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[Dominus]

Saw Spice and Wolf. It's got a certain folkish charm to the setting, and there's clearly some sort of Orderly Versus Chaotic faction thing goin on. Holo is a bit more articulate than I was expecting, and it's a pleasant surprise. A mischievious personality, a bit like Loki.

I like eet.

Oh btw, don't you think Dark Souls is inspired by Berserk in some way? xD

>Sees Dark Souls Comment
>Tries to resist responding
>Fails

It's possible. A lot of the Armor/Wardrobe would feel right at home in DS. One guy against impossible odds? Yeh.

[Isichar]

Eh I thought Berserk kinda sucked also though, to be honest. A lot of the 'messed' up is kind of just tame in retrospect. For instance, <spoilers> I thought the first time oh my god the eclipse what a screwed up moment how is this happening. In retrospect though, most of the characters that died were kind of flimsy and it felt like they were set up to die beforehand, Ricket, etc. Plus, the band of the hawk was falling apart from really much earlier than the eclipse, many of the people had already died beforehand. I'd argue the more powerful and messed up moment was when Griffith rapes the princess, it's there when that tension between Guts and Griffith falls away completely and is replaced by Griffith the directionless killer. Plus, all the main characters survive the Eclipse at least, Casca, Guts, and Griffith, although each bears fairly deep scars and all, they still survive.

I mean, relative to what you see in anime generally or in media generally, sure, it's a lot more dramatic than that, but the limitations are there from my POV. Consequently, I'm kind of like... well... maybe Chobits (or whatever) has the edge on Berserk. It's not trying to be messed up, but it's just so cute it's hard to resist. The edginess in anime seems very contrived and manufactured for the most part. The heart though, is another story entirely.

just a few points.

Some minor Berserk spoilers ahead~~~

-Rickert doesn't die. In fact he's still one of the main characters
-of course it was planned out. The first few chapters take place post eclipse so he obviously knew it was going to happen. It is kind of the central point of the whole story.
-pretty sure none of the central members of the band of the hawk are killed before the eclipse
-Griffith didn't rape the princess, she's madly in love with him
-he did rape another character in a terrifying way though
-Griffith the directional killer? Did you read after the Eclipse...?

Be honest, you didn't actually read it did you? X3 Kefka I recommend you go read the last couple chapters of Berserk that have been posted. They will flat out disprove half of what you just said.

Well we have very different tastes. I can find a great deal of depth to the story despite how crude it can be. There are a number of characters that are quite well thought out and I find to have meaningful and interesting character arcs, sort of like what I mentioned about Gatts and Griffith in previous posts with Sim.

I'm familiar with lot's of clamps works from my childhood and I have a great deal of affection towards their anime's, but I still prefer story > cuteness and their anime's well not being particularly bad will never tickle my brain the way a story like Madoka Magical, or Shin Sekai Yori or Berserk or 999 could.

Anyways if your going into anime's with the preference towards cuteness and outfits I guess I can see why you'd find the edginess contrived or lacking in most of the stories (even for PMMM you said the cuteness factor helped a lot) but that seems more of a personal bias then an actual argument against those stories. I think anime can tell any type of story, the fact that it is "animated" shouldn't have any bearings on whether the story has to be childish, cute, deep, action filled or full of fan service, or whatever as I often hear is suggested.

I doubt we'll be exchanging our must watch lists anytime soon but I do respect your opinion. I think it's neat that anime can pull in so many different types of people who have such difference standards tbh.


Sorry Sim I'll respond to your Berserk post next as soon as I get a chance. I'll try to get a response out on my break if I can.

[CrazyRah]

So many pages to catch up on!

 

Just to contribute here's my watch list:

 

Dragon Ball (Z and GT included)

Naruto (Shippuden included) 

Attack on Titan 

Girls Und Panzer 

Ika Musume (Squid Girl)

Madoka Magica 

Sword Art Online 

Angel Beats 

WATAMOTE 

Soranowto 

Strike Witches 

 

I need time to watch more shows....

 

This pleases the great invader!

 

 

De Geso

 

 

It's ok. Hardly anyone has.. 

 

 

Don't worry! I'll get on that aswell! 

 

Also about Katawa Shoujo, Emi's path is easily my favorite one and it was the one I got on my first blind play aswell. It does have some special scenes though 

 

 

Now I just need bro to tell me if he's enjoying that other romance anime and how it is if not I'm heading straight back to GitS 

 

 

I do recall that I did watch one of those.. though my brain has kinda gotten completely taken over by SSY so I actually can't remember the name of the show anymore T..T

 

 

 

Ghost In The Shell is interesting and the first two episodes did didn't discourage me at all so it will do well besides Chihaya which I kinda test watched earlier this week so I'm a few episodes in there already 

[Puzzlewell]

Sim, you're lucky I'm still waking up so I won't wall of text you but PST and Bloodlines both sit in my best games ever list (even if I could lament Troika for days and ramble about how Wesp's patches are... Caine sent. My VTM nerdery is going to show through ).

