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[TheChris92]

Sh*t can't find it anywhere. Not even on crunchyroll.

 

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Found it.

 

ETA 2:

 

Four minutes in and there's already a guy called f*cking Shinji.

 

I've been plauged by Shinjis!

 

SHINJIS EVERYWHERE!

"Did you see that Shinji?"

 

You'll get it, eventually.

[CrazyRah]

Those were the dark ages. The days were King Philip the Geth ruled with a kind-of-iron-but-not-so-iron fist!

 

 

Sounds like some really dark times bro.. 

[CrazyRah]

Akame Ga kill!

 

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A nice episode that was focused on Esdeath past and why she's the person she's today and that the hope Tatsumi held to change her mind was insane to hold to begin with. Esdeath though as always one incredibly amazing character and it's scary and impressive that the same person that bury hundres of thousand alive also can draw such adorable art in her notebook. Scaaaaary!

 

 

Oh and THAT preview!

[Chewin]

You're on about that bad-ass dog lover aren't you? xD

 

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So my thoughts...

 

A little underwhelming, seeing as it in no way compares to the Fate/Zero introduction which established the laws and principles of the Grail War perfectly as well as the intrigues of the Church and the rest of the cast.

 

But I sense this is meant to be watched with Fate/Zero, well, directly after it.

 

Archer is great and Lancer (who I thought was Fate/Zero's thus OOC) ... well, I can't have a real opinion on him, can I?

 

The problem being mostly is the tone. Fate/Zero was a lot darker and serious whilst Stay/Night started off like a High School anime xD yet I can see things turning darker as the series goes on.

 

A few advantages to this, though.

 

One of Fate/Zero's weaknesses is its cast. In that it was far too large for the amount of episodes in it. We got some characters that were really fleshed out (Emiya) and then others that were given the scraps... like sick dude. So this way of introducing people one by one can/may/will give it a better flow for things and develop these characters as they go on and are introduced. Same goes for the lore and setting. A contradiction to my earlier statement but it is an advantage. It just so happened that Fate/Zero handled it perfectly.

 

However, so far my favourite thing about this was Archer's and Rin's relationship. Which is vital of course since one of the main attractions of the Fate series would be the interactions between Master and Servant, no?

 

Anyway, overall I liked the episode. Visually it was gorgeous and the fight was really well done. Archer's mystery intrigues me and I'm fond of this new cast of characters that aren't from Fate/Zero (bar Saber of course.) It did strike me odd how Saber just went for the kill with Rin, unless she was commanded to. It does seem OOC that someone who has a carrot up her bumhole about honour and justice was go straight on to decapitate a teenager.

 

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Regarding exposition; while Fate/Zero does managed to establish the necessary background information quite nicely, the show does suffer from an infodump since it compresses basically all the major aspects into a single episode. While personally I didn't find any real problems with it, looking at it from an objective point of view, the pacing in the episode is rather dull and not what I would consider one of the show's stronger episodes. Branching the exposition throughout the story, especially for something as multifaceted as the Fate series are, would serve a better purpose for the narrative. Fate/Stay Night 2006 did this but unfortunately failed in that regard since it didn't add enough information and wasn't exactly coherent. 

 

Comparing Zero and Stay Night together isn't actually that fair I would argue, since they are quite different in their narrative approach. Zero utilizes characters that represents distortion in society, who fight for valiant ideals with a firm belief system. Stay Night however has characters suffering from trying to come to terms with problems in their own narrow perspectives and are challenged by an individual's (in this case Kotomine) value system, which have already been tested and has completely matured, and in turn acts as a great wall for the troubled and younger main characters.

I would only compare on this as which show utilizes the narrative style better, which undoubtedly is Fate/Zero since Fate/Stay Night falls a tad bit short in its approach.

 

I will disagree on calling Zero's cast of character the show's weakness. While true that the show does feature a large rooster of important individuals and that some are more fleshed out than others, it is not a feature that I would consider that the show suffers from. Take Uryuu for example (who I think you referred to as the "the sick dude"); while not given enough screen time, the show manages to characterize his role as a serial killer quite nicely--taking into account his obsessiveness around the murders, his development into that psychopathic state, his preferred targets, his pios and psychological belief on the topic of death, etc.

While there would certainly be room to develop certain characters further, Fate/Zero is quite astute in its manner of representation and what it does in 25 Episodes is something that I find to be admirable compared to shows with several episodes who do jack with its characters.

[Chewin]

Akame ga Kill!

 

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I'm rather impressed by how consistent this show is. It has proven to be a solid show so far and has managef to include action, humor, narrative and character progression and more in a very comprehensive manner. 

 

And lol!

