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[Isichar]

BERSERK!

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dammit Griffith, you were far too hasty. There could have been better moments to impregnate the princess. But not inside the palace ><

Yeah that was a HUGE mistake on his part...

Griffith is the kind of person who needs to be in control. Being powerless to stop Gatts hit's him hard.

[Nordicus]

It's not too bad for plot holes overall. There's a few times you have to be willing to go with the premise but I'm OK with that as long as the story is self consistent with the rules it's set forth which Stains;Gate is.

I actually didn't like Steins;Gate time travel simply because it stuck to simple chaos theory for a while, but then suddenly

"Unless you get this exact arbitrary timeline which conveniently enough is the one from before you time-travelled... Final Destination (the movie series)"

[Isichar]

@Sim

Oh I completely agree. It was a very human and understandable flaw and there is some degree of poeticness behind what happens as a result. Despite what he had managed to accomplish that one mistake costs him everything.

I've seen people deal with similar situations in their life where everything is going well and amazing and then 1 thing goes wrong and everything else follows. It only takes 1 moment for everything to turn around. Griffith honestly believed Gatts belonged to him, and realizing that he couldn't control him is all it took.. The irony being that the reason Gatts does what he did is because of how much he looked up to Griffith.

I would really like to go into my philosophy and take on the duality that exists between Griffith and Gatts but that would become far too extensive for me to type put on my phone. Suffice to say they are each different sides if the same coin and their lives are directly connected in that every action one takes directly impacts the other in what I felt was a meaningful and often subtle way.

Gatts and Griffith have such an interesting and complicated dynamic that it's almost hard not to ship them together.

[Isichar]

Trust me when I say I would love to type up a mini book on the topic when I get a chance. I'm sure my boss won't notice if I leave for a few hours to go home and do that.. It's for a good cause after all >_>

I do find many of the relationships to be complex particularly when dealing with Griffith and Gatts. I honestly would not have expected a story as violent and full of rape as Berserk is to have much depth, but I honestly feel it has a great deal of depth behind it.

I really like how Griffith is portrayed as the classic white knight, he's so perfect to the people who meet him that it's almost more a concept or painting then an actual person. He is charismatic, smart, and he is a natural leader. Also, he is capable of doing things that would be out of the reach or even impossible to the normal commoner.

Gatts on the other hand is your typical black knight. He's violent, doesn't play well with others, isn't a leader and spends a great deal of time just trying to understand what his motivation for living and fighting actually is.

What's so cool is how the story plays on this and plays them off each other and ultimately breaks away from it. Despite being the perfect white knight Griffith is capable of doing some of the most inhuman and cruel acts imaginable, and on the reverse side of that Gatts despite being the classical black knight has a genuine sense of morality and can inspire others to become strong on their own right (which is similar to leading but he does it in a very different way)

This is just some random thoughts I have on the Griffith/Gatts duality the story has going on.

[CrazyRah]

SSY!

 

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I knew it! It just felt so very wrong when the child was considered a fiend. While "messiah" look like a human i has yet to actually strike me as human and I'd say it's more a queerat in human form. It was the hints during the time spent in Tokyo with Shun's thoughts poking at the idea of the child being a fiend and asking if things didn't feel wrong. That and with Saki actually wondering if it really was a fiend. With the child being more queerat than human it would make sense for it to be able to not get affected by the death feedback sine in the eyes of "messiah" it's a different looking queerat and considering how strongly SSY push that the mind and our perception make up so much of our world. With the last two episodes to go this makes sense. I'll actually go and watch the last two tonight and finish up SSY one evening earlier than anticipated. I need to know!

[Vroom Vroom]

I swear bro's like the CEO of Samsung or something xD

 

But man, you should watch Bebop xD especially for Edward, the most adorable thing in the world

 

@No Pet/Vroom Vroom.

 

Yeah, episode 12 was really sweet. I still don't enjoy the more dramatic "feely" moments, they don't hit me as well. Probably because my standards for drama have been raised so high with After Story and Anohana.

 

I don't know why I feel it's nothing special. To me, it doesn't do much wrong, but it also doesn't do things right, it kind of falls half-way. Some moments are nice, and then, there are others where you just look awkwardly at the screen because "really? You're getting like that for that?"

 

So far the side characters have stood out more than Kanda, he's kind of bland in a way. Hell, I'm rooting more for Misaki and Jin than the main couple

 

Misaki is awesome.

 

And so is the shut-in with the reeeeeaaaaalllly long name I can't spell.

After you finish No Pet I'll share my view of Kanda and how he is in relation to everyone else (personality wise). Misaki was where most of my emotions shifted towards, I so wanted her to be happy.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

That post is way too serious for me.

 

Okay, I'll balance it out.

 

SO IS HIS NAME GAATSU, GAATS, GATTS, OR GUTS?

 

MAKE UP YOUR F*CKING MIND!

 

Gatsu!

 

[Isichar]

SSY!
 

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I knew it! It just felt so very wrong when the child was considered a fiend. While "messiah" look like a human i has yet to actually strike me as human and I'd say it's more a queerat in human form. It was the hints during the time spent in Tokyo with Shun's thoughts poking at the idea of the child being a fiend and asking if things didn't feel wrong. That and with Saki actually wondering if it really was a fiend. With the child being more queerat than human it would make sense for it to be able to not get affected by the death feedback sine in the eyes of "messiah" it's a different looking queerat and considering how strongly SSY push that the mind and our perception make up so much of our world. With the last two episodes to go this makes sense. I'll actually go and watch the last two tonight and finish up SSY one evening earlier than anticipated. I need to know!

