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[eroeru]

Some Geth wrote...

Nana is the worst shojo.

This is truth.

[Clover Rider]

Boys Over Flowers is really bad too.

[eroeru]

Luckily, I've yet to see that one... (in the very indefinite future I might give it a try - but only to be more knowledgeable or something)

[Clover Rider]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

1. Being an determinator cna get very bad and boring.

2. Designated hero means exactly like that. He is a hero, but it's so obivous it hurts. The main bad will ALWAYS be reserved for the designated hero (even whe there's a team/band). Everyone will be concerned over the designated hero and everything will revolve around him.

3. Hard work that goes beyond redicolous. Of the kind where you get superhuman powers and abilitites just by working hard. No magic or anytnig.


As for irritating. Let's just say there are some characters I'd like to grab by the head and introduce them to a cheese grinder.

I said I would get to you so here goes.

1. Sure being one can get very bad if you do it wrong, One Piece's main cast are all determinators and they are all great at being one. If things do get bad even Luffy will know when to run look at the Sabaody arc. Now again point out to me when them being determinators was bad or got in the way.

2. Most main characters are like that. It can get bad when the rest of the cast is not in the starlight but that is the thing One Piece never takes time away from the rest of the cast without good reason like the Amazon Lily arc to the Marineford arc. Even then Luffy was not the most important character in the Marineford arc. You are also wrong about Luffy always fighting the main bad by himself look at the Thriller Bark and the Sabaody arcs.

As for Son Goku, people always like the main character the most in a gag series Gintama, Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo, Beelzebub and GTO's main characters are the same so that's why they get the starlight.
If you don't care for that type of character go read Hunter x Hunter.

3. Okay this one is funny, you are trying to criticize comic/cartoon physics, you do know what One Piece and Dragon Ball are? and who they are aimed at right? They are not Lone Wolf and Cub, their physics are not of our world. The only "magic" in One Piece are the Devil Fruits.

As for hating on characters, why not hate on characters who you should hate? like Sasuke from Naruto, Ichigo and that ice thing from Bleach and Tenshinhan from Dragon Ball because they are stupid and/or boring.

I always love when I hate a character who is not stupid or boring, like Shaiapouf from Hunter x Hunter he was "not" a bad character by any means I just hated him cuz he was an a-hole and I was happy he got me to hate him if that makes any sense.

Modifié par Some Geth, 27 janvier 2012 - 08:51 .

[eroeru]

Interesting that you mention Ten. He was a very boring and shallow character for the 2nd Tenkaichi arc, but during the thing with Piccolo, he's starting to redeem his traits, in my eyes. I mean, the silent determined kind of char (antagonistic against Piccolo) is really noteworthy, in my opinion. Only if you do believe in him being one who has humbled down, so to speak...

That said, I'm really enjoying DB right now. I've gotten through with 114 eps, all kinds of resonating stuff has happened, and I don't know how Ten or anyone will progress.
(no spoilers please)

Oh, and I didn't like the Tenkaichi part, except for the final match. That one was amusing and interesting at the same time - didn't let itself be taken seriously.

Modifié par eroeru, 27 janvier 2012 - 11:20 .

[shnizzler93]

Elfen Lied.

Though the english dub can be extremely grating at times, I really like parts of the anime.

[eroeru]

shnizzler93 wrote...
I really like parts of the anime.

Same here.

Though it felt a bit awkward mostly, it's certainly an interesting kind of awkward.

[Clover Rider]

eroeru wrote...

Interesting that you mention Ten. He was a very boring and shallow character for the 2nd Tenkaichi arc, but during the thing with Piccolo, he's starting to redeem his traits, in my eyes. I mean, the silent determined kind of char (antagonistic against Piccolo) is really noteworthy, in my opinion. Only if you do believe in him being one who has humbled down, so to speak...

That said, I'm really enjoying DB right now. I've gotten through with 114 eps, all kinds of resonating stuff has happened, and I don't know how Ten or anyone will progress.
(no spoilers please)

Oh, and I didn't like the Tenkaichi part, except for the final match. That was amusing and interesting at the same time - didn't let itself be taken seriously.

