Save that discussion for the Persona thread.
Good god theres a lot of Persona in that Persona thread.
Finally got around to watching Code Geass... up to Ep 15 now. Good so far.
Yessss my favorite anime ever. Honestly, all there is so much CLAMP stuff I can go gush about forever. I finally saw X and my god it was brutal, but freaking extraordinary. It was like 3x harder to watch than Evangelion on the rawness scale.
Yesterday I had the chance to watch the first 13 episodes of "Attack on Titan" and I suppose it speaks well of the show that I could not un-glue myself from the screen until I had seen every single episode considering how grim the show is. The more Japanese anime I watch the more I realize how deep their grasp of human psychology is. AoT takes it time to explore every facet of a given story, something that surprised me a bit considering how TV shows these days are more concise and to the point, particularly when they have a running time of 20-40 minutes.
When I was first introduced to Eren Jaeger I thought the attack on Shiganshina would be over and done with in that episode with the following one taking place a few years later and showing us an older Eren who had trained to become a soldier. I could not have been more utterly wrong. AoT keeps time skips to a bare minimum while favouring a more day-to-day approach of the lives of Eren, Armin, and Mikasa. As a result, the pacing is a lot slower than I'm used to but no less captivating.
Like I said before, AoT takes a lot of time to explore the thoughts and feelings of a plethora of characters beyond the main three. In fact, given how much screentime each character gets for their own story arcs you'd be hard pressed to identify the leads. It's to the show's credit that even characters who may initially come across as villainous experience profound growth. Jean Kirstein comes to mind, once a violent young man who joined for selfish reasons but later faced a crucible in battle against the Titans and overcame his fears to lead his team mates to safety. Even then his arc doesn't stop as he is left wondering how many deaths his orders caused, beginning to grasp the burden of command.
There is a lot of death in this show, and frankly much more gruesome than I have a mind to watch. The show bombards you again and again with images of the grinning Titans munching on the, often living, bodies of civilians and soldiers alike, limbs flying here and there, all undoubtedly in an effort to let the despair and hopelessness they're feeling sink in. It works, to be sure, but I could use less of it.
As for the main characters, at least Eren and Mikasa appear to be strongly stereotypical if what little I've watched of anime is any guide. Eren is impulsive and rash, often unable to control his anger and lashing out at other people when they broach a subject he feels strongly about. His obsession with killing the Titans is decidedly unhealthy, if understandable, and will not help him control that anger anytime soon. Of course, it's this anger that drives him to action when fear paralyses the rest of his comrades but it also lead to the reckless endangerment and subsequent death of his team-mates in his first encounter with the Titans. I do hope he learns to get hold of himself because I can only suffer his angry routine for so long. Some of the secondary characters had better arcs and more growth in a single episode than he did in the first 13.
Mikasa is perfect. No, seriously, there's an episode where their training sergeant assesses each trainee's strengths and weaknesses and all he has to say about Mikasa is that she's flawless in anything she does. Really? Is that the best they could come up with? Was it too much to ask to give her a flaw so she could experience some growth as well? I suppose one could say her weakness is her attachment to Eren and there is an episode where she refuses to give in to the Titans because of him, turning her weakness into a strength. Unlike Eren, she's always cool, calm and collected, not to mention deadly with those blades she wields. Unfortunately, this degree of detachment carries into her relationship with others. For instance, there's this scene where Eren is yelling at his best friend Armin and Mikasa decides the best way to defuse this conflict is to punch him! Seriously? How about placing your hand on his shoulder and asking him to calm down for starters? Even among friends, but particularly when addressing Eren, she almost always adopts a condescendingly logical tone that prevents me from being too involved with her character as she doesn't show a lot of emotion.
Armin fares the better of the three, seeing himself as a burden at first but eventually gaining enough confidence to show his skills as a shrewd tactician. This confidence, boosted by the support and trust of both Eren and Mikasa, gives him the strength to overcome his fears and even venture into the field of battle on his own to rescue Eren in more than one occasion.
I'm uncertain whether to finish watching the remaining episodes of AoT. Not so much for the blood and gore and despair, for if it gets too heavy I can always tune out, but because the few Japanese anime shows I've seen always end in a cliffhanger and never get another season to wrap things up, getting me invested and, ultimately, disappointed.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on the show and, why not, a few recommendations. 
