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[eroeru]

RAGING_BULL wrote...

eroeru wrote...

RAGING_BULL wrote...

eroeru wrote...

^^ What are the grievances?

~ i felt there were too many things left open at the end in terms of what happened though it doesnt bother me as much as i did when i first saw it. Mainly because i rewatched it

I never get this complaint. Shows that lay out explicitly what's going on in evey aspect are spoon-feeding, nothing else. That's... excruciating, annoying and insulting even (to watch).

You dont get it. I have no problem with some things being left open. I feel too many things were left open... at the end of the season...  But like i said i rewatched it and it and some things became clear.

Also, who said anything about laying out whats going on in every aspect? I was specifically talking about the end of the series.

I wasn't talking about you so much as the complaint itself. I've heard it a LOT of times, and usually it isn't a valid complaint.

Actually, I don't know of any series I'd have this complaint about.

The majority who use it do so in every piece that goes above their attention span.

[legion999]

And page 69 proves having red eyes=badass.

[eroeru]

Yup. I'd be even interested in the examples.


I don't think about anything I say as talking about people or their opinions. I cannot see inside their heads. Hence, it would be inaccurate to talk about that.
I'm much rather interested in semantics and arguments more objectively and with a scrutiny. 

(Why talk about the complaint itself? Why it's because 1. you provided that complaint, 2. I cannot or don't think it accurate or simply think it stupid to talk about people as such much-encompassing and little-known entities as they are , 3. I love analyzing what's going on in thought and language, so it's enjoyable)

Modifié par eroeru, 27 août 2012 - 11:15 .

[eroeru]

You make perfect sense.

Regardless, I would really like to remember a decent enough (as in not total garbage) series in regards to which this complaint is valid. Maybe it's just that it's such a basic thing that the author would answer all questions he would like to answer in the show - it's sufficiently simple to control and write into the series, and one of the first things that is natural to look up for.

Btw, I really like your description of the mind-**** genre. Beforehand I hated the term, but I think you hit a bulls-eye with that explaining of it.

Modifié par eroeru, 27 août 2012 - 11:24 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

Watched my first anime, outside of Pokemon years ago, this week. A show called Elfen Lied. while it displayed many of the presentation qualms I've always had with Anime, the story as a whole was terrific. The concept was great, and the themes were really potent. And that theme song.

Anyone else know of anything else that displays similar humanistic themes?

[Arch1eviathan]

RAGING_BULL wrote...

Why talk about the complain itself? My point is that i was personally refering to darker than black.

Yin is alive and it ended with rainbows and disnychannel. 

[eroeru]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Watched my first anime, outside of Pokemon years ago, this week. A show called Elfen Lied. while it displayed many of the presentation qualms I've always had with Anime, the story as a whole was terrific. The concept was great, and the themes were really potent. And that theme song.

Anyone else know of anything else that displays similar humanistic themes?

 

Basically all other seinen anime.
There's lots.

Try Darker Than Black, for example.

Edit: personally I'd recommend Eden of the East, .hack/SIGN, 
Ergo Proxy, Ghost in the Shell, Black Lagoon, Death Note, Welcome to the NHK, Nodame Cantabile, Honey and Clover, Scrapped Princess, Berserk, Legend of Escaflowne (it's iffy on the mature themes though, save the ending and awesome/funny/wtf yet serious references to Newton and the rise of science... it also has Giant Medieval Mechs for not only "camp" sake).

Uh, left alot of fave seinenish titles out unfortunately. 

Modifié par eroeru, 27 août 2012 - 12:47 .

[eroeru]

He/she is new to "real" anime (I say it with a bit of tongue-in-cheek, yet I think most of you get that I refer to the bias of anime being only Digimon and Pokemon), so any Seinen recommendation would work I think.

Though prolly Darker Than Black and Death Note are the most similar to Elfen Lied (in their subject matter that is kinda about humanistic values and the questioning of these), of the ones I recommended.
Hell Girl and such also kinda go there.

Modifié par eroeru, 27 août 2012 - 11:44 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

Not exact themes. What I really like from the show was the whole "nature vs nurture" thing, where it was the cruelty that turned these dichomites (lol, cannot remember their name) into monsters, not their inherent nature.

Things of that nature.

[Gibb_Shepard]

eroeru wrote...

