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[didymos1120]

Ryzaki wrote...

...Uh no no she wasn't at all. The Shadow Broker was SPYING on her. And yes I did do her mission. TIM's just an idiot. He should've known damn well Liara wasn't working with the Shadow Broker since you know...he was aware that she and the SB were fighting over Shep's body! (not face to face of course). He's either a liar or a moron.

He should have been aware: he's the one who asked for her help getting it back.  He even met with her personally.  Like, "in the same room" personally, not "talks to you via hologram" personally.

[Ryzaki]

didymos1120 wrote...
He should have been aware: he's the one who asked for her help getting it back.  He even met with her personally.  Like, "in the same room" personally, not "talks to you via hologram" personally.

...that's...ridculous. *sighs* Jeez why on Earth would he think Liara and the SB became buddy buddy after that?

[AlexXIV]

Ryzaki wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...
He should have been aware: he's the one who asked for her help getting it back.  He even met with her personally.  Like, "in the same room" personally, not "talks to you via hologram" personally.

...that's...ridculous. *sighs* Jeez why on Earth would he think Liara and the SB became buddy buddy after that?

Nah Liara gave the body to Cerberus. The SB wanted to give it to the Collectors. There was no way Liara was working for the SB and TIM knew that.

[Ryzaki]

jreezy wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...
He should have been aware: he's the one who asked for her help getting it back.  He even met with her personally.  Like, "in the same room" personally, not "talks to you via hologram" personally.

...that's...ridculous. *sighs* Jeez why on Earth would he think Liara and the SB became buddy buddy after that?

Like you said, he's either a liar or a moron.

It's just a lie for the sake of lying which makes it worse =/ It's not like Shep wouldn't find out the truth the second he talked to Liara.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 janvier 2012 - 03:48 .

[BlueMagitek]

Ryzaki wrote...

And what makes you think that anyone who entered said territory was peaceful? 

Heretics attacked Eden Prime and frankly the fact that they attacked out of nowhere IS suspicious as hell and would make me think *something* had to change/set them off. The heretics make sense for my Shep. Maybe they don't for yours but it makes sense to mine. And this is going in circles. You think it's suspicious, I think it makes sense and until Legion gives me a reason to disbelieve him I'll believe him.

...I have actually. Cute though.

You're really trying to say that TIM knew Liara's assistant was a SB operative but didn't know Liara was hunting down the SB? You're really going with that arguement? <_<

@Dean: Like I said. TIM has no reason to be saying Liara's working with the SB unless he's a liar or a woefully misinformed moron who doesn't bother thinking things through.

And frankly I'm done on this subject. Too much agitation on something silly.

We do find a ship full of husks that went into the Perseus Veil (implied to be under the effect of a Reaper object).  But you think after 300 years, not a single diplomat or adventurer or scavenger went through the Veil to understand the Geth or what happened to the Quarian worlds?  Assuming everyone was hostile is as foolish as assuming everyone was peaceful.  We do know that all discovered invaders are killed.

Well then you should know that mercy is only given when you want something from someone or that the person simply isn't worth killing.  We do know that Legion wants something from Shepard.

Hey, I'm just saying what he said wasn't entirely false; Liara was working with the Shadow Broker (to take down the Shadow Broker, but that's really a moot point).  :innocent:

[didymos1120]

Ryzaki wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...
He should have been aware: he's the one who asked for her help getting it back.  He even met with her personally.  Like, "in the same room" personally, not "talks to you via hologram" personally.

...that's...ridculous. *sighs* Jeez why on Earth would he think Liara and the SB became buddy buddy after that?

He didn't.  He was just feeding you a line so you'd go along with his plan instead of running off to get your old crew.  He also never said he believed it:

"She's on Illium. My sources say that she's working for the Shadow Broker. If so, she can't be trusted."

Given how many sources the guy has, there probably were a few who were saying that.

Modifié par didymos1120, 22 janvier 2012 - 03:51 .

[Ryzaki]

BlueMagitek wrote...
We do find a ship full of husks that went into the Perseus Veil (implied to be under the effect of a Reaper object).  But you think after 300 years, not a single diplomat or adventurer or scavenger went through the Veil to understand the Geth or what happened to the Quarian worlds?  Assuming everyone was hostile is as foolish as assuming everyone was peaceful.  We do know that all discovered invaders are killed.