Oh buddy.. If your anything like me your going to have a ****** of a time sleeping after this ending. If I watched this before going to bed I'd be up all night.. definitely let me know what you think :3

[Isichar]

True that, They are certainly doppelgänger in the opposite sense. Now, as for its violence. The reason it works so well is because of its depth. Violence on its own is a commodity. It serves no purpose other than to be violent.

I remember some time ago I b*tched about SSY's erotica, well, the manga version. Well, here's the other side.

Erotica, violence, rape and all those things frowned upon in the general sense can bring so much to a story if done right.

Berserk's violence serves to explicitly portray the cruelty of the world they're in. Life is nasty, brutish and short. People are primal, giving into their instincts. Fathers lust for their daughters, wives poison their husbands, intrigue is the law at court... the depth of the setting and the characters are built further by the barbaric nature of the art.

Sure, it serves other purposes too. For those who want to look at things at face value. Violence is cool, violence is fun to watch. But to look at things with face value is really just taking a massive dump at the beauty of its story-telling and art.

(I'm so much more comfortable talking about fantasy xD)

@Bro

The question of humanity and what is is to be human is certainly one of the strongest themes running through out the series. Always keep that in mind. Is being human simply biological? Are we granted first place on the evolutionary ladder because of that? Or is it our level of conciousness? Our awareness of self and the symbol of self. In some way, it reminds of of post modern values being that everything is merely a social construct.

I couldn't agree more with everything you just said.

I love mature themes in a story when used properly, but they can really take away from it when a story has violence just for the sake of violence or sex just for the sake of erotica. Often I find you get people complaining about a story being having too much of these things when they are actually done for a reason which can be frustrating, and yeah the flip side of it is like the SSY manga where it just ends up feeling trashy and out of place.

Fantasy is definitely a genre I feel more comfortable discussing as well so I'd imagine we could have some good conversations here

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Griffith is an abomination. You will understand more about him at the end of the series.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Oh buddy.. If your anything like me your going to have a ****** of a time sleeping after this ending. If I watched this before going to bed I'd be up all night.. definitely let me know what you think :3

 

Few episodes before the final, Dat kid companion of Guts, Dat forest, Dem demons...

[Isichar]

Few episodes before the final, Dat kid companion of Guts, Dat forest, Dem demons...

Well I know exactly what you mean I just want to point out that my quote was aimed at Rah in regards to Shin Sekai Yori, not Berserk.

And yeah.. Griffith is an abomination.. Albeit a very "human" and interesting one.

[Isichar]

Chronicles of Thomas Covenant eh...? There's one that deals with some mature topics I have not heard about in a while.

You and I have very similar views and tastes with the fantasy genre which I admit makes me happy. It's honestly one of my favorite genres when handled properly.

[CrazyRah]

So yeah I did finish SSY!

 

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Will start with the last two episodes that were just as amazing as I've had reason to expect. Saki is a very smart person and has proven that time and time again plus with the little help of Shun she pieced everything together to save the villages. A shame that Kiroumaru had to die but it's hardly possible to end his arc in a better way. He lived and he died for his people, a true hero in every sense of the word. In the end I feel a lot of pity for "messiah" because while so many atrocities were commited I can hardly fault it for any of them. It was never given a chance and the punishment for its actions were laid upon Squealer and he did get a punishment that would freeze my blood if I thought about it in more detail. I'm inclined to agree with Saki on it, what's the point in the cruelty? Some may be okey with it but I'm more in favor of just get it over with and move forward, tend to the ones that are still alive and rebuild. His suffering bring nothing that doesn't already exist in large quantity. SSY has given me so many thoughts about morality and what I'm a believer of and I'll be thinking about this for a very long time. 

Now to the last reveal of the show, I had actually completely forgotten about Shun asking that question. Been more busy with keeping all the other pieces of the puzzle in mind and it came back hitting me with force. Squealer was right, they are humans and that's one very disturbing realisation considering exactly what the queerats have been forced to deal with. The privileged have protected their standing at the cost of the queerats and that's problematic even though I completely understand their reasons why.

 

Saki Watanabe is possibly the best protagonist that I've encountered and she's easily the most human protagonist that I've been able to watch. It was a blast to see her grow up and get to learn and grow as a person and at the end just show how far she's come. Tomiko was clearly right when she thought of Saki as her successor because Saki has shown an incredible maturity through all of SSY and the things she's been forced to experience has formed one character that I'd love to have at my side and hate to be facing. I adore Saki and I'm genuinly glad that after all that's happened that she'll find happiness with Satoru who has proven to be one very awesome character and one that won't be forgotten easily. I'll miss both of them but I got many reasons to re-visit SSY at some point in the future! I just do love laying that puzzle and doing so again would be a pleasure.

 

As I've said many times over I love SSY and honestly I can now more than well understand Isichar's quest to spread the word of SSY because it's far too unknown for the quality it hold and it's a shame that not more people have seen it. It won't be something that everyone can enjoy but it's something that should be given a chance. It might be something that you'll fall for. Story, character, art and soundtrack are all of brilliant quality and only on few occasions did the animations look a bit weak but I can not mention them if asked, I was just too busy with everything else that was done so very right. If PMMM made me think of hopes and dreams and many other things then SSY will make me question morality and truth just as much. It's been a journey and it's sad to see it over but I'll never regret it. SSY is more than welcome to join PMMM at the exclusive lounge of my appreciation. I still adore PMMM more but 2nd spot is nothing to be ashamed of, Saki did good!