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[Grovermancer]

I must be the only person left who isn't using the Hotfix!  (and I'm not going to either!)

Modifié par Grovermancer, 24 novembre 2009 - 12:17 .

[Angeljoe]

Grovermancer wrote...


I must be the only person left who isn't using the Hotfix!  (and I'm not going to either!)

Not using the hotfix here, unless its official it doesnt make it to my game.

[FlatCat]

By pulling one unit you're exploiting the AI into bite size chunks and thereby inflating your efficacy.  Not to mention you don't even need to spec archery for that.

Also many of you are forgetting that archery is also a warrior talent.  You are providing a false picture by including the positive experiences with regards to your rogueish skillset .

[Angeljoe]

Here is a pic of my archer, level 20 on normal mode. He only got the "slaying arrow" ability at lvl 20.


I would say there is nothing wrong with archers currently, the guy has been on autofire most of the game with 37% of partydamage ... more than I expected.


http://renegades.hom...e.dk/ranger.jpg

Modifié par Angeljoe, 24 novembre 2009 - 12:26 .

[Dark83]

jynthor wrote...

Bah hide behind your bow fool, Conan will have your head!

If Conan is an NPC, he won't notice Leliana filling him full of arrows until he keels over.

[Dark83]

Grovermancer wrote...


I must be the only person left who isn't using the Hotfix!  (and I'm not going to either!)

I uninstalled it. The hotfix screws up Shale.

[Red-Cell]

archers stink in the game. Only useful for pulling and you can do it better with your tank and a crossbow.

[Grovermancer]

Interestingly, I did "501 max damage" earlier in my current game (when I had far less talents and overall base damage), yet since then, I've not been able to beat that amount.



Units must be more heavily armored or something later in the game.

[FlatCat]

37 damage per shot is pretty awful at level 20.  And you're only doing 37 percent of the party damage with two tanks and in your other thread you said you were only using Wynne as a healbot.  Seriously that pic is proof positive that a fix is needed and heck just a whole redesign of the talents and weapon altogether.

[Grovermancer]

FlatCat wrote...

37 damage per shot is pretty awful at level 20.  And you're only doing 37 percent of the party damage with two tanks and in your other thread you said you were only using Wynne as a healbot.  Seriously that pic is proof positive that a fix is needed and heck just a whole redesign of the talents and weapon altogether.

I agree some tweaks need done.  I think everyone does.

I'm getting around 50 damge and 120 Def at lvl 21...

It reminds me alot of the Arcane Archer build of NWN.

You don't do a lot of damage per hit, but with the firing range, you get enough hits in to kill things before they can reach you.  And your defense means you rarely get hit.

I'd like to be able to play a powerful Legolas Robin Hood, but BW doesn't seem to like to make their archer classes like that.

[Grovermancer]

BTW, Archers are kind of screwed when it comes to bows; SPOILERS won't allow me to say it in detail, but 2 of the best bows in the game you either can't use, OR you can only get with certain alignment behaviors.



Marjolaine's Bow and Far Song



It's BS!

[Abstrct3]

My main is an archer. It seems he is only doing 12% of the group damage. I did however not have rapid fire on for the most part. I also don't control him I just use morrigan.

[Abstrct3]

My main is a level 12 archer. He is doing 12% of the group damage without rapid fire on

[F-C]

FlatCat wrote...

By pulling one unit you're exploiting the AI

this has to be one of the most stupid things ive read all day.

pulling mobs is exploiting!

/facepalm

[FlatCat]

Grovermancer wrote...


I agree some tweaks need done.  I think everyone does.

I'm getting around 50 damge and 120 Def at lvl 21...

It reminds me alot of the Arcane Archer build of NWN.

You don't do a lot of damage per hit, but with the firing range, you get enough hits in to kill things before they can reach you.  And your defense means you rarely get hit.

I'd like to be able to play a powerful Legolas Robin Hood, but BW doesn't seem to like to make their archer classes like that.

