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[HiroVoid]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

mrsph wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
Well, one is a terrorist and a compulsive liar.

Does this look like a terroist and compulsive liar to you?

*snip*

Yes, it does.

Dang.  You couldn't type a humorous response.   y u so serious?

[Icinix]

Izhalezan wrote...

mrsph wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
Well, one is a terrorist and a compulsive liar.

Does this look like a terroist and compulsive liar to you?

(creepy TIM pic)

Looks like he's about to tickle a kitty kat.

..with a shotgun.

[sevach]

Adressing the OP, yes, i think choosing Cerberus would've make a great renegade path, no matter whether you do it because you want to subjugate the other species or because you think looking at the cold hard facts teaming up with TIM (and his resources) is the safer/only way to defeat the Reapers.

And then you could have the "galatic coalition" to stop the Reapers path, for people who buy into that crap.

[AgitatedLemon]

TheCreeper wrote...

mrsph wrote...

You can't love your children with cold metal geth arms.

Just because they are inorganic doesn't mean they are any less alive then a Turian or an Asari.

It doesn't mean they're cold either.

Example, have you ever felt a laptop thats been left on for a few hours?

[AlexXIV]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

To be fair, the quarians didn't realise how far the geth had advanced (to hear Tali tell it). They began destroying the platforms in the hope it would prevent all the geth from becoming sapient. Then the geth retaliated. Then the quarians got their collective arse kicked.

Clearly, it's the geth's fault for not wanting to all die.

Thing is we have seen what the Quarians are like. Tali's father. Tali. The admiral who wants the war with the Geth. They are all rather reactionary, bending laws, twisting truths. Tbh my paragon choice would have been to tell the Quarian Council the truth about Tali's father but well, I didn't feel like disappointing her after all she want through. I still consider it a mistake, even if out of friendship. They are a bit ... difficult. Not more than humans, mind you. But anyway, when they discovered the Geth gaining something like a conscience they acted the worst way possible. Aggressive. And they got what they deserved. Back then. Now though, after all the hardship the Quarians went through, I think they deserve a homeworld and a new chance.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 22 janvier 2012 - 01:18 .

[AgitatedLemon]

HiroVoid wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

mrsph wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
Well, one is a terrorist and a compulsive liar.

Does this look like a terroist and compulsive liar to you?

*snip*

Yes, it does.

Dang.  You couldn't type a humorous response.   y u so serious?

Look at my avatar.

"I don't have patience for incompetence"

If you want a humorous (Albeit dark) response, then you can add rapist to the list of TIM's traits, going off that face.

[Epsilon330]

...Just a bystander's POV.
How in Palaven did this go from a (misguided) argument concerning Cerberus, to an existential debate regarding the Morning War?!

[AgitatedLemon]

AlexXIV wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

To be fair, the quarians didn't realise how far the geth had advanced (to hear Tali tell it). They began destroying the platforms in the hope it would prevent all the geth from becoming sapient. Then the geth retaliated. Then the quarians got their collective arse kicked.

Clearly, it's the geth's fault for not wanting to all die.

Thing is we have seen what the Quarians are like. Tali's father. Tali. The admiral who wants the war with the Geth. They are all rather reactionary, bending laws, twisting truths. Tbh my paragon choice would have been to tell the Geth Council the truth about Tali's father but well, I didn't feel like disappointing her after all she want through. I still consider it a mistake, even if out of friendship. They are a bit ... difficult. Not more than humans, mind you. But anyway, when they discovered the Geth gaining something like a conscience they acted the worst way possible. Aggressive. And they got what they deserved. Back then. Now though, after all the hardship the Quarians went through, I think they deserve a homeworld and a new chance.

Like I suggested earlier, the quarians could have just built a space station for the geth to habitate, and all of the conflict could have been avoided.

[HiroVoid]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

mrsph wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
Well, one is a terrorist and a compulsive liar.

Does this look like a terroist and compulsive liar to you?