[Chewin]

Finished Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex.

 

Spoiler

Well to put it short, I found SAC to be an excellent show and one which I enjoyed immensely. However, it isn't without its fair share of flaws.

 

The Complex episodes, which features Section 9 tackling the Laughing Man case is where the series showcases its strengths--the level of variety it manages to portray in its grand narrative which allows it to bring up and focus on different sides of the spectrum in a coherent and intricate manner is truly astute. The underlying storyline of the Laughing Man phenomena is brilliant and how it manages to delve and bring up themes and issues such as copycats, decoys, corporate scandals, an experimental drug, government corruption, etc. are very pleasing aspects to explore and to see how they all more or less manages to correlate into the narrative in such momentous ways is truly laudable. 

 

It goes without saying that the entirety of the Laughing Man as an individual and a phenomenon is praiseworthy. To go into more spoiler territory, the identity behind the mask is explored rather genuinely, with real emphasis put on the character and his issue with corporate corruption and how his action with corporate terrorism put a layer of symbolication and pop cultural influence around the logo and his spontaneous action and how it vastly subverted from his initial goal--to put the corporate corruption into the limelight through a forced confession to instigate fear in the public eye. It is rather ironic how this approach is "phony" in itself, which was what The Laughing Man wanted to fight against himself from the beginning, and having the logo and name being used by the general populace for their own purposes; everything from merchandise to corrupt power cabal in the Japanese government carrying out acts of corporate sabotage. Learning from the incident and its influence it has had in six years, having the Laughing Man choose a more intellectual approach over his former overzealous and radical approach, is a nice nod that completes the Laughing Man incident in a great manner and fighting corporate corruption in general and what can be the political and sociological ramifications of said actions that were taken. Also with the addition of real life works and references that builds up the character and phenomenon is also intriguing and adds a sense of depth that is incorporated into the storyline.

 

The Stand Alone episodes are still a mixed bag. While the episodes are structured well enough that they don't insult the viewer's intelligence or make ridiculous leaps of logic, however when it comes to dealing with corporate politics / terrorism, socio-politics / economics, government corruption, international relations, question of ideologies and philosophies, etc. the range in quality said episode tends to focus on varies a lot, from the representation being either terrific or outright poor. It is a nice addition to the series that manages to flesh out the world that is Ghost in the Shell, and having episodes focusing on so many different aspects and scenarios is welcoming, but certain majority of episodes could have been executed better. 

 

The cast are both good and bad in their own regard. Motoko Kusanagi and Daisuke Aramato are both badasses in their own right and well established characters that are intelligent and proactive individuals. However, they are the only ones to give any real credit to. While the rest of the cast of the section bring their own unique differences and qualities to the board, there is never any real exploration on what, how or why made them into who they are, and when it is for a specific person it is merely hinted at without any real depth put into it. One exception though would be the Tachikoma robot tanks, who annoyed me at first with their inquisitive attitude, but ultimately grew on me since they were characters in their own right that provided both comic relief and a unique take on artificial intelligence with the development regarding their individuality which was quite engrossing.

 

I already noted that the animation and soundtrack are meritorious, so I will conclude that Stand Alone Complex is a great anime that features an interesting setting and manages to delve into interesting topics and dilemmas in a very adult and intricate manner, and I am glad I experienced it. It is easily in my favorite animes I've seen.

[Puzzlewell]

Also, on mobile theme and apparently **** having an edit button so pointless bit of trivia: Dragon's Dogma (very enjoyable game imho even if the story is very cookie cutter til you get to the two main bosses, then it becomes pretty fantastic) has a whole bunch of little nods to Berserk. From what my sleepy brain can remember: One character based heavily on Caska, a witch situation that's drawn from it somehow (I admit this is one I can't remember too well), and a set of both Guts and Griffith's armors. Like I mumbled about the other day, my head gets full of these little references for various series, even if I haven't experienced them personally yet. X3

[Chewin]

It has been done. Dean and Chewin are going to be confused now   

 

Edit: Considered necromancy, but then I realized the topic was locked. 

 

I never get confused when people admire my intelligent mind, be it today or from years back. Same goes for the comical and perverted side. 