But a lot of that is as you said a product of the AI being helpless.  Jagged Alliance 2 AI was smart enough not run up to your face while being shot at constantly and camp you out and that game is like what? 10 years old?

A good DW can do all of that too mostly as well with a bow.  Rapid shot actually "goes bad" because it only decrease aim time not draw an arrow time.  Once I got a bow with rapid aim I realized there was no difference with having rapid shot on or off anymore.  So a DW can just beeline for those rapid aim bows and autoattack wise they are just as set as an archer and have the benefit of lawnmowing things down with DW buffs.

Edit:  How is pulling not exploiting?  How does it make sense that their buddies see their friend get shot with an arrow and see him run towards the people shooting at him without doing anything?  You're exploiting the fact that AI is dumb as a box of rocks.

Modifié par FlatCat, 24 novembre 2009 - 01:10 .

[Dark83]

FlatCat wrote...

 Rapid shot actually "goes bad" because it only decrease aim time not draw an arrow time.  Once I got a bow with rapid aim I realized there was no difference with having rapid shot on or off anymore.

What do you mean? Do you not fire three times as many arrows in the same period of time (at 50 Dex)?

I'll have to test this out with Leliana.

[Cadarin]

FlatCat wrote...
Edit:  How is pulling not exploiting?  How does it make sense that their buddies see their friend get shot with an arrow and see him run towards the people shooting at him without doing anything?  You're exploiting the fact that AI is dumb as a box of rocks.

It's easy to pull without exploiting the AI.  Just shoot the guy in the back of the room and everyone will attack.  Or do you also think it's cheating to make them come to you?  If you just rush into every room and let yourself get surrounded and outnumbered, then that makes you as dumb as the AI  you're making fun of.  

[marshalleck]

Dark83 wrote...

Grovermancer wrote...


I must be the only person left who isn't using the Hotfix!  (and I'm not going to either!)

I uninstalled it. The hotfix screws up Shale.

How so?  Genuinely curious. I've never used Shale without the hotfix.

Modifié par marshalleck, 24 novembre 2009 - 02:04 .

[Dark83]

marshalleck wrote...

How so?  Genuinely curious. I've never used Shale without the hotfix.

Well, the most obvious thing is that all the crystals lose their armor/weapon properties. They don't have attack/damage/armor values anymore. That's what I noticed.

I asked about it on the boards, and someone else (a few someones, actually) pointed out that Shale's base stats also gets screwed up due to Shale's initial stats generating with equipment. So uninstalling it after you have Shale will fix the crystals, but won't fix the base armor/attack/damage values.

[marshalleck]

Huh. So the crystals are completely devoid of any stats? Or just attack/damage/armor?



My Shale's crystals have stats, but now that I think about it, I'll have to look at them specifically. It might explain why I've never thought Shale is as awesome a tank as everyone else seems to think.

[Dark83]

The only have green "enchanted gear-type" stats.



It doesn't have the basic "10.50 armor" type stats.



It'd be like Dalish Armor where you only get +1 Dex, but no "1.5 armor, 1% fatigue" or whatever.

[senjukannon]

Archers are great at taking out mages from a far distance.

[Dark83]

Mana Clash is best at taking out groups of magi.

[Sakiradesu]

My damage is evenly spread between Alistair, Morrigan, Leliana, and my mage. It might be because the entire game, I have Telekinetic Weapons on and emphasize CC a lot.



It's weird, because I AoE entire rooms with just my mage and Morrigan. So Leliana caught up with purely auto-attack and Death Hex with Rapid Shot on. The only other skill I use with her is Scatter Shot.



At 20, she was hitting for 57-60 with Rapid Fire. I don't know if that's good or not. It was enough to get me through Hard difficulty with no prior experience, so it's an option if you want to be an archer!

[Jcnowak]

How do you get the hotfix for ps3 or xbox users ??