*snip*

Yes, it does.

Dang.  You couldn't type a humorous response.   y u so serious?

Look at my avatar.

"I don't have patience for incompetence"

If you want a humorous (Albeit dark) response, then you can add rapist to the list of TIM's traits, going off that face.

Well, yeah.  That does look like the infamous ShepFace that got popular.   Do they have ones like that of other characters?

[didymos1120]

TIM isn't a "compulsive liar". He absolutely lies, yes, but not because of some pathology that can't be controlled. It's a very over- and misused term.

[AlexXIV]

Epsilon330 wrote...

...Just a bystander's POV.
How in Palaven did this go from a (misguided) argument concerning Cerberus, to an existential debate regarding the Morning War?!

We branched out.

[AgitatedLemon]

Epsilon330 wrote...

...Just a bystander's POV.
How in Palaven did this go from a (misguided) argument concerning Cerberus, to an existential debate regarding the Morning War?!

Something about Legion being Cerberus property.

[HiroVoid]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

To be fair, the quarians didn't realise how far the geth had advanced (to hear Tali tell it). They began destroying the platforms in the hope it would prevent all the geth from becoming sapient. Then the geth retaliated. Then the quarians got their collective arse kicked.

Clearly, it's the geth's fault for not wanting to all die.

Thing is we have seen what the Quarians are like. Tali's father. Tali. The admiral who wants the war with the Geth. They are all rather reactionary, bending laws, twisting truths. Tbh my paragon choice would have been to tell the Geth Council the truth about Tali's father but well, I didn't feel like disappointing her after all she want through. I still consider it a mistake, even if out of friendship. They are a bit ... difficult. Not more than humans, mind you. But anyway, when they discovered the Geth gaining something like a conscience they acted the worst way possible. Aggressive. And they got what they deserved. Back then. Now though, after all the hardship the Quarians went through, I think they deserve a homeworld and a new chance.

Like I suggested earlier, the quarians could have just built a space station for the geth to habitate, and all of the conflict could have been avoided.

That actually wouldn't have avoided anything.  The council certainly would have taken action at that point due to the citadel laws.  In this point, it would be the council's faulth though.

[AgitatedLemon]

HiroVoid wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

mrsph wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
Well, one is a terrorist and a compulsive liar.

Does this look like a terroist and compulsive liar to you?

*snip*

Yes, it does.

Dang.  You couldn't type a humorous response.   y u so serious?

Look at my avatar.

"I don't have patience for incompetence"

If you want a humorous (Albeit dark) response, then you can add rapist to the list of TIM's traits, going off that face.

Well, yeah.  That does look like the infamous ShepFace that got popular.   Do they have ones like that of other characters?

I'm not sure, but I think you can mod it in the PC version.

[Epsilon330]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Epsilon330 wrote...

...Just a bystander's POV.
How in Palaven did this go from a (misguided) argument concerning Cerberus, to an existential debate regarding the Morning War?!

Something about Legion being Cerberus property.

Indeed.
And I thought SPUF had derailment problems...

Modifié par Epsilon330, 22 janvier 2012 - 01:21 .

[AgitatedLemon]

HiroVoid wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

To be fair, the quarians didn't realise how far the geth had advanced (to hear Tali tell it). They began destroying the platforms in the hope it would prevent all the geth from becoming sapient. Then the geth retaliated. Then the quarians got their collective arse kicked.

Clearly, it's the geth's fault for not wanting to all die.

Thing is we have seen what the Quarians are like. Tali's father. Tali. The admiral who wants the war with the Geth. They are all rather reactionary, bending laws, twisting truths. Tbh my paragon choice would have been to tell the Geth Council the truth about Tali's father but well, I didn't feel like disappointing her after all she want through. I still consider it a mistake, even if out of friendship. They are a bit ... difficult. Not more than humans, mind you. But anyway, when they discovered the Geth gaining something like a conscience they acted the worst way possible. Aggressive. And they got what they deserved. Back then. Now though, after all the hardship the Quarians went through, I think they deserve a homeworld and a new chance.

