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#17977
Posté 07 août 2014 - 01:16
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Oh and I agree with Isi about the Zero Escape series, it's great.
But I super disagree with him about Lost.
Comon admit it! Lost would have ended up being the best thing ever if the storyline actually built up to something meaningful instead of:
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Sure the characters are amazing and good enough to make the series still worth watching. But it could have being much better if the entire story built up to something more substantial the way 999 did.
#17979
Posté 07 août 2014 - 01:44
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So, now that I finished watching Sidonia no Kishi I'd like to share my impressions with you.
The show started off great with an origin story that drew me in as we began to explore the solitary existence of Nagate Tanikaze aboard some sort of derelict space colony. It reminded me of the feeling I had when I watched 'Moon,' which I enjoyed immensely. In retrospect, I think we didn't get to see enough of Nagate's day-to-day life but the show can easily fill that void with flashbacks in future episodes. I'm particularly interested in seeing how he managed to survive all those years after his grandfather died.
In any event, the audience soon realizes that Nagate's world is considerably larger than we previously had imagined and that he was actually living on a deserted sector of a space station called Sidonia, humanity's last refuge after the destruction of Earth. My memory's not helping me here but I believe I saw a reference to there having been other similar space stations at one point and that Sidonia had developed along the lines of a Japanese culture since its original crew was mostly from Japan. If that's the case, it would suggest each country or group of countries built and launched their own Sidonia-type vessel, not unlike the Arks built in the movie '2012.' I would definitely love to see an episode or a couple of episodes devoted to explaining the origin of Sidonia and whether there are other similar vessels in space.
What I like about the show is that it draws you in with mystery and the promise of an answer and it does deliver. If anything, sometimes the mystery isn't drawn out long enough, like when we learn Nagate has made it into the elite Garde pilot training program thanks to a mysterious benefactor only to find out the identity of said benefactor less than five minutes later. Yet there is a complex weave of secrets and power plays in Sidonia and we learn more about them after each episode. Not to spoil anything but we also learn more about Nagate's grandfather in what's probably one of my favourite episodes, bear notwithstanding.
The technology introduced is also one of the high points and to its credit the show tries, and more often than not succeeds, in grounding said aspects in real physics. The best example is probably Sidonia's credible use of propulsion and projectile weapons and its effects, though it still resorts to its own physics such as inventing Heigus particles to provide a power source for most of the show's tech. It also introduces interesting concepts such as humans artificially evolving to be able to photosynthesise food, human cloning and engineering, and asexual reproduction, all of which fit the narrative, making them valuable additions to the lore. Even so, I must admit I like the Gardes most of all.
As far as the characters are concerned, it's a mixed bag. Nagate has an interesting backstory but he doesn't have much of a personality outside of combat, at least not until the latter episodes as he starts to gain confidence in himself and his abilities. He has an entourage of girls who are keen on him of which one only seems interested in his combat skills seeing as she has a mind for tactics as well; another is too shy to have anything resembling to growth; with the last one being the better off of the three having developed some sort of relationship with our main character. Unfortunately, things don't go very well for the latter. There's also the required villain, the Draco Malfoy of the Garde training program, who does something so utterly petty, stupid, and unforgivable, that it pretty much destroys any chance he might have had at breaking away from the stereotype. The show attempts to rectify this mistake towards the end but that cliffhanger doesn't bode well.
Another thing that doesn't sit well with my is how easily the show gets rid of Garde pilots. At the rate they're going I doubt they'll have enough pilots for more than a season. To my mind, it presents the same problem GoT did for me: since you already know anybody and everybody is going to die, you just don't care for the characters, you don't bother to connect with them. When you see a new character introduced in an episode you're just looking for the tell-tale signs of him being the guy that gets killed because he doesn't have a second name (that's a Galaxy Quest reference, btw), if he even gets to have a name at all. On the other hand, when characters have been around for several episodes, maybe a season or two, their deaths have a lot more impact on the audience that can be used to help us connect.
How would I rate it? Well, going by MyAnimeList's rating system, I'd give it an 8/10 (Very good), though it's probably in the 7.5-8 range. Despite some of its flaws, the story, lore, and space battles, were more than enough to hold my attention. Bear in mind that I haven't watched a lot of anime, particularly space operas, so I don't have something to compare it against.
