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[Mr.House]

Watched Zankyou. I'd say Shibazaki, Mukasa, and Hamura, were probably the best characters.

We all know you love sheep head.

[Vroom Vroom]

Liking comments from 2011 like a boss. Get on my level.

It has been done. Dean and Chewin are going to be confused now   

 

Edit: Considered necromancy, but then I realized the topic was locked. 

[OdanUrr]

We all know you love sheep head.

 

Um... who?

[Mr.House]

Um... who?

SHeep head, you know five?

[OdanUrr]

SHeep head, you know five?

 

Ah, he was okay, I guess. I was more interested in seeing how the police put together the pieces and solved the case.

[Vroom Vroom]

SHeep head, you know five?

I googled Sheep Head and got this:

Spoiler

 

Now I am still lost and even more confused. Also, today I learned that there is a fish called the California Sheep Head. 

 

Edit: I went back through some posts and I now realize what anime you are talking about. 

[Seraphim24]

Since I'm at work it will sometimes take me a few minutes to respond after loading a page so sorry didn't even notice it got hidden (not sure why you did tbh)

When you say worm character I'm not sure who your talking about? If your referring to Berserkers master (Kariya I think) I'd probably agree, I don't like stories that spend the entire time shitting on a character just to discard them at the end, it was a pointlessly cruel waste of the audiences time and emotional investment. I don't like authors shitting on my emotions just for the sake of shitting on my emotions. If they're going to have a character I like suffer so much at least have some kind of reason for it or some kind of meaningful character arc connected with it, other then just making him suffer because this whole world caters to the antagonists psychotic wet dreams.

That said I think there was a decent degree of subtext and meaning behind a lot of the violence (not all of it I'll admit) and it did deal with some mature themes rather well.

Don't worry, spiels can be fun in their own way. It's not a bad way to get conversations going either.

 

I guess I just was kind of interested than changed my mind. Edit: Yeah actually I don't even know who the worm character is either, I don't even, I just can't even recall. Who you are describing sounds perfect, that must be the person I'm considering.

 

Anyway, I watch anime primarily for the hairstyles and the amazing outfits, mature themes and anime is kind of like mixing ketchup and ice cream to me. Maybe Fate/Zero does evoke some interesting ideas better, but the whole date episode with Saber/Emiya plus their whole part at the end at the end was much more valuable and interesting to me than a dozen interesting riffs on the nature of war or whatever.

 

There are some pretty rare instances of it working better like PMMM, but even that relied on outbursts of cute and playful to a degree. Well, actually, there are more than that probably, but Fate/Zero vaporized the emotional aspects entirely for the most part, IMO. That's also why stuff like Spice and Wolf or Fumoffu tends to just cruise past weighty mega oh so epic heavy hitting nonsense like Death Note for me. That's not really anime's strength then or possibly ever.

 

Actually mature is probably the wrong term, intellectual? Logical? There's a certain depth to cuteness also, IMO.

[Isichar]

I have to disagree that it's not at least one of anime's strengths. Anime gets much more creative freedom then most other mediums. I've found more well told mature anime's that I like then I have for any other medium except books. I've seen tons of things done in anime you would never see in a western show, even one that is willing to push the bar a bit more. But that's just my take on it.

Anyways I'm all for enjoying whatever type of anime/story that calls to you. I think you can find depth in almost any story if you know how to look at it.

[SlottsMachine]

Liking comments from 2011 like a boss. Get on my level.

 

I was already on that level. 

[Seraphim24]

Well, I see that in stuff like Evangelion or something also, with the whole mega psychological meta-political shenanigans. I guess I feel like that can be disengenuous though, usually if it's something overtly political, I think you don't give western media enough credit. They usually have simplified something beyond this or that particular problem into something a lot less meandering and digestible.

 

Personally, I think a lot of people would see those aspects in anime more clearly if they could get over the overwhelming nature of the KAMEHAMEHA. Extreme honesty is something I never see in western shows. Diatribes against capitalism or rumination on failings of X or Y system to accomodate Y or Z problem? It's like dang near every other western show.

 

Going back to that whole English professor discussion, it's like sometimes a character is really, REALLY nice. There isn't really anything more to Shinji's character than that to me. The only thing I really sense in Evangelion is the overwhelming hatred he has for for his hero role. It's simply the crisis of his overwhelmingly gentle personality in a very bad situation for that personality. It's like a surging anthem to not being the hero, which yeah you definitely don't see in western media. Heck, it's practically illegal, but people can sense that he has real reasons for it that many people can relate to in some way.