Tenshinhan was a boring character for me, like yeah he starts to get better in the Piccolo arc... BUT! Then after that he never really got the time to show me how he was not a horrifically bland character with the intelligence of a rock and suicide tendencies to boot.

I am happy you are liking Dragon Ball right now but for your dislike of the Tenkaichi arc, what was wrong with Goku vs Kuririn?<_<

Oh and you are in for some great episodes next.

Modifié par Some Geth, 27 janvier 2012 - 10:18 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Some Geth wrote...
I would get to you so here goes.

Get to me? How?

1. Sure being one can get very bad if you do it wrong, One Piece's main cast are all determinators and they are all great at being one. If things do get bad even Luffy will know when to run look at the Sabaody arc. Now again point out to me when them being determinators was bad or got in the way.

I'm talking Shonen in general, not jsut One Piece.
Altough for hte most part OP cast is guilty of this as well.

2. Most main characters are like that. It can get bad when the rest of the cast is not in the starlight but that is the thing One Piece never takes time away from the rest of the cast without good reason like the Amazon Lily arc to the Marineford arc. Even then Luffy was not the most important character in the Marineford arc. You are also wrong about Luffy always fighting the main bad by himself look at the Thriller Bark and the Sabaody arcs.

Either Luffy or Luffy+ gang?
When did someone NOT Luffy fight the big bad (and win)?

If you don't care for that type of character go read Hunter x Hunter.

Advertising that show much?

3. Okay this one is funny, you are trying to criticize comic/cartoon physics, you do know what One Piece and Dragon Ball are? and who they are aimed at right? They are not Lone Wolf and Cub, their physics are not of our world. The only "magic" in One Piece are the Devil Fruits.

As for hating on characters, why not hate on characters who you should hate? like Sasuke from Naruto, Ichigo and that ice thing from Bleach and Tenshinhan from Dragon Ball because they are stupid and/or boring.

I always love when I hate a character who is not stupid or boring, like Shaiapouf from Hunter x Hunter he was "not" a bad character by any means I just hated him cuz he was an a-hole and I was happy he got me to hate him if that makes any sense.

Should....hate?
What makes you think I don't hate Sasuke or Ichigo?

As  Isaid..I also hate SonGoku and Luffy-  tehy iritate me. Their entire mannerism irritates me. Their fafces irritate me.

[Lotion Soronarr]

One of hte best characters ever:

www.youtube.com/watch   (watch from 3:15 onward...and the next episode)

[eroeru]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Some Geth wrote...
I would get to you so here goes.

Get to me? How?

I think he referred to the post where he got to answer me and mentioned that you were next in line. Noone wants to change another's personality here - it's just replying to one at a time.

I will sure watch Saint Seiya after I've dealt with some others... but can you explain the series a bit? What's it like? Because I don't know where to put it on my watch list.


@ Some Geth - I liked Goku vs Kuririn, it's just that it was kinda obvious a match, in my opinion. It was one of the best that featured Kuririn though.

And I'm quite sure you're right about the upcoming eps. The story-weaving seems fantastic at the moment!

[Lotion Soronarr]

Hurr..depends which Saint Seiya.

The first  - old one - had great characters (Phoenix Ikki rocks) and a an excellent mythology. Arty style is so-so, but better than most.
Then you have the Asgard and Neptune saga thgat continue the story. they're good too, but the drawing stlye suffers.

Then you have Sanctuary/Hades and everything after that that has the worst art/drawing stlye of them all (and probably the worst plot holes too)

Exception is the Lost Canvas (the one I linked .. it's a prequel of sorts, but it shows gold saints at their best) which has the best art style of them all.


SS is my guilty pleasure, as it does a lot of stuff bad. There are major problems with consistency and hte main character  (Pegasus sait - in both regular and Lost Canvas) is boring as heell.Thank god other character jump in.


the plot is basicly old greek gods are real and they fight holy wars with human warriors gifted wuth great powers based on stellar constelations and special armors (also linked ot the constellation)

[Lotion Soronarr]

Heres a few AMV showing off the animation/art of each:

Lost Canvas:
www.youtube.com/watch

Sanctuary/Hades/Elysium
www.youtube.com/watch

Asgard/Poseidon
www.youtube.com/watch

12 houses:
www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 28 janvier 2012 - 12:48 .