Like I suggested earlier, the quarians could have just built a space station for the geth to habitate, and all of the conflict could have been avoided.

That actually wouldn't have avoided anything.  The council certainly would have taken action at that point due to the citadel laws.  In this point, it would be the council's faulth though.

I meant more or less the qurians wouldn't be slowly dying out.

The council has already shown repeated incompetence, I wouldn't put it past them.

[AlexXIV]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

To be fair, the quarians didn't realise how far the geth had advanced (to hear Tali tell it). They began destroying the platforms in the hope it would prevent all the geth from becoming sapient. Then the geth retaliated. Then the quarians got their collective arse kicked.

Clearly, it's the geth's fault for not wanting to all die.

Thing is we have seen what the Quarians are like. Tali's father. Tali. The admiral who wants the war with the Geth. They are all rather reactionary, bending laws, twisting truths. Tbh my paragon choice would have been to tell the Quarian Council the truth about Tali's father but well, I didn't feel like disappointing her after all she want through. I still consider it a mistake, even if out of friendship. They are a bit ... difficult. Not more than humans, mind you. But anyway, when they discovered the Geth gaining something like a conscience they acted the worst way possible. Aggressive. And they got what they deserved. Back then. Now though, after all the hardship the Quarians went through, I think they deserve a homeworld and a new chance.

Like I suggested earlier, the quarians could have just built a space station for the geth to habitate, and all of the conflict could have been avoided.

Yeah it is late so I wrote Geth when I meant Quarian a couple of times, corrected the original post. But you get what I meant.

[What a Succulent Ass]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
I wasn't.

Y u no sarcasm?

Unless, you ARE saying it's the geth's fault, then yes, I contest that.

Dammit, BSN is ruining my sarcasm bone.

And nah. I was just saying the quarians weren't trying to kill off the geth in a fit of supremacy, but because of the moral ramifications of enslaving another sapient species. Destroy (what they thought were) the non-sapient platforms, prevent the issue of slavery. Still wrong, but it isn't like they were doing it for the lulz.

[didymos1120]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I'm not sure, but I think you can mod it in the PC version.

It is.  People have modded pretty much everyone into that scene:

[Ryzaki]

*dies inside from pic of Anderson rape face*

I'm scared.

[AgitatedLemon]

Epsilon330 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Epsilon330 wrote...

...Just a bystander's POV.
How in Palaven did this go from a (misguided) argument concerning Cerberus, to an existential debate regarding the Morning War?!

Something about Legion being Cerberus property.

Indeed.
And I thought SPUF had derailment problems...

I've seen balance discussions in the TF2 boards turn into religious debates.

True story.

[TheCreeper]

Epsilon330 wrote...

...Just a bystander's POV.
How in Palaven did this go from a (misguided) argument concerning Cerberus, to an existential debate regarding the Morning War?!

Given time almost every topic will eventually turn into a debate on the morning war.

[BlueMagitek]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

@Magitek

1. Good job twisting my words. You'd make for a good republican. Illegal or not, they exist, and they're sentient. They could have just built a space station for the geth to populate, but instead they chose to try and wipe them out.

2. See #1. To quote Optimus Prime: "Choice is right to all sentient beings", or something like that. Wait, I forgot, he's just a cold, unfeeling machine.

3. How long it's been going on has literally nothing to do with what sub-faction is doing it. I'm not sure if you ignored the cold, unfeeling machine's dialogue, but he explains why the "real" geth ignore the heretics.

You're going to have to point that out to me, and thank you, but I'm too much of a leftist to be a Republican; the Democrats are too spineless for the most part, which is a pity, as they do have some good ideas.  Once again, you're ignoring that according to the Council, who get off on bombing Quarian worlds, AI = Illegal & must be destroyed (with some controlled exceptions, from my understanding of the lore).  If the Quarians don't want to face the consequences, they must destroy the Geth.