He/she is new to "real" anime (I say it with a bit of tongue-in-cheek, yet I think most of you get that I refer to the bias of anime being only Digimon and Pokemon), so any Seinen recommendation would work I think.

Though prolly Darker Than Black and Death Note are the most similar to Elfen Lied (in their subject matter that is kinda about humanistic values and the questioning of these), of the ones I recommended.
Hell Girl and such also kinda go there.

Sorry, I lied. I actually did watch a bit of death note years ago, and I found it to be extremely bland. They turned the protagonist into a sociopath within the first few episodes, and from there it was detective work that was moreso assumptions piled upon assumptions than actually finding and using evidence. I dont even think there was a theme to that show. Power corrupts? Turning into a hypocrite isnt the best way to reach an ideal? If a show that displays very little similarity to that of Elfen Lied is the most similar, I'll be very disappointed.

[eroeru]

Ok, nature vs nurture... hmm, that requires some thinking time.

As to Death Note being bland or one-dimensional, well, it's sort of the thing with Shonen (it's the only Shonen title on that list of mine). Shonen's simplistic.

I partly came up with the similarity also because they both have similar types of mindless euphoric violence (though in Death Note it's displayed mostly when the guy writes in a note-book lol. also, both the Elfen Lied girls and Light can be considered sociopaths)

But right off the bat i think Darker Than Black is a solid choice, if you can see through the mostly boring first couple of episodes.

Modifié par eroeru, 27 août 2012 - 12:13 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

Alright, thanks for the recommendations.

[eroeru]

EDIT: The best series to recommend would probably be Berserk. It's universally acclaimed as awesome, and has a sort of "nurture" thematic going on (not really noticably though), with all the "Dark Medieval Times" and whatnot.

Aah, I thought of two others! Monster and Noein.

EDIT: another one that has "nature vs nurture" implied is Gunslinger Girls. Sort of a laughable premis - I haven't watched it more than a few eps worth myself, but the series is told to deliver. Ninja Stan even recommends it so it must be good. 



I'd say all of these have the nature vs nurture theme implied in some way or other, though it's mostly not as a main theme.

You could also try Ghost Hound. It shines mostly because of its use of sound, and how it plays on ones psychology (especially with a good headset)... and it plays on psychological "fear" themes and trauma, though with much pseudo psychology thrown in just to add color.

As for more seinen, here are some "hard-core" recs (all brilliant in my opinion):

Paranoia Agent, Neon Genesis Evangelion, FLCL, Texhnolyze (on youtube), Series Experiments Lain.

Modifié par eroeru, 27 août 2012 - 01:05 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

I second the Vision of Escaflowne reccomendation.
Welecome to NHK is also good
PLANETES for something different and very realistic
Usagi Drop for some sweet, normal slice of life
Cromartie High for some bizzaro laughs
Nichijo, Azumanga Daioh or Lucky Star for silly, crazy and WTF sliceoflife humor...sort of
Legend of Galactic Heroes for old-school political space opera
Luie the Rune Soldier for fantasy laughs
Excel Saga for motor-mouth bizzaro action

[Lotion Soronarr]

Also, red eyes? Pfffft.
Real badasses dont' need glowing eyes.

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[eroeru]

As to the debate on which show has most episodes, well, Dragon Ball series' have 631 in total, if I'm not mistaken.

[The Heretic of Time]

eroeru wrote...

As to the debate on which show has most episodes, well, Dragon Ball series' have 631 in total, if I'm not mistaken.

Nope, Dragon Ball has only 153 episodes. Dragonball Z has only 291 episodes and Dragonball GT has only 64 episodes.

So even if you combine all Dragonball series, that still only gives us 508 episodes.


Besides, there are anime series much much much longer than that. I believe the longer anime ever has over 6000 episodes and still counting. I'm not even joking.

[RedArmyShogun]

DB 153

DBZ 291

DBGT 64

Movies 18

OVA's: 6


Just a bit short of that mark lulz.

[RedArmyShogun]

Double post Sazae-san is the current longest anime but has never made it state side

In terms of North America in order the largest are

Detective Conan (in 17th place) with 665 eps (and counting)

One Piece at 560 eps and counting (in 18th)

And bleach with 366 eps and at the end of its run in 22nd.

Or just see this list

http://en.wikipedia....y_episode_count