[eroeru]

Thanks for the links!

I will most probably start from the oldies - I tend to like the so-called classical art-style more to the modern one too, and I've got fresh experience that starting a series anew gives a whole new and better perspective (Dragon Ball). Anyways, those are nice some nice AMV's - I usually avoid such youtube stuff, as they're most often pointless or godawful - and from these Asgard/Poseidon seemed the most fit. I'd love some reimagining of Greek mythology - if it would actually use some of that "manliness" and uncompromising overall of the originals.

Probably going to give the series a go after I've finished with Dragon Ball (or however much of it would be still good).

That will take a while though.

[Clover Rider]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Some Geth wrote...
I would get to you so here goes.

Get to me? How?

1. Sure being one can get very bad if you do it wrong, One Piece's main cast are all determinators and they are all great at being one. If things do get bad even Luffy will know when to run look at the Sabaody arc. Now again point out to me when them being determinators was bad or got in the way.

I'm talking Shonen in general, not jsut One Piece.
Altough for hte most part OP cast is guilty of this as well.

2. Most main characters are like that. It can get bad when the rest of the cast is not in the starlight but that is the thing One Piece never takes time away from the rest of the cast without good reason like the Amazon Lily arc to the Marineford arc. Even then Luffy was not the most important character in the Marineford arc. You are also wrong about Luffy always fighting the main bad by himself look at the Thriller Bark and the Sabaody arcs.

Either Luffy or Luffy+ gang?
When did someone NOT Luffy fight the big bad (and win)?

If you don't care for that type of character go read Hunter x Hunter.

Advertising that show much?

3. Okay this one is funny, you are trying to criticize comic/cartoon physics, you do know what One Piece and Dragon Ball are? and who they are aimed at right? They are not Lone Wolf and Cub, their physics are not of our world. The only "magic" in One Piece are the Devil Fruits.

As for hating on characters, why not hate on characters who you should hate? like Sasuke from Naruto, Ichigo and that ice thing from Bleach and Tenshinhan from Dragon Ball because they are stupid and/or boring.

I always love when I hate a character who is not stupid or boring, like Shaiapouf from Hunter x Hunter he was "not" a bad character by any means I just hated him cuz he was an a-hole and I was happy he got me to hate him if that makes any sense.

Should....hate?
What makes you think I don't hate Sasuke or Ichigo?

As isaid..I also hate SonGoku and Luffy-  tehy iritate me. Their entire mannerism irritates me. Their fafces irritate me.

What eroeru said.

Like I said it can be bad if you do it wrong, One Piece does it fine.

Luffy and the Strawhats vs Moriah and Oars. There really is no point in any of the other Strawhats having a one-on-one fight with a main bad.

Well I said go read Hunter x Hunter but yeah go watch it.

I never said you don't hate Sauke or Ichigo, I just think you should hate them since they are bad characters.

At the end of the day it is just opinion but that really does not make Son Goku and Luffy bad characters.

@eroeru Do not worry Dragon Ball never really gets bad since it has far less bad Toei filler than DBZ.

Modifié par Some Geth, 28 janvier 2012 - 02:26 .

[eroeru]

Some Geth wrote...
@eroeru Do not worry Dragon Ball never really gets bad since it has far less bad Toei filler than DBZ.

I was referring to the franchise.

I'll most probably do some DBZ after I've watched the original, though I can't tell how much of it will interest me, at this moment.

[Clover Rider]

eroeru wrote...

Some Geth wrote...
@eroeru Do not worry Dragon Ball never really gets bad since it has far less bad Toei filler than DBZ.

I was referring to the franchise.

I'll most probably do some DBZ after I've watched the original, though I can't tell how much of it will interest me, at this moment.

DBZ really is more of the same the only bad thing is the Toei filler that makes the pacing horrible. Dragon Ball Kai was to fix all that but Toei had to mess it up again.<_<

Still DBZ has the Ginyu Tokusentai and they are some of the best gag characters ever.

But the Cell arc is kind of bad, it is a bit too serious, not all of the blame is on Toriyama since his editor said "These villain designs suck, come up with better villains." And so he kept changing the story and backpeddling.  