He is a cold machine who happens to be a much better AI than any number of Geth.  And, in his universe, I'm sure that's a perfect sentiment.  But not so much in the ME-verse, where choice is not the right of all sentient beings; sometimes they don't get a choice in what they do, or the "choice" is between a few options that are so horrible that even the best decision is bittersweet at best.

The Geth have been killing anyone who go into their territory for hundreds of years.  This either means that the Geth don't care about any organic life who violate a rule that they refuse to tell organics about (what with the complete and total isolation thing they have going on) or that the Geth split almost at the beginning, and one half of the Geth hates organic life while the other half doesn't care about organic life enough to give them an official warning.

Ryzaki wrote...

And how pray tell does that lead to Legion
betraying Shepard? And to whom exactly? Legion has no reason to betray
Shepard. None. They're working together to defeat the Reapers and
Collectors. Legion doesn't want to control the Reapers or secure geth
dominance and he flat out says to Shepard the geth want to be left alone
and if organics interfere with that there'll be problems. Again if he's
trying to manipulate Shepard why say this?  Why admit to the exeriments
of human reaction? Why not pretend he has "feelings" with the N7 armor
being strapped to his chest?

Saren was indoctrinated full stop. Of *course* he was working for them.

...That
makes Zero sense. She's trying to take down the SB. She sure in hell
isn't working for him. Childish or not her working for the SB IS A FLAT
OUT LIE.

Ah yes, I knew of another who had no
reason to betray Shepard until the Reaper threat was extinguished, or
close to failing.  They were working together to defeat the Reapers and
Collectors; this friend literally performing a miracle and giving more
support than any ally Shepard had before; sure, he had ulterior motives,
but compared to the extinguish of all sentient life now and forever on,
who would blame you for taking a lower path?  Alas, this friend has
fallen to the pen.  Legion does, however, want to build what amounts to a
Geth Reaper; Shepard himself says so and Legion doesn't exactly deny
it, though you must pardon me, I haven't replayed ME 2
for some time and I cannot give you the exact dialog.  Those actions
you mentioned all endear Shepard to Legion, you see.  After all, how
much human fiction exists of AI discovering love?  It's enough of an occurance for any AI to notice and, if it desired to, fake in order to maniuplate a human.  Very clever.

From the very beginning he was fully indoctrinated?

...I didn't say she was working with the SB, where on earth did you get that from?

AlexXIV wrote...

This doesn't explain how it is the Geth's
fault. They did what everyone would have done. Defend themselves.
Either it's the Quarians fault because they are their machines or the
Council's because their laws discriminate non-organic life. Or
intelligence. Or whatever.

Take what at face value? What TIM says
or what Legion says? Well one is a human and one is a machine. As far
as I know one of them tend to lie alot and the other don't. I wouldn't
say I take everything at face value no matter who talks to me. Could be
Anderson or Hackett and I still consider the option that they could not
be fully honest.

Oh no, I agree.  The Geth were right ot defend themselves.  But
that doesn't make it right to almost commit genocide upon the Quarians,
unless you want to argue that the species almost needed to be
completely killed off for the Geth to survive.  The correct decision
isn't always the bloodless one, and what the Geth did was very bloody
indeed.

The best bet is to take neither at face value and simply use them as much as you can to achieve your goals.  And I wouldn't trust that sentiment; machines are capable of lying as much as humans, especially a machine that evolved into an AI mostly
on its own (or, as another poster suggested, due to the Quarian's
accidents).  And you're quite right not to fully trust either of the
two; Hackett is quite the renegade.

[HiroVoid]

mrsph wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Well, yeah.  That does look like the infamous ShepFace that got popular.   Do they have ones like that of other characters?

http://social.biowar...index/7250092/1

Yep.  That was good for 5 minutes of solid laughter.  Thank you.