EDIT: It was thoughtless (THOUGHTLESS!) of me to forget about the wonderful music and animation but I have come to expect nothing less from Japanese anime. The drawing and colour palettes are absolutely wonderful and the action never once disappoints. My favourite moments are always when they're flying through the city with their cables. They're unbelievably fast with those things!
I stopped watching AoT after the 11th episode. For some reason, I can not stand Eren. I think he sounds a whiny *****. Mikasa is awesome though. I just started watching Magical Warfare. It looks like I will be done with it tonight since it's only 12 episodes.
I stopped watching AoT after the 11th episode. For some reason, I can not stand Eren. I think he sounds a whiny *****. Mikasa is awesome though. I just started watching Magical Warfare. It looks like I will be done with it tonight since it's only 12 episodes.
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I stopped watching AoT after the 11th episode.
You are crazy. 
I just don't like Eren. Every time he talks I want to punch him. He just sounds whiny the majority of the time.
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characters, at least Eren and Mikasa appear to be strongly stereotypical if what little I've watched of anime is any guide. Eren is impulsive and rash, often unable to control his anger and lashing out at other people when they broach a subject he feels strongly about. His obsession with killing the Titans is decidedly unhealthy, if understandable, and will not help him control that anger anytime soon. Of course, it's this anger that drives him to action when fear paralyses the rest of his comrades but it also lead to the reckless endangerment and subsequent death of his team-mates in his first encounter with the Titans. I do hope he learns to get hold of himself because I can only suffer his angry routine for so long. Some of the secondary characters had better arcs and more growth in a single episode than he did in the first 13.
Mikasa is perfect. No, seriously, there's an episode where their training sergeant assesses each trainee's strengths and weaknesses and all he has to say about Mikasa is that she's flawless in anything she does. Really? Is that the best they could come up with? Was it too much to ask to give her a flaw so she could experience some growth as well? I suppose one could say her weakness is her attachment to Eren and there is an episode where she refuses to give in to the Titans because of him, turning her weakness into a strength. Unlike Eren, she's always cool, calm and collected, not to mention deadly with those blades she wields. Unfortunately, this degree of detachment carries into her relationship with others. For instance, there's this scene where Eren is yelling at his best friend Armin and Mikasa decides the best way to defuse this conflict is to punch him! Seriously? How about placing your hand on his shoulder and asking him to calm down for starters? Even among friends, but particularly when addressing Eren, she almost always adopts a condescendingly logical tone that prevents me from being too involved with her character as she doesn't show a lot of emotion.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on the show and, why not, a few recommendations.
Yesterday I had the chance to watch the first 13 episodes of "Attack on Titan" and I suppose it speaks well of the show that I could not un-glue myself from the screen until I had seen every single episode considering how grim the show is. The more Japanese anime I watch the more I realize how deep their grasp of human psychology is. AoT takes it time to explore every facet of a given story, something that surprised me a bit considering how TV shows these days are more concise and to the point, particularly when they have a running time of 20-40 minutes.
When I was first introduced to Eren Jaeger I thought the attack on Shiganshina would be over and done with in that episode with the following one taking place a few years later and showing us an older Eren who had trained to become a soldier. I could not have been more utterly wrong. AoT keeps time skips to a bare minimum while favouring a more day-to-day approach of the lives of Eren, Armin, and Mikasa. As a result, the pacing is a lot slower than I'm used to but no less captivating.
Like I said before, AoT takes a lot of time to explore the thoughts and feelings of a plethora of characters beyond the main three. In fact, given how much screentime each character gets for their own story arcs you'd be hard pressed to identify the leads. It's to the show's credit that even characters who may initially come across as villainous experience profound growth. Jean Kirstein comes to mind, once a violent young man who joined for selfish reasons but later faced a crucible in battle against the Titans and overcame his fears to lead his team mates to safety. Even then his arc doesn't stop as he is left wondering how many deaths his orders caused, beginning to grasp the burden of command.
There is a lot of death in this show, and frankly much more gruesome than I have a mind to watch. The show bombards you again and again with images of the grinning Titans munching on the, often living, bodies of civilians and soldiers alike, limbs flying here and there, all undoubtedly in an effort to let the despair and hopelessness they're feeling sink in. It works, to be sure, but I could use less of it.
