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Posté 15 octobre 2014 - 10:07
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HA xD
Good thing he developed Armin into such a cool character. To me, he's AoT's Samwise Tarly/Gamgee.
Anyway, finished S2.
I did not like the ending. And not it's not because OMG HEI!
It's for... well... I'll let it sink it.
Time for Ergo Proxy.
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Posté 15 octobre 2014 - 10:08
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I think the association is in reverse.
Contractors being completely rational -->Contractors being more emotional.
That's why Amber/Bai start off as cold-blooded killing machines but eventually start developing friendships/bonds with others, similar to how the dolls begin as practically lifeless but start demonstrating feelings/emotions in subtle ways. That's actually what initiates the Heaven's Gate controversy.
Actually the explanation (well it wasn't really an explanation but it was something better than a load of mumbo jumbo) was given later on. Seeing all the sh*t that's revolved around Suo, it's no wonder she's like that.
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Posté 15 octobre 2014 - 10:12
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HA xD
Good thing he developed Armin into such a cool character. To me, he's AoT's Samwise Tarly/Gamgee.
aka the true hero.
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Posté 15 octobre 2014 - 11:41
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So yeah, Darker than Black.
For both Seasons One and Two I can pin-point my exact problem with both of them into one word.
Magic. It can make or break a story.
F*cking magic. And sure, there's techno babble and all that mumbo jumbo, but I'm going to use magic since it's such a broad word it can fit into almost anything that I want to talk about.
So Magic. F*ck.
S1 and S2 are good for different reasons and bad for the same. It's not the Contractors, or Dolls, their respective rules in which their magic follows is fine. Even their evolution is fine, because it does not try to make itself the centre of the narrative and is simply an element to drive the plot along and for its characters to develop by.
That's fine. It's good.
But then you have the setting that's integral to the comprehension of WTF IS GOING ON WITH LASERS?! See where I'm getting at?
What I loved in S1 was how the world was slowly revealed to you. I had no f*cking clue what a Contractor was in episode one, but then by episode 10, I can f*cking tell by just looking at one. It was great.
Then the end of S1 came, and they talked a lot of mumbo jumbo about the Gate (what the hell is the Gate?) Hei went into Shinji then... somehow saw people in his subconscious? Said byebye and Amber went back in time to stop the machine from lasering and aaaahhhhhh
It gets broken. Yes, the rules you set have been so far stretched that nothing makes sense anymore. See, magic with rules is great, and magic without rules is great. But it depends on how you handle that sh*t.
Let's use unbound magic from Tolkein. You know if Gandalf is going to whip some can of whoop-ass it's gonna make sense because nobody has told you "Gandalf can only do this or that."
Then use unbound magic from Harry Potter and you have Rowling bringing the p*ck back to life for some reason.
No! It doesn't work that way! Magic is there for us to go 'awesome' not to 'huh?' Magic is there so that the writers can stretch fiction and take it to different places. It's not there so "hey, let's focus our entire climax on a situation that is barely alluded to."
Yes, S2, I'm talking about you. What the hell was going on with this crap? This is why I hate the Japanese when they use magic for their plot. And no, not you Miura, you're cool.
We have concepts and words thrown at us that we barely understand. The setting hasn't been given enough TIME to ripen. We're all in this damn mystery and it looks like the writers have it all figured out but won't tell us because "magic."
It's the same problem I have with End of Evangelion's ending. It had me going "why is this happening? Why is that happening? What the f*ck is LCR?" And guess what!? Most of the lore and tidbits that we were CRUCIAL to the understanding of the ending is in THE F*CKING GAME!
So, DTB, I ask you this. What the hell is Yin? Is she like a Death God? What the f*ck did she evolve to. And no, don't give me "according to our mathematical herpi derpis she has "insert convoluted prose here because we're trying to sound scientific" into... YAMAZILLA!"
WTF IS A YAMAZILLA?!
Why is THIS happening? What the hell is "The Gate" are you on about those wall thingies we see around the city? So what are they? They protect us from the sh*t outside but why did the sh*t outside happen? What causes for that sh*t to happen? Why is the moon gone?
WTF IS GAMAGILLA2.0?
*sigh*
I can't make myself coherent at all.
To sum it up, DTB's magic sucks harder than the Crucible's, or just as bad.
DTB for me, was a story about Hei and his struggle with his own humanity. It was about Human Weapons made into tools then oppressed by the government when not under their leash. It was a dystopian story that used magic to drive it forward. It was never a magical story with dystopian elements. Even S2 carried it on, and I enjoyed its non-linearity, but in the end, it shifted so much to things that it never even bothered to explain properly in the first place that it all got muddled into a big f*cking puddle of sh*tty magic.
So NONE OF THIS SH*T
"Cos it's Erza" lolololol
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Posté 15 octobre 2014 - 11:45
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The ironic part being that Armin is probably the most useful person in the show. I mean he did sort of figure out who every human titan spy was first...
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Posté 15 octobre 2014 - 11:58
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Yep, he remembered that he was the clever dude and it wasn't just because he can multiply pi or whatever smart people do nowadays.
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Posté 16 octobre 2014 - 12:03
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The ironic part being that Armin is probably the most useful person in the show. I mean he did sort of figure out who every human titan spy was first...
He also planned some very successful operations too.