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#17980
Posté 07 août 2014 - 01:52
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Lost was all about the characters tho. To me It was a character driven show, with the mysteries second. So yeah the characters are what make the show worth it. The mysteries were just a hook, considering nearly every single answer bolied down to
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I guess I just don't know what you wanted out of it? It's the same thing with Battlestar Galactica for me. I think it and Lost were pretty much perfect shows that had great endings that were set up long before they got to the endings. And both shows did everything they set out to do and that's something I always like.
There was some weak points in both tho. Season 2 of Lost was pretty bad for many reasons.
But this is getting off-topic should take it to Steam or PM or whatever. lol
#17981
Posté 07 août 2014 - 02:29
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Lost was all about the characters tho. To me It was a character driven show, with the mysteries second. So yeah the characters are what make the show worth it. The mysteries were just a hook, considering nearly every single answer bolied down to
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I guess I just don't know what you wanted out of it? It's the same thing with Battlestar Galactica for me. I think it and Lost were pretty much perfect shows that had great endings that were set up long before they got to the endings. And both shows did everything they set out to do and that's something I always like.
There was some weak points in both tho. Season 2 of Lost was pretty bad for many reasons.
But this is getting off-topic should take it to Steam or PM or whatever. lol
I hated those two shows(especially BSG). I always wanted it more like Farscape and Stargate series(minus the last one).
#17982
Posté 07 août 2014 - 02:38
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Mmm I loved farscape! Such a fun show.
Ok no more off topic posts for me.
I'll just do my usual mindless gushing off over in my little corner..
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#17983
Posté 07 août 2014 - 02:43
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I was not expecting him to die though. I am still trying to get over it.
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Posté 07 août 2014 - 03:21
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Sounds like a awesome show. And thank you kind sir, for the in depth analysis. I think I'm going to start watching it right now.So, now that I finished watching Sidonia no Kishi I'd like to share my impressions with you.
The show started off great with an origin story that drew me in as we began to explore the solitary existence of Nagate Tanikaze aboard some sort of derelict space colony. It reminded me of the feeling I had when I watched 'Moon,' which I enjoyed immensely. In retrospect, I think we didn't get to see enough of Nagate's day-to-day life but the show can easily fill that void with flashbacks in future episodes. I'm particularly interested in seeing how he managed to survive all those years after his grandfather died.
In any event, the audience soon realizes that Nagate's world is considerably larger than we previously had imagined and that he was actually living on a deserted sector of a space station called Sidonia, humanity's last refuge after the destruction of Earth. My memory's not helping me here but I believe I saw a reference to there having been other similar space stations at one point and that Sidonia had developed along the lines of a Japanese culture since its original crew was mostly from Japan. If that's the case, it would suggest each country or group of countries built and launched their own Sidonia-type vessel, not unlike the Arks built in the movie '2012.' I would definitely love to see an episode or a couple of episodes devoted to explaining the origin of Sidonia and whether there are other similar vessels in space.
What I like about the show is that it draws you in with mystery and the promise of an answer and it does deliver. If anything, sometimes the mystery isn't drawn out long enough, like when we learn Nagate has made it into the elite Garde pilot training program thanks to a mysterious benefactor only to find out the identity of said benefactor less than five minutes later. Yet there is a complex weave of secrets and power plays in Sidonia and we learn more about them after each episode. Not to spoil anything but we also learn more about Nagate's grandfather in what's probably one of my favourite episodes, bear notwithstanding.
The technology introduced is also one of the high points and to its credit the show tries, and more often than not succeeds, in grounding said aspects in real physics. The best example is probably Sidonia's credible use of propulsion and projectile weapons and its effects, though it still resorts to its own physics such as inventing Heigus particles to provide a power source for most of the show's tech. It also introduces interesting concepts such as humans artificially evolving to be able to photosynthesise food, human cloning and engineering, and asexual reproduction, all of which fit the narrative, making them valuable additions to the lore. Even so, I must admit I like the Gardes most of all.
As far as the characters are concerned, it's a mixed bag. Nagate has an interesting backstory but he doesn't have much of a personality outside of combat, at least not until the latter episodes as he starts to gain confidence in himself and his abilities. He has an entourage of girls who are keen on him of which one only seems interested in his combat skills seeing as she has a mind for tactics as well; another is too shy to have anything resembling to growth; with the last one being the better off of the three having developed some sort of relationship with our main character. Unfortunately, things don't go very well for the latter. There's also the required villain, the Draco Malfoy of the Garde training program, who does something so utterly petty, stupid, and unforgivable, that it pretty much destroys any chance he might have had at breaking away from the stereotype. The show attempts to rectify this mistake towards the end but that cliffhanger doesn't bode well.