He didn't have any sort of master plan, he was making that arc up as he went along.

It does not help that Cell was a very meh bad guy but he's the result of the author's editor being a b!tch, so yeah.

Though gotta admit I like his bug-like design, even though he was generic haughty villain with none of the grace of Piccolo and Freeza.

[Lotion Soronarr]

eroeru wrote...

Thanks for the links!

I will most probably start from the oldies - I tend to like the so-called classical art-style more to the modern one too, and I've got fresh experience that starting a series anew gives a whole new and better perspective (Dragon Ball). Anyways, those are nice some nice AMV's - I usually avoid such youtube stuff, as they're most often pointless or godawful - and from these Asgard/Poseidon seemed the most fit. I'd love some reimagining of Greek mythology - if it would actually use some of that "manliness" and uncompromising overall of the originals.

Yeah, that is always the best way to go - in other of creation. Shows you how it changed over time.
Technicly you COULD start with Lost Canvas, since it's a prequel of a sort...

the first 60 episodes do cahgne tone over the course...and the weirdness wiht the "Black Saints and Steel saints" - those were so bad ideas that evne the createor never mention or show them ever again.

Also, keep an eye on this guy:
deadliestfictionalwarrior.wikispaces.com/phoenix+ikki

[Lotion Soronarr]

Some Geth wrote...
Like I said it can be bad if you do it wrong, One Piece does it fine.

Subjective

Luffy and the Strawhats vs Moriah and Oars. There really is no point in any of the other Strawhats having a one-on-one fight with a main bad.

Yes there is...to remove the "designated hero" efffect.

[Clover Rider]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Some Geth wrote...
Like I said it can be bad if you do it wrong, One Piece does it fine.

Subjective

Luffy and the Strawhats vs Moriah and Oars. There really is no point in any of the other Strawhats having a one-on-one fight with a main bad.

Yes there is...to remove the "designated hero" efffect.

Point out to me how One Piece does it bad.<_<

That really is not a point since most of the time the main bad always has the most power or is in Luffy's way, I mean did you want Chopper to fight Crocodile?

And again Luffy is the main character, the story is most of the time from his point of view, it's his adventure with his friends, so it's not like Luffy is always in the starlight but yeah he is the star. It has been that way since volume 1 you can't just change the formula after 64 volumes without good reason.

Once more if you don't care for main characters fighting main bads go read Hunter x Hunter.:innocent:

Modifié par Some Geth, 28 janvier 2012 - 10:29 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Some Geth wrote...
That really is not a point since most of the time the main bad always has the most power or is in Luffy's way, I mean did you want Chopper to fight Crocodile?

You are jsut proving my point here.
If it's ALWAYS the main guy who fights the bad guy, it's shallow. tT's predictable. And it also suffers from "only the designated hero can touch my" syndrome - and how is that NOT Mary Sue-ish?
There is no logical reason why 1 guy should always fight the main bad. None.
So yes. There is a point.

[Clover Rider]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Some Geth wrote...
That really is not a point since most of the time the main bad always has the most power or is in Luffy's way, I mean did you want Chopper to fight Crocodile?

You are jsut proving my point here.
If it's ALWAYS the main guy who fights the bad guy, it's shallow. tT's predictable. And it also suffers from "only the designated hero can touch my" syndrome - and how is that NOT Mary Sue-ish?
There is no logical reason why 1 guy should always fight the main bad. None.
So yes. There is a point.

What? fighting a main bad guy makes the main character a Mary Sue?

I don't know about shallow since there is always a point to the fights. I mean it is predictable sure but so is almost everything in One Piece.

And I did give you a reason the main bad is almost always the most powerful, now tell me who the most powerful of the Strawhats is? If you don't care for that reason, who out of the Strawhats do you think will want to fight the main bad the most?

So nope I don't see your point.

Modifié par Some Geth, 28 janvier 2012 - 11:07 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Some Geth wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Some Geth wrote...
That really is not a point since most of the time the main bad always has the most power or is in Luffy's way, I mean did you want Chopper to fight Crocodile?