 

 

Was getting a very Visual Novel feel when watching the show and had a good laugh when this popped up. On pure enjoyment level, this show knows how to deliver.

[Seraphim24]

<Spoilers Fate seris>
 
Fate/stay clobbers Fate/Zero if for no reason other than this

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http://youtu.be/OvujkuaD02Y?t=7m31s

[Fidite Nemini]

Get in line.

[CrazyRah]

Nearing the end of the first season of Ghost In the Shell and it's had maybe 5-6 solid episodes in a row now and 4 of them have been about the laughing man case and it was good to see that even section 9 can get into situations where they don't get a clean win and even suffer some pain. For a while there they almost felt invincible! Some of the characters have grown quite a bit on me with Batou and Motoko being the most prominent ones.

It really only need to keep up the quality of the last few episodes and I'll be more than happy to continue with season 2 directly after the first one is completed. 

 

Chihahafuru season 2 start of exactly how it was expected to and it managed to within the first few min make me dislike my first character and it was about time that happened! Also it made it very clear just how much more I already care about the first seasons character and with new ones getting introduced they just got such a long path to travel before they might even get mentioned by me. At least Chihaya and the rest are the same or even a little bit better!

 

[Some Geth]

Those were the dark ages. The days were King Philip the Geth ruled with a kind-of-iron-but-not-so-iron fist!

It was a gold fist of love and cruelty.

[Fidite Nemini]

It was a gold fist of love and cruelty.

 

 

Jaime Lannister anyone?

[Some Geth]

But he makes a sh!tty ruler.

 

I was fine.

 

I know this because I was the ruler here.

[Chewin]

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Unfortunately for me, I have very little sense on pacing. If it interests me, an episode will go fast or slow. I would try to look at things objectively, but to me pace is more about what's going on screen and whether it is relevant to the narrative than if there's action or not. So my definition might be totally out there.

 

Unless I'm misunderstood and your meaning is essentially "the pacing was fine but the contents therein were dull." Which I find hard to believe since you followed it with "one of the shows' stronger episodes."

 

You are right that Zero begins with a huge info dump. It tells us all we have to know about the characters, the setting and the principles of magic that there is little left to tell. While it can be a heavy load to bare with, I can't help but feel that the information given was dealt with superbly. I never felt overwhelmed by what was thrown at me and the exposition never missed its mark.

 

Unlike, say, Ghost in the Shell, where I might have to pause and think on "blah blah blah Cyber Electronic Pancakes blah blah blah." (Sorry for that. I love Ghost in the Shell though )

 

 

 

 

This is where I fall flat on experience. I was advised against watching Stay/Night so there is nothing to compare it to

 

So you might be right, but I cannot help it there. But I will keep it in mind for the next few episodes. So I am left with nothing to argue with, hehe. Next point then! Hoorah!

 

 

 

I think you're right here. I'm being spoilt (again) but Legend of the Galactic Heroes, which managed so much with a large cast itself, larger than Zero's by a long shot. And it's unfair, that I do this, since 110 episodes can't really compare to 25, no?

 

Maybe it's a testament (what's with me and this word?) To this shows' own cast, that I'm left wanting more from them since they intrigued me so much.

 

So yeah, it was totally unfair to call its weakness as if it were its only flaw. But I wouldn't call it a strength either, nor something I would admire as a feat. Emiya, Kirei, Rider and his b*tch all got great development. Saber, Lancer, Archer and hell even that sicko Caster too. The rest got what they needed and nothing beyond that.

 

Then again. I watched Zero some time ago. I'm kind of rusty in my recollections.

 

God I have a poor memory.

 

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Whether one finds something to be annoying when it comes to exposition is largely subjective. As I said, I had no overall problems with it. However it is important to know how to balance it out. How much exposition versus scenework will suffice, what level of octane scenes will work best, etc. Zero uses the form of 'Summary' as an exposition method, which purpose is to give neither a full nor a half-scene treatment. F/Z however bridged the gap and gave quite a big one, which I argue was unnecessary for the plot to summarize everything right then and there.

 

Apologize for the confusion, I didn't mean you directly as I mentioned comparing the two series. It was just something I wanted to get out.

 

Well I won't disagree, the show did left me wanting more for sure, but I was completely satisfied by what Zero delivered which is already something I am praising it for. I will argue though that I would personally consider its characters one of the shows strengths, considering its vast variety of well portrayed characters.

[OdanUrr]

@simfamSP

 

Is there a DVD boxset of LotGH?

[OdanUrr]

If you wanna pay 400 dollars then yes...

 

 

I know it hurts.

 

It hurts a lot.

 

$400!! Are you kidding me?

[Hellion Rex]

Good grief. Dat Esdeath though.