Another thing that doesn't sit well with my is how easily the show gets rid of Garde pilots. At the rate they're going I doubt they'll have enough pilots for more than a season. To my mind, it presents the same problem GoT did for me: since you already know anybody and everybody is going to die, you just don't care for the characters, you don't bother to connect with them. When you see a new character introduced in an episode you're just looking for the tell-tale signs of him being the guy that gets killed because he doesn't have a second name (that's a Galaxy Quest reference, btw), if he even gets to have a name at all. On the other hand, when characters have been around for several episodes, maybe a season or two, their deaths have a lot more impact on the audience that can be used to help us connect.
How would I rate it? Well, going by MyAnimeList's rating system, I'd give it an 8/10 (Very good), though it's probably in the 7.5-8 range. Despite some of its flaws, the story, lore, and space battles, were more than enough to hold my attention. Bear in mind that I haven't watched a lot of anime, particularly space operas, so I don't have something to compare it against.
#17985
Posté 07 août 2014 - 03:36
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Sounds like a awesome show. And thank you kind sir, for the in depth analysis. I think I'm going to start watching it right now.
Well, I don't know how in-depth it was but I tried to convey my thoughts on different aspects so people may have an idea of what they're up against. Like I said in the review, I don't have a lot of experience watching anime so I'm reviewing it on its own merits, but from what I've read the setup is similar to other anime space operas (e.g.: humanity fights against an alien race using space mechs). If you start watching it, let me know your thoughts on it.
#17986
Posté 07 août 2014 - 03:37
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Well, I don't know how in-depth it was but I tried to convey my thoughts on different aspects so people may have an idea of what they're up against. Like I said in the review, I don't have a lot of experience watching anime so I'm reviewing it on its own merits, but from what I've read the setup is similar to other anime space operas (e.g.: humanity fights against an alien race using space mechs). If you start watching it, let me know your thoughts on it.
That actually qualifies you more. You don't have any bias towards certain genres.
#17988
Posté 07 août 2014 - 03:47
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Looks like an interesting Anime.I want to watch it.
#17989
Posté 07 août 2014 - 04:01
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I've already seen that (somehow).
The art is great for the 3D stuff, and it took me a while to figure out they were doing that for sure, but knowing the track record of this studio...
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Posté 07 août 2014 - 06:27
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Man, Jesus ain't got sh*t on those girls. What a noob.
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Posté 07 août 2014 - 06:29
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Muller's into Reinhard eh?
Reinhard is so moe though
Disclaimer: This is about the ONLY time you see ANYONE do the 'blush' in LotGH, it's a VERY rare thing. LotGH isn't like other anime really... well, in the sense that it doesn't do the 'usual.'
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Posté 07 août 2014 - 06:39
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Okay, one thing I dislike about Gintama, and this goes for a LOT of anime really. I don't know if it's a Japanese thing, but dude.
They suck at writing women.
This doesn't go for Himoru Arakawa, she's f*cking great. And there are other good examples too, like Mikoto from Ghost in the Shell or the entire cast of Madoka Magica.
But in this case, I get tons of bad vibes from it. It could be the feminist in me talking though.
One thing is to have a bad-ass woman and the other is to LITERALLY say "you've abandoned your life as a woman." What the hell does THAT mean? Can a chick not kick-ass and still be a chick? Or does she have to be a 'certain way' in order to fit that role.
I think the best female character (in terms of writing) would be Kagura. She's a probably the most powerful in the Odd Jobs group but is still aware she's a girl but really doesn't give a flying f*ck. Basically: I can do whatever the f*ck I want to do.
It really grinds on me when all the characters in the arc are saying 'a woman shouldn't do x' or 'a woman shouldn't do y' or 'abandoned being a woman' when this woman is qualified to do all those things are more because she bloody WORKED for it.
Don't get me wrong. It's a pet peeve, nothing that's gonna take away my absolute love for Gintama. But it's still an issue.
I could leave it down to context seeing as it takes place in Fuedal Japan (despite having the sci-fi element, but that's because the Amanto's invasion.) However, when it's all the goddamn characters saying it, you know there's something fishy going on.
Still, there have been pretty great characters on the female side too, but the 'bad' tips the scales in this one.
Still love Gintama tho'
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Posté 07 août 2014 - 06:40
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Mmm I loved farscape! Such a fun show.