You are jsut proving my point here.
If it's ALWAYS the main guy who fights the bad guy, it's shallow. tT's predictable. And it also suffers from "only the designated hero can touch my" syndrome - and how is that NOT Mary Sue-ish?
There is no logical reason why 1 guy should always fight the main bad. None.
So yes. There is a point.

What? fighting a main bad guy makes the main character a Mary Sue?

Well, being special is a MarySue trait. And I'm not talkign about 1 bad guy - I'm talking about a pattern.Again, creates the whole "only HE can fight me" vibe.
Practiclkyand logicly, there is no reason why 1 guy from a team should always fight the big bad.

And I did give you a reason the main bad is almost always the most powerful, now tell me who the most powerful of the Strawhats is?

Zoro?
Don't get me started on Luffys "supposed" vulnerabiltiy to cutting (but he sti  lblocks Zoro's swords with his wooden slippers)

[Clover Rider]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Some Geth wrote...
That really is not a point since most of the time the main bad always has the most power or is in Luffy's way, I mean did you want Chopper to fight Crocodile?

You are jsut proving my point here.
If it's ALWAYS the main guy who fights the bad guy, it's shallow. tT's predictable. And it also suffers from "only the designated hero can touch my" syndrome - and how is that NOT Mary Sue-ish?
There is no logical reason why 1 guy should always fight the main bad. None.
So yes. There is a point.

What? fighting a main bad guy makes the main character a Mary Sue?

Well, being special is a MarySue trait. And I'm not talkign about 1 bad guy - I'm talking about a pattern.Again, creates the whole "only HE can fight me" vibe.
Practiclkyand logicly, there is no reason why 1 guy from a team should always fight the big bad.

And I did give you a reason the main bad is almost always the most powerful, now tell me who the most powerful of the Strawhats is?

Zoro?
Don't get me started on Luffys "supposed" vulnerabiltiy to cutting (but he sti  lblocks Zoro's swords with his wooden slippers)

Being special does not always make one a Mary Sue.

If you want to bring in logic there is no logic in fighting the bad guys at all or logic in the sea they are on or the dreams of the Strawhats and so on and so on.<_<

As for Zoro being the most powerful you are very close, Luffy is weak to swords and can be cut down, in a Luffy vs Zoro fight it would be hard to guess who would win but One Piece already did that and Nami was the winner.

But we are not talking about them fighting we are talking about who the most powerful and it is Luffy, for his endurance and how fast he is(and don't forget the magic willpower Haki stuff). Luffy almost lost to Lucci even with the high endurance and speed that he has, as for Zoro he was more or less out of power from just fighting Kaku(do you hate Zoro fighting the second strongest bad guys all the time as well?:innocent:) who is in no way as strong as Lucci, so you think slow Zoro would of won going at Lucci?

The CP9 were the only bad guys to have set power levels(did not care for it) but before them you had guys like Mr.1 who Luffy could never win a fight with(before Haki anyway) Zoro was the only one that could win. So it's not always a most powerful thing but when it comes to the main bad guys it is and you are going to want Luffy for them.

And again who do you think out of the Strawhats will want to fight the main bad guy the most? well I am going to tell you, it is Luffy, so may as well let him do it.

Modifié par Some Geth, 28 janvier 2012 - 12:16 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Some Geth wrote...
As for Zoro being the most powerful you are very close, Luffy is weak to swords and can be cut down, in a Luffy vs Zoro fight it would be hard to guess who would win but One Piece already did that and Nami was the winner.

But we are not talking about them fighting we are talking about who the most powerful and it is Luffy, for his endurance and how fast he is(and don't forget the magic willpower Haki stuff). Luffy almost lost to Lucci even with the high endurance and speed that he has, as for Zoro he was more or less out of power from just fighting Kaku(do you hate Zoro fighting the second strongest bad guys all the time as well?:innocent:) who is in no way as strong as Lucci, so you think slow Zoro would of won going at Lucci?

Yes, I hate it. I hate everything you mentioned there.

Tehy way its' setup it it downright screams: "LOOk, THIS HERE IS THE MAIN PROTAGONIST. EVEN THE UNVIERSE KNOWS IT!"

So it's not always a most powerful thing but when it comes to the main bad guys it is and you are going to want Luffy for them.

No, why would I always want Luffy? Mix it up for crying out loud.