 

Anyhooooow, GitS apparently has a second season but I want to save the pleasure of enjoying it for another time, so gonna jump to another anime. Fate/Stay Night is on top of the list. 

[CrazyRah]

So Griffith DOESN'T become like... well, you know. He remains morally ambiguous like always?

 

Excuse me whilst I squee on my pillow and cry of happiness.

 

@Bro

 

I recall it was...

 

Chihayafuru

 

Though you were gonna watch that and was waiting for your response

 

Saki is sooo kawaii

 

I'm about 6 episodes in and there are maybe 1 episode so far that I felt not that excited but otherwise Chihayafuru is far better than it sound. It sounds good but so far it's been great! If I know my bro I know he'll at least enjoy it! Chihaya is just one insanely adorable and hilarious protagonist! Wish I'd have time to watch more but you know.. being CEO of Crazy corp sure is busy! 

 

[Saber Wolf]

Glad you liked Spice and Wolf, Dom. I do wonder what the threads reaction would be if someone blatantly found the anime to be complete garbage

 

And good to hear that you enjoyed GitS:SAC, Chewin! It was a very thorough review and I agreed on your points, especially regarding the Laughin Man. Do watch the second season when you can, since it does give more characterization to the other individuals in Section 9. Also, enjoy Fate/Stay Night. It is okay-ish anime, but I am sure you will like it b/c of Saber at least. And to wacth Fate/Zero immediately after you finish Night, whatever you might think of Night, Zero is 10x better.

[General TSAR]

I just finished watching all 25 episodes of Attack on Titan, interesting universe and characters, the fight scenes are amazing (despite the CG buildings) and the OST is an odd collection of aweasomeness especially "Call my name".

 

Now on to Black Lagoon. 

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I find you lack of interest in One Piece disturbing.

 

Baratie Arc and Arlong Park Arc are very good. I'm really impressed by them.

[Isichar]

Ah Chihayafuru.. Give me season 3 already damn you!

@Sim

You're right that thing with the Princess was an emotional response triggered by Gatts. Griffith is very childish like that and gets all whiney when he doesn't get what he wants

I personally do believe that Gatts role in the story is intended to some degree by the same force that guides Griffith for a couple reasons. For one I think their relationship is to a large extent one of the causes of Griffith's choice during the Eclipse, at least in the sense that it played a role in leading Griffith to that specific event (which also ties into the whole duality thing between them). The other thing is just how omnipetent the force controlling it all is, it seems to understand everything past, present and future to a scary degree and so far you've only seen a very limited piece of the puzzle in terms of what it is actually attempting to accomplish (which will tie into the thing about Griffith's morality later)

Griffiths morality is another topic which like duality I could go on about for a while and one that is difficult for me to talk about properly on my phone since it's rather complicated but I'll take a shot, just bare with me.

In regards to Griffith's life being planned I'm talking about everything including his needs and wants, there is a reason Griffith is the God of dreams, which is something that is huge in the fantasy genre and for humanity in general, but he represents both the terrifying aspect of it as well as the wondrous aspect both of which are often connected in some form or the other. So let's talk a bit about WHAT Griffith specifically wants because it does not simply boil down to power for powers sake. Griffith wants to create the world he has seen in his dreams, he wants a kingdom, he wants a world of magic and one in which he is it's ruler and these are all desires he is intended to have. The Eclipse is a means to an end, it's the turning point and one that shows just how horrifying his dream can be and what he is willing to do to accomplish it, but the dream itself is a very human and understandable one which is what makes it so terrifying. Even the people around Griffith are drawn to that dream, in large part due to Griffith seemingly being able to accomplish the impossible.

Is he wrong? That is a very complicated question that I think is more grey then the Eclipse makes it appear, which I know sounds almost impossible considering how horrifying the Eclipse was, but the truth is that the Eclipse was only the start of Griffith's dream, the fuel to light the fire and the rest of the story deals with that dream itself, again keeping in mind that everything that happens from this point on will always be contrasted to the Eclipse from the POV of the audience and Gatts, although as far as the rest of the world knows Griffith is still this legendary figure.

A lot of what I just said about Griffith is also mirrored in Gatts except almost in the exact opposite sense which ties back into duality. I could go into the details for Gatts ebut I'll leave that for later since this is already turningnintoba post far too long for something I wrote up on a phone. I would like to talk more about this later when I get a chance since the concept of duality doesn't dissapear with the Eclipse, if anything it only escalates further between the two.

P.S. I'm just a lowly grunt unfortunately, although I am one of the better played ones due to the specialty work of what I do and some degree of experience. It certainly keeps me busy some days though.