As for the main characters, at least Eren and Mikasa appear to be strongly stereotypical if what little I've watched of anime is any guide. Eren is impulsive and rash, often unable to control his anger and lashing out at other people when they broach a subject he feels strongly about. His obsession with killing the Titans is decidedly unhealthy, if understandable, and will not help him control that anger anytime soon. Of course, it's this anger that drives him to action when fear paralyses the rest of his comrades but it also lead to the reckless endangerment and subsequent death of his team-mates in his first encounter with the Titans. I do hope he learns to get hold of himself because I can only suffer his angry routine for so long. Some of the secondary characters had better arcs and more growth in a single episode than he did in the first 13.
Mikasa is perfect. No, seriously, there's an episode where their training sergeant assesses each trainee's strengths and weaknesses and all he has to say about Mikasa is that she's flawless in anything she does. Really? Is that the best they could come up with? Was it too much to ask to give her a flaw so she could experience some growth as well? I suppose one could say her weakness is her attachment to Eren and there is an episode where she refuses to give in to the Titans because of him, turning her weakness into a strength. Unlike Eren, she's always cool, calm and collected, not to mention deadly with those blades she wields. Unfortunately, this degree of detachment carries into her relationship with others. For instance, there's this scene where Eren is yelling at his best friend Armin and Mikasa decides the best way to defuse this conflict is to punch him! Seriously? How about placing your hand on his shoulder and asking him to calm down for starters? Even among friends, but particularly when addressing Eren, she almost always adopts a condescendingly logical tone that prevents me from being too involved with her character as she doesn't show a lot of emotion.
Armin fares the better of the three, seeing himself as a burden at first but eventually gaining enough confidence to show his skills as a shrewd tactician. This confidence, boosted by the support and trust of both Eren and Mikasa, gives him the strength to overcome his fears and even venture into the field of battle on his own to rescue Eren in more than one occasion.
I'm uncertain whether to finish watching the remaining episodes of AoT. Not so much for the blood and gore and despair, for if it gets too heavy I can always tune out, but because the few Japanese anime shows I've seen always end in a cliffhanger and never get another season to wrap things up, getting me invested and, ultimately, disappointed.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on the show and, why not, a few recommendations.
EDIT: It was thoughtless (THOUGHTLESS!) of me to forget about the wonderful music and animation but I have come to expect nothing less from Japanese anime. The drawing and colour palettes are absolutely wonderful and the action never once disappoints. My favourite moments are always when they're flying through the city with their cables. They're unbelievably fast with those things!
God Almighty, man. YES. KEEP WATCHING. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, KEEP WATCHING.
As a referrence, the main characters I prefer are those like are Tatsuya Shiba from Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei(The Irregular at Magic High School) and Sora from No Game No Life. The Sherlock Holmes type.
I can understand not liking AoT or Eren, personally though I liked his insane determination.
As a referrence, the main characters I prefer are those like are Tatsuya Shiba from Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei(The Irregular at Magic High School) and Sora from No Game No Life. The Sherlock Holmes type.
They're ok. I just feel like Tatsuya's so bland though. Granted, they're good characters, but not that interesting.
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As a referrence, the main characters I prefer are those like are Tatsuya Shiba from Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei(The Irregular at Magic High School) and Sora from No Game No Life. The Sherlock Holmes type.
They're ok. I just feel like Tatsuya's so bland though. Granted, they're good characters, but not that interesting.
I like that he doesn't get emotional, and he always keeps his calm even under dangerous circumstances. I like Sora's ability to plan everything 20 steps ahead.
I can understand not liking AoT or Eren, personally though I liked his insane determination.
I can understand that. It just isn't enough for me though.
Alright, I'll give Aldnoah.Zero a chance. Ty for the suggestion.
why wont senpai notice me im kawaii
Good god theres a lot of Persona in that Persona thread.
I'd gladly engage you with the discussion you wanted but save it for a thread that is dedicated to that discussion, alright?
This is to partially avoid talking about the game in this thread while also mistakenly bring up spoilers by accident.
I just don't like Eren. Every time he talks I want to punch him. He just sounds whiny the majority of the time.
Can you really blame him though? Think about it. He was always an outcast because he wanted to live outside the walls with no titans, this is taboo, he saw everything he loved destroyed right in front of his eyes(seeing your mother get eaten will mess with your mind) and see's alot of friends die in Trost and giant forest. He has changed alot in the manga though but at first. Yes he was whiny and a ******, but he has very good reasons for this.
