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[Lotion Soronarr]

Or that...

 

 

 

 

There are many millitary leaders who were young back then. Look up Okita Soji or Henry IV... ****, look up Octavian. He was like, 18 when he began doing sh*t. And here I am, 18, and picking my arse for treasure.

 

The medieval ages didn't have a defined definition of 'childhood.' Kids had to grow up a lot faster.

 

Good for me I can remain 12 until I'm 44.

 

As for Gender bending... err... no. Just no. It's not 'unnecessary' it's really just a twist at the Arthurian Legend. It WOULD be unnecessary if she were a badly written character and meant for the sole purpose of fanservice. But she's as un-fanservice as an anime chick can be.

 

I mean, look at her armour.

 

*snip*

 

And contrast.

 

*snip*

 

 

18 >> 15 .

Big difference.

And while there were kings and princes that were very young, you'd notice that building a kingdom and waging wars is not done over night. So even if Arthur was 15 when he started out, by the time Camelot was formed, the knights assembled, etc.. he would be a LOT older. Especially given how long his reign was according to legends and IIRC, according to FSN lore, aren't servants whisked away moments before their death?

 

Either way there was no reason to make Arthur a female. None. Except to have another woman in the harem.

And that's what FSN essentially was underneath the hood initially - a harm visual novel, but one with a decent premise.

 

 

As for armor:

 

 

[Liamv2]

Now I haven't watched the fate series yet so perhaps I can't really comment on it but isn't sabers armor light armor? You know so she can do all the acrobatic moves i've seen in the gifs of her.

[Lotion Soronarr]

It's magic. She can do backflips while carrying 10 tons if she wants.

 

The entire Fate series has some cool moments (Archears death, lancer vs. Saber, etc..), but also has some cringeworthy ones (berserker with the F15 and Gilgamesh with the flying throne.. WTF??? Also also the sexual undertones with Sabers "torture" and "re-filling her magic" in the only sensible way... with some good d***ing!)

[Liamv2]

Well thanks for that colossal spoiler...............

 

Anyways since magic is involved that makes things much more complicated. I have no idea how the universe works yet so can't really comment.

[Chewin]

@Lotion Reuenthal is cool, haven't seen him given enough focus to constitute admiration on my part yet. Though I am sure the show will deliver on that regard.

In regards to Saber, while I don't see her personally to be that young, neither do I see her being particularly old enough in terms of the folklore surrounding Arthur. But since there are so many interpretations and no solid records on King Arthur's deeds and actions, it is hard to know what route the Fate series went with in terms of the myth that surrounds it (possibly even their own interpretation). Thoug when it comes to age in anime, I don't tend to put a lot of emphazis on it since it can vary drastically with how old / young someone is and how they look. If the creators where to suddenly say something like "Saber is 30" then all I would say is "Really? Ok".

Arthur's interpretation as a woman in the Fate universe is most likely a means to have an additional romance interest in the VN. I read in an interview that Saber was originally meant to be a man but they changed it later on (didn't specify why however). I have no issue with it, since she is a well rounded character and looks aesthetically "normal" without falling into the level of fanservice with her outfit.

[Chewin]

Okita was 12 when he began defeating swordsmen teachers at different dojos.
 
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Indeed, throughout history and in many cultures children have been extensively involved in military campaigns and conflicts, even when such practices were against cultural morals. And Saber does look prominently younger in her flashback when she pulls Excalibur from the sword.

But as I said, age in anime is not that consistent. One shouldn't take it too seriously IMHO.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Okita was 12 when he began defeating swordsmen teachers at different dojos.

 

Did you know this guy was also the dude who inspired Sougo?

 

I'll believe that when I see proof. Myths and legends do not interest me.

 

And if a dojo master was beaten by a 12-year old, I'd start questioning his competency.

 

A two year difference isn't that much.

 

Like I said, kids grew up faster, saw more sh*t and weren't as sheltered. Age isn't really an issue if you're talking about anything post mid 1800s where reforms were beginning to start.

 

Later in life, no. Early, yes.

 

The difference in body and mind between a 12 and 14 and 16 and 18 is huge.

 

A 12-years old simply cannot ever match an adult. Period.

 

Are going to condemn Martin now? Dany's 14, Robb's 15/16 and Jon Snow too.

