

 

[CrazyRah]

Saw the end of ep8

 

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I forgot just how beautiful and depressing that final scene was. Isi, I'm being selfish here, but do you recall where you, Anima's and bro's novels were? Need to read them again. Seriously, I LIKED PMMM before, now I LOVE it.

 

Just because you are my bro i'll dig a few of mine up... this better get rewarded by some gushable gifs!

[Lotion Soronarr]

At least One Piece never goes far from its roots of being about cartoony pirates with superpowers and idealism eclipsing common sense. Bleach got progressively further and further away from the concept and themes of an afterlife and became about confronting one man's inflated yet hyper-competent ego.  And then it became about trying to find something else to focus on because it lost Aizen.

 

I thought Bleach was more interesting early on, when it seemed like a struggle in and of the afterlife, but gradually the idea of Shinigami just became the set dressing for shounen fights rather than a story about the uneasy dead.

 

True. But one big flaw of OP is it's art style.

It's great for the colorful, funny adventure part. But for those drama, emotional scenes it is horrible. Those stretched faces with 6890 liters of tears, mouth opened enough to swallow a truck, etc.

 

A very big disconnect between themes (comedy and drama). For me, such scenes never really worked good in OP because of that. IT's like someone telling a mournful euology with this face:

 

[CrazyRah]

It's first now that i realise that i did write a decent amount of novels about PMMM and i've yet to cover even a fraction of what i could talk about. 

Alright lets link to them all! Not all of them are novels and one or two might even be a bit short but nothing else really needed to be mentioned about that one topic at the time and i'm pretty sure i was still in a bit of trance when i wrote them.

 

14858 (The very first one!)

14871

14883

14913

14918

15013

15140

15175

 

You asked for it!