BTW sorry if I missed any points or any posts recently made but this took a while for me to type up X3 I'll go into more details when I'm at home if I'm not too tired later.

Edit: Just a quick after thought. I can't help but feel Berserk is a story designed just for people like you and me who are drawn to the fantasy/dark fantasy genre. There's a lot of subtext that can fly over your head with this series if you don't understand that need to dream and yearning for the fantastical imagination as well as the horror that can potentially come with it.

[Jerome Jira]

Finished Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex.

 

Spoiler

Well to put it short, I found SAC to be an excellent show and one which I enjoyed immensely. However, it isn't without its fair share of flaws.

 

The Complex episodes, which features Section 9 tackling the Laughing Man case is where the series showcases its strengths--the level of variety it manages to portray in its grand narrative which allows it to bring up and focus on different sides of the spectrum in a coherent and intricate manner is truly astute. The underlying storyline of the Laughing Man phenomena is brilliant and how it manages to delve and bring up themes and issues such as copycats, decoys, corporate scandals, an experimental drug, government corruption, etc. are very pleasing aspects to explore and to see how they all more or less manages to correlate into the narrative in such momentous ways is truly laudable. 

 

It goes without saying that the entirety of the Laughing Man as an individual and a phenomenon is praiseworthy. To go into more spoiler territory, the identity behind the mask is explored rather genuinely, with real emphasis put on the character and his issue with corporate corruption and how his action with corporate terrorism put a layer of symbolication and pop cultural influence around the logo and his spontaneous action and how it vastly subverted from his initial goal--to put the corporate corruption into the limelight through a forced confession to instigate fear in the public eye. It is rather ironic how this approach is "phony" in itself, which was what The Laughing Man wanted to fight against himself from the beginning, and having the logo and name being used by the general populace for their own purposes; everything from merchandise to corrupt power cabal in the Japanese government carrying out acts of corporate sabotage. Learning from the incident and its influence it has had in six years, having the Laughing Man choose a more intellectual approach over his former overzealous and radical approach, is a nice nod that completes the Laughing Man incident in a great manner and fighting corporate corruption in general and what can be the political and sociological ramifications of said actions that were taken. Also with the addition of real life works and references that builds up the character and phenomenon is also intriguing and adds a sense of depth that is incorporated into the storyline.

 

The Stand Alone episodes are still a mixed bag. While the episodes are structured well enough that they don't insult the viewer's intelligence or make ridiculous leaps of logic, however when it comes to dealing with corporate politics / terrorism, socio-politics / economics, government corruption, international relations, question of ideologies and philosophies, etc. the range in quality said episode tends to focus on varies a lot, from the representation being either terrific or outright poor. It is a nice addition to the series that manages to flesh out the world that is Ghost in the Shell, and having episodes focusing on so many different aspects and scenarios is welcoming, but certain majority of episodes could have been executed better. 

 

The cast are both good and bad in their own regard. Motoko Kusanagi and Daisuke Aramato are both badasses in their own right and well established characters that are intelligent and proactive individuals. However, they are the only ones to give any real credit to. While the rest of the cast of the section bring their own unique differences and qualities to the board, there is never any real exploration on what, how or why made them into who they are, and when it is for a specific person it is merely hinted at without any real depth put into it. One exception though would be the Tachikoma robot tanks, who annoyed me at first with their inquisitive attitude, but ultimately grew on me since they were characters in their own right that provided both comic relief and a unique take on artificial intelligence with the development regarding their individuality which was quite engrossing.

 

I already noted that the animation and soundtrack are meritorious, so I will conclude that Stand Alone Complex is a great anime that features an interesting setting and manages to delve into interesting topics and dilemmas in a very adult and intricate manner, and I am glad I experienced it. It is easily in my favorite animes I've seen.

 

Glad that you ultimately ended up liking it! Don't put Season 2 for too long, it is better than the first one. 

 

And glad to hear you enjoyed Kusanagi. I knew you'd fall for her. Everybody does.

 

 

[Nordicus]

In One-Punch Man 37.4 I'm getting even more certain that Murata is not happy if this remake doesn't have at least 1 amazing panel every chapter


 

>Sees Dark Souls Comment
>Tries to resist responding
>Fails

It's possible. A lot of the Armor/Wardrobe would feel right at home in DS. One guy against impossible odds? Yeh.

Dark Souls inspired by Berserk? Most ridiculous claim ever!
 


Never heard anything sillier!

[Fidite Nemini]

No love for Batou and Ishikawa?

[SlottsMachine]

No love for Togusa?

[Gravisanimi]

@Rah

Colaman was actually the one who introduced me to Squid Girl.