 

Actors sure look 15.... not

 

 

 

As for Harem... err, what about Fate/Zero?

 

Haven't watched all of it yet, can't comment much.

 

 

 

And even if you're right it still doesn't really effect the character.

 

It kinda affects everything when a character is debased to serve as fetish fuel.

[Chewin]

Saber is the great type of fanservice.
 
The type that make your nose bleed without boobage.
 
ETA:
 
Seriously though. The fact that she's a woman or that she looks young should have no impact on the story as long as she's well written. And given the fact that she's a Servant, one of many legendary heroes, it's nothing to shake your head about when she's obviously meant to be unique.

You sure are a silly man.

And yes, completely agree. I think it is easier for the Fate franchise to tackle mythological figures rather than historical ones, I feel. You have an easier time to put forward ones own interpretation of them as characters witout messing to much with it. Of course if one handles certain historical characters great like Iskandar (but I harbor little admiration for Alexander so that might be a reason) then I am fine with it, but it is a delicate subject for me personally.

[Chewin]

 
It kinda affects everything when a character is debased to serve as fetish fuel.

Depends on how it is handled. With Saber I don't see this being the case.

Except if one counts the naked shower scenes in F/SN with her. Oh, and that body rubbing magic ritual thingy.

Otherwise it is handled pretty well. At least there was a some purpose behind them (shocking, I know).

[Lotion Soronarr]

 

Is this from an actual Simpsons episode or is it fan-made?

 

 

 

@sim - still waiting for you to prostrate yourself

 

PS:

Seriously. Gintama needs more Sachan!

 

[Lotion Soronarr]

Well whadayaknow... looks like someone made gintama characters for Soul Calibur:

 

[Lotion Soronarr]

Yeah, that's why I had no problem with Arthur's sex.

 

And it wasn't like the show made it a point to go "WAAAHHHHAAYY? URRR A GUUUIIIRRLL?" Every 5 seconds.

 

Hell, even the show was chilled about it. "Oh, you're a chick... that's cool."

 

 

Her gender isn't the problem.

The problem is that they changed it in the last minute to have more wimin' for the harem. They could have easily used Joan of Arc or some other historical women warrior. But they didn't.

And it would have been fine if they just stopped at that, but the two scenes I mentioned and the entire "harem" vibe hurt the entire show.

 

 

And in case you haven't figured it yet, "anime age" is not something I like when it doesn't make sense. I like when age and appearance of a character make sense.

[Liamv2]

So i'm planning on watching Clannad next after i've finished The irregular at magic high school. Should I got for the dub or sub?

[CrazyRah]

Ah

Spoiler

yes

Spoiler

"age"

Spoiler

 

There are really no spoilers beneth, just saving some scroll wheels 

[CrazyRah]

Heard the dub of Clannad was solid. Watched the sub myself and with the voices now so iconic for the characters I genuinly can't say if the dub is good because it just wont get a fair chance to impress me. Either way it seems you can't go wrong here

[Chewin]

Don't say that!
 
Remember.
 
I'm a boy at heart always.
 
That's what Gintoki recommends.
 

An ideology I can identify with, to be sure.

Yeah, that's why I had no problem with Arthur's sex.
 
And it wasn't like the show made it a point to go "WAAAHHHHAAYY? URRR A GUUUIIIRRLL?" Every 5 seconds.
 
Hell, even the show was chilled about it. "Oh, you're a chick... that's cool."

I am kinda surprised no one goes "Wait, Arthur was a woman?" actually. People tend to be more interested about her sword, to which they all go "Oh sh*t she has the f*cking Excalibur!!"

  

Her gender isn't the problem.
The problem is that they changed it in the last minute to have more wimin' for the harem. They could have easily used Joan of Arc or some other historical women warrior. But they didn't.
And it would have been fine if they just stopped at that, but the two scenes I mentioned and the entire "harem" vibe hurt the entire show.
 
 
And in case you haven't figured it yet, "anime age" is not something I like when it doesn't make sense. I like when age and appearance of a character make sense.

Fair enough.

  

Ah

Spoiler

yes

Spoiler

"age"

Spoiler

 
There are really no spoilers beneth, just saving some scroll wheels 

I seriously want that second .gif to have the caption "How about... No" in it. Would use it on a constant basis.