 

However, the endless posturing about Seele or the 3rd impact or Angels or world re-creation is or analyzing this or that to come to the ultimate conclusion about the universe isn't really adding or subtracting from that portrait in any meaningful sense from my perspective. It's kind of cool and accelerates the action, but I'm not likely to buy into any greater meanings for the most part. Once that's gone it's just a mecha with thundercats era graphics and missing an ending due to budget.

 

Regardless, I'd definitely agree that whatever depth you are searching for, you can find that kind of thing, in anime, or really also in GoT, or whatever it may be. Still not Fate/Zero for me, though.

[Isichar]

Well, I see that in stuff like Evangelion or something also, with the whole mega psychological meta-political shenanigans. I guess I feel like that can be disengenuous though, usually if it's something overtly political, I think you don't give western media enough credit. They usually have simplified something beyond this or that particular problem into something a lot less meandering and digestible.
 
Personally, I think a lot of people would see those aspects in anime more clearly if they could get over the overwhelming nature of the KAMEHAMEHA. Extreme honesty is something I never see in western shows. Diatribes against capitalism or rumination on failings of X or Y system to accomodate Y or Z problem? It's like dang near every other western show.
 
Going back to that whole English professor discussion, it's like sometimes a character is really, REALLY nice. There isn't really anything more to Shinji's character than that to me. The only thing I really sense in Evangelion is the overwhelming hatred he has for for his hero role. It's simply the crisis of his overwhelmingly gentle personality in a very bad situation for that personality. It's like a surging anthem to not being the hero, which yeah you definitely don't see in western media. Heck, it's practically illegal, but people can sense that he has real reasons for it that many people can relate to in some way.
 
However, the endless posturing about Seele or the 3rd impact or Angels or world re-creation is or analyzing this or that to come to the ultimate conclusion about the universe isn't really adding or subtracting from that portrait in any meaningful sense from my perspective. It's kind of cool and accelerates the action, but I'm not likely to buy into any greater meanings for the most part. Once that's gone it's just a mecha with thundercats era graphics and missing an ending due to budget.
 
Regardless, I'd definitely agree that whatever depth you are searching for, you can find that kind of thing, in anime, or really also in GoT, or whatever it may be. Still not Fate/Zero for me, though.

I haven't watched Evangelion in about 12 years so I can't really meaningfully comment on the level of depth in that. When I talk about having more creative freedom I'm talking about being able to show "messed up ****" like what me and Sim have been talking about with the manga Berserk. Watching GoT is a picnic compared to going through Berserk as far as I'm concerned.

I don't like stories that are messed up just for the sake of being messed up, but it can be used in a meaningful way if handled properly.

In terms of depth it all comes down to the individual story I think. I can't say a show like Breaking Bad has any less depth then many of the better anime's I've seen. I definitely wouldn't call anime's more deep then western shows or vice versa.

Fate/Zero definitely has some degree of depth I think though, even if at times you argue it misses it's mark. Well I can think of plenty other anime's I would rather talk about in terms of being deep over F/Z I could probably write up a decent sized post on my take for the themes in it and where it has depth, I don't think it's necessarily fair to completely disregard all of it but that's just my opinion and preference.

[OdanUrr]

I've no idea what this is but it appeared on my feed and it's hilarious:

 

[Fidite Nemini]

I've no idea what this is but it appeared on my feed and it's hilarious:

 

 

 

Sekirei.

 

 

It's a nice anime. Lots of boobs.

Worth watching if you found that snippet funny. Show's got plenty more of that. And it's not only comedy and fanservice either.

 

 

Which actually makes me wonder, why hadn't I recommended the series already ... must be getting old and senile again. It's been some years since I watched it last time. Have to remedy that.

[OdanUrr]

Sekirei.

 

 

It's a nice anime. Lots of boobs.

 

That much I gathered.

[Fidite Nemini]

That much I gathered.

 

The mangaka is a woman.

 

 

Make of that what you wish

[Fidite Nemini]

I can spare you much drama and say that you've already seen the very best the show has to offer. No arc surpasses the Zabuza/Haku Land of Waves one and after you've seen the fights in th Chuunin exam, you've seen the best fights this show had for a long, long time. Granted, some of the fights in Shippuuden aren't bad, but there's too much bedazzle around those to make it worthwhile dragging yourself to the plethora of asspulls that will come.

 

 

And if the Sasuke at that point you're watching right now is already bad in your opinion, then you'll positively groaning in pain when you get into Shippuuden.