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Posté 16 octobre 2014 - 12:04
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By the first 'he' I meant the mangaka xD
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Posté 16 octobre 2014 - 12:06
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SIm, just go pllay P3 and oogle at Yukari, might take your mind off DTBs bs magic XD
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Posté 16 octobre 2014 - 12:09
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So NONE OF THIS SH*T
"Cos it's Erza" lolololol
Don't hate on Happy's simplistic wisdom. He's right.
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#23512
Posté 16 octobre 2014 - 12:10
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#23513
Posté 16 octobre 2014 - 12:12
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This seems relevant. According to Isayama Armins a girl lol.
Isayama trolling the fanbase, so much lulz.
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Posté 16 octobre 2014 - 12:20
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Isayama trolling the fanbase, so much lulz.
Chapter 53 makes so much sense now LOL.........id hit that *ahem.
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#23515
Posté 16 octobre 2014 - 12:23
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Really though, he probably confused him and Christa.(even I sometimes confuse the bloody two)
Unless he's just trolling for shits and giggles.
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#23516
Posté 16 octobre 2014 - 12:26
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Maybe, but im sure Isayama knows what hes doing lol. Whats funny is the japanese fanbase are taking this srs. Expect a heap more of Armin fanart/doujins to roll out.
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Posté 16 octobre 2014 - 12:42
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So NONE OF THIS SH*T
"Cos it's Erza" lolololol
That's like Bleach.. Except the explanation would take half a chapter and would be covered up by some pseudo-philosophical nonsense talking about falling rain or something. At least fairy tail is consistently cheesy. It would be worse if it kept trying to act intelligent and then gave explanations like that.
I mean it could be like another show I'm watching where a character will get their hearts ripped out and crushed infront of them in one scene and then the next is 2 of the dumbest characters in fiction talking about how good will prevail over evil and how thing's will just work out "Hey our enemy is feared across the lands, and can kill people with her mind, but we'll still go into the fight without any strategy or powers and win because I have FAITH" 
faith didn't do much good for the guy who got his heart ripped out and crushed did it? Which would win in a fight if you were to throw the two at each other? Faith or a fireball? If the answer to that question changes every few episodes then you got an issue.
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Posté 16 octobre 2014 - 12:56
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This seems relevant. According to Isayama Armins a girl lol.
I didn't even know this was a thing... LOL my head though, ..... What about the guy who mistook him for Krista Lenz/Historia? When he found out he was questioning whether or not he liked boys, and was kind of hysterical? I think the Author has been reading to many slasher fanfics, and seen to many androgynous drawings of his creation Armin... pictures like this surely don't help,
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Posté 16 octobre 2014 - 01:17
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Yeah, that's my one issue with DTB (season one anyway), how mumbo jumbo it is at the end where they are kinda just making **** up as they go along.
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#23520
Posté 16 octobre 2014 - 02:13
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So over the course of the past week and a half. I was...encouraged to watch School Days (Forced by someone who wouldn't shut up about it).
It was terrible, but I kept watching because it was terrible. Now I thought Shinji was bad. I owe Shinji an apology. Makoto is a scumbag.
But it teaches an important lesson. Kids, don't string along 7 girls. or else yo ass gonna get shanked.
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Posté 16 octobre 2014 - 02:27
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Fair enough sim, though I don't think the lack of explanation for all the things is that big of a deal for enjoying the series. Some of it is intentionally mysterious for the setting which I don't really have a problem with, like what the gates are, how they work, or where the moon and the stars went, but the way the plot is resolved in both seasons leaves something to be desired. When the magic in question is integral to the resolution of the plot it ought to be explained better. At least it's easy enough to tell what happened, even if the how or the why are more vague.
About Evangelion, LCL is the blood of an angel that humans can breathe, what more do you need to know???
"This is why I hate the Japanese" OK JoJo...
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Posté 16 octobre 2014 - 02:28
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I was...encouraged to watch School Days (Forced by someone who wouldn't shut up about it).
People like that exist?
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Posté 16 octobre 2014 - 02:41
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Fair enough sim, though I don't think the lack of explanation for all the things is that big of a deal for enjoying the series. Some of it is intentionally mysterious for the setting which I don't really have a problem with, like what the gates are, how they work, or where the moon and the stars went, but the way the plot is resolved in both seasons leaves something to be desired. When the magic in question is integral to the resolution of the plot it ought to be explained better. At least it's easy enough to tell what happened, even if the how or the why are more vague.
About Evangelion, LCL is the blood of an angel that humans can breathe, what more do you need to know???
"This is why I hate the Japanese" OK JoJo...
I think that's why DTB's mysterious plot points never really bothered (but rather intrigued) me, being part of the reason I love it so much. It's something that pretty much every character in the series finds puzzling, from how the Meteor Shard repairs itself inside the Gate to how Havok lost her powers. It makes it more digestible in the sense that the characters are puzzled right along side the audience (imo).
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Posté 16 octobre 2014 - 02:59
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Only seen the first 2 episodes of Darker Than Black, but "the magic" didn't really bother me. There's definitely a level of intrigue to it, and I love the tone of the show itself. Kinda does have a bit of P3 in it.
Most animes I end up either listening to or checking up while doing other things, but the first 2 episodes had my attention from beginning to end.
Most animes I end up either listening to or checking up while doing other things, but the first 2 episodes had my attention from beginning to end.
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