Do note that some of us consider Armin to be the true main character because ironically he gets the most page/screen time and has had the most and best dev, not to mention he was the one who figured out who each titan shifter was with cleaver deduction and intuition, he also planned or proposed many operations that where successful in the long run.
In short. Armin is a badass.
On the plus side, the next time someone on the forum complains that their favorite franchise is being wattered down for noobs and new arrivals, and that Bioware should only cater to fans who already understand what's going on...
...you can point them to this.
I was gonna void taking the bait but just this once. You can easily ignore this anime -- How is it being watered down? It isn't any more watered down than any other JRPG that has an anime based on itself -- The anime wasn't designed, and or written, by the Persona-team. The Golden additions exist to add further closeness and chemistry between the characters which was nice, because unlike Persona 3, there isn't much sense of progression in road of being mutual acquaintances to close friends. There's also more development and content for characters who didn't get as much in the original like Naoto. Plus, the game added more complexity to the villain which was all the better in the end.
The main problem with Golden was the forced writing, like adding in Marie, plus the change in voice actors with Teddie & Chie. I honestly didn't like that at all but now I've just learned to deal with the fact that Atlus prefer Chie to sound like your typical high-pitch squeeky gal.
Anyway, if you want to continue talking about this then come on over to the Persona thread. Otherwise, don't bother quoting and/or responding to this post.
@Geth The Arlong Arc is simply great too, yeah!
Can you really blame him though? Think about it. He was always an outcast because he wanted to live outside the walls with no titans, this is taboo, he saw everything he loved destroyed right in front of his eyes(seeing your mother get eaten will mess with your mind) and see's alot of friends die in Trost and giant forest. He has changed alot in the manga though but at first. Yes he was whiny and a ******, but he has very good reasons for this.
Do note that some of us consider Armin to be the true main character because ironically he gets the most page/screen time and has had the most and best dev, not to mention he was the one who figured out who each titan shifter was with cleaver deduction and intuition, he also planned or proposed many operations that where successful in the long run.
In short. Armin is a badass.
I just would have preferred him to be more like Mikasa. Less emotions due to tragedy instead of allowing them to control him. I am glad to hear in the manga he is doing well.
I do like Armin though. The parodies they do of him are also some of the best.
Golden Chie>base game Chie
Golden Chie>base game Chie
Erin Fitzgerald voice annoys me to no end -- I've only come to accept it now because I might as well.
I just would have preferred him to be more like Mikasa. Less emotions due to tragedy instead of allowing them to control him. I am glad to hear in the manga he is doing well.
I do like Armin though. The parodies they do of him are also some of the best.
What's funny is Mikasas emotions ARE her flaw. This has led to her almost dying a few times and getting a fellow soldier injured because of her bloodrage and overprotects of Eren. No character in AoT is flawless. Each one struggles with issues and that's what I like about the cast. They are well written, very likeable and also very believable.
Erin Fitzgerald voice annoys me to no end -- I've only come to accept it now because I might as well.
I'm not a big fan of her either(she's the reason I play Bravely Default in Japanese) however I personally found she nailed Chies character alot more then her OV which I found very lackluster. Teddie, really both vas are extremely similar so the change does not bug me. I think we can both agree Margrets new VA sucks lizards eggs though.
What's funny is Mikasas emotions ARE her flaw. This has led to her almost dying a few times and getting a fellow soldier injured because of her bloodrage and overprotects of Eren. No character in AoT is flawless. Each one struggles with issues and that's what I like about the cast. They are well written, very likeable and also very believable.
I can see that. The story and characters are well done with how they portray the people. It just isn't for me.
I'm not a big fan of her either(she's the reason I play Bravely Default in Japanese) however I personally found she nailed Chies character alot more then her OV which I found very lackluster. Teddie, really both vas are extremely similar so the change does not bug me. I think we can both agree Margrets new VA sucks lizards eggs though.
Nailed her how though? Chie was never supposed to sound like high-pitched-squeeky-girl like she's just inhaled a bunch of helium. Base Chie sounds authentic, she sounds like a girl in her 17's. People who think High School girls don't sound like base-Chie either haven't attended High-School, or they just need to improve their sociallife because, Jesus. She was still helluva energetic while also being bad-ass, and this is without trying too hard like Erin Fitzgerald.
Yes, Margaret's new voice sucks a rusty firehydrant.
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