Ok no more off topic posts for me.
I'll just do my usual mindless gushing off over in my little corner..
And in that moment.
That Witch knew.
That she f*cked up.
#17994
Posté 07 août 2014 - 09:38
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Okay, one thing I dislike about Gintama, and this goes for a LOT of anime really. I don't know if it's a Japanese thing, but dude.
They suck at writing women.
Haha. You have no idea. Japan has great PR thanks to the kawaisa movement, but in reality they are kinda dicks. They take their gender roles quite seriously compared to western culture. And the xenophobia, oh gawd. They don't even consider the Brazilian Japanese their kin at all, and you don't hear about the Korean minority that much from animes huh.
#17995
Posté 07 août 2014 - 10:35
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Haha. You have no idea. Japan has great PR thanks to the kawaisa movement, but in reality they are kinda dicks. They take their gender roles quite seriously compared to western culture. And the xenophobia, oh gawd. They don't even consider the Brazilian Japanese their kin at all, and you don't hear about the Korean minority that much from animes huh.
In reality Japan must be like Iran. 50% conservative, 25% liberal and 25% neither!
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Posté 07 août 2014 - 11:27
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Watched it loved it, you get a box of cookies. I really how in the middle of this conflict they took the time to show the martial law vs pacifist dynamic(especially when you consider how short the series is). And damn things did not go the way I thought they would for a while it looked like it was going to turn into Super harem force vs the aliens lol nope!Well, I don't know how in-depth it was but I tried to convey my thoughts on different aspects so people may have an idea of what they're up against. Like I said in the review, I don't have a lot of experience watching anime so I'm reviewing it on its own merits, but from what I've read the setup is similar to other anime space operas (e.g.: humanity fights against an alien race using space mechs). If you start watching it, let me know your thoughts on it.
#17997
Posté 07 août 2014 - 01:46
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One thing is to have a bad-ass woman and the other is to LITERALLY say "you've abandoned your life as a woman." What the hell does THAT mean? Can a chick not kick-ass and still be a chick? Or does she have to be a 'certain way' in order to fit that role.
I think context matters here. Doesn't Gintama take place in Feudal Japan? Granted, I'm no expert on that but I could've sworn it wasn't a particularly progressive time (through the edo period). Correct me if I'm wrong.
Then again, an anime with aliens from outer space isn't aiming for realism and authenticity.
In reality Japan must be like Iran. 50% conservative, 25% liberal and 25% neither!
Funny that you mention that. The way I hear how Brazilians (or some other minorities) in Japan are treated sounds a lot like Afghans in Iran.
#17998
Posté 07 août 2014 - 01:48
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B-but we're siblings!
I DON'T CARE
No! Aniki!
MUAHAAHHA
RAH-SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
I watch too much hentai.
Oh Sim-kun! It's finally time is it.. oh the excitement!
Mmm I loved farscape! Such a fun show.
Ok no more off topic posts for me.
I'll just do my usual mindless gushing off over in my little corner..
MOAR GUSHING!
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Posté 07 août 2014 - 04:50
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I think context matters here. Doesn't Gintama take place in Feudal Japan? Granted, I'm no expert on that but I could've sworn it wasn't a particularly progressive time (through the edo period). Correct me if I'm wrong.
Then again, an anime with aliens from outer space isn't aiming for realism and authenticity.
I mentioned it as a factor. But seriously, the best analogy I can come up with is this...
Think of a woman going to the front-lines being told by her fellow soldiers that she doesn't belong there because she's a woman and the woman herself lamenting on the fact that she shouldn't be there because she's a woman and has never lived like one.
See.
It's stupid.
@Bro
And Japan sounds sucky outside anime!
DON'T RUIN MY NAIVE IMAGE OF JAPAAAAAN YOU BASTAAARRDS
I'm still going though. Once I save up 4 grand in a few years.
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#18000
Posté 07 août 2014 - 05:10
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I mentioned it as a factor. But seriously, the best analogy I can come up with is this...
Think of a woman going to the front-lines being told by her fellow soldiers that she doesn't belong there because she's a woman and the woman herself lamenting on the fact that she shouldn't be there because she's a woman and has never lived like one.
See.
It's stupid.
Here is the deal with that analogy. The women must prove herself first because she has to prove to the men she is capable of carrying them away if they are injured, and that she is reliable because your life depends on her being good.
I come from a military family, and you must be able to trust your life in the hands of your battle buddy. If you can't, you don't bring them with you.