Well then you should know that mercy is only given when you want something from someone or that the person simply isn't worth killing.  We do know that Legion wants something from Shepard.

Hey, I'm just saying what he said wasn't entirely false; Liara was working with the Shadow Broker (to take down the Shadow Broker, but that's really a moot point).  :innocent:

LIke I said I'm done with the first bit of the arguement until ME3 where I have more information.

Never said he didn't. I just argued his likehood of betraying Shepard compared to TIM.

<_< Yeah he lied. 

didymos1120 wrote...
He didn't.  He was just feeding you a line so you'd go along with his plan instead of running off to get your old crew.  He also never said he believed it:

"She's on Illium. My sources say that she's working for the Shadow Broker. If so, she can't be trusted."

Now that's rich. What sources were those? And that way of saying something without saying it is rich. Frankly though I'd still consider it a lie. Especially since he had a damn good reason to doubt the validity of those sources.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 janvier 2012 - 03:54 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Not, mind you, that Shepard ever asks why her working for the Shadow Broker is such a bad thing.

[AlexXIV]

didymos1120 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...
He should have been aware: he's the one who asked for her help getting it back.  He even met with her personally.  Like, "in the same room" personally, not "talks to you via hologram" personally.

...that's...ridculous. *sighs* Jeez why on Earth would he think Liara and the SB became buddy buddy after that?

He didn't.  He was just feeding you a line so you'd go along with his plan instead of running off to get your old crew.  He also never said he believed it:

"She's on Illium. My sources say that she's working for the Shadow Broker. If so, she can't be trusted."

Given how many sources the guy has, there probably were a few who were saying that.

Well that's just semantics you know. I'd consider it a lie and so does my Shepard.

[BlueMagitek]

Ryzaki wrote...

LIke I said I'm done with the first bit of the arguement until ME3 where I have more information.

Never said he didn't. I just argued his likehood of betraying Shepard compared to TIM.

<_< Yeah he lied.

Well by then you will likely have been proven right and there is a distinction between True Geth & Heretic Geth, so that's really no fun at all for me!

Well, as you should know, every human so far to deal with a Geth ends up dead and mostly huskified, so there's a trend that Legion has to keep to.

Well, it wasn't so much a lie as much as it was misinformation.  After all, if you heard your friend is in trouble, would you not rush to their aid?  You have Collectors to worry about.

[didymos1120]

AlexXIV wrote...

Well that's just semantics you know. I'd consider it a lie and so does my Shepard.

Did I say it wasn't deceptive? No.  I just find the fact that it was likely literally true while still being misleading interesting.

[Ryzaki]

BlueMagitek wrote...
Well by then you will likely have been proven right and there is a distinction between True Geth & Heretic Geth, so that's really no fun at all for me!

Well, as you should know, every human so far to deal with a Geth ends up dead and mostly huskified, so there's a trend that Legion has to keep to.

Well, it wasn't so much a lie as much as it was misinformation.  After all, if you heard your friend is in trouble, would you not rush to their aid?  You have Collectors to worry about.

Which is totally the point.

We'll see in ME3 who ends up huskified. (which will be pretty much everyone but the geth come to think of it. )

It's a lie. Not to mention Shep ends up rushing to her aid anyway so it's a worthless lie.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 janvier 2012 - 03:57 .

[AlexXIV]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

LIke I said I'm done with the first bit of the arguement until ME3 where I have more information.

Never said he didn't. I just argued his likehood of betraying Shepard compared to TIM.

<_< Yeah he lied.

Well, it wasn't so much a lie as much as it was misinformation. 

Unless you consider misinformation the definition of a lie.

[BlueMagitek]

Ryzaki wrote...
Which is totally the point.

We'll see in ME3 who ends up huskified. (which will be pretty much everyone but the geth come to think of it. )

It's a lie.

Going around, ruining my fun is the point?  You're so mean.

Possibly Garrus.  Zombie Huskified Garrus.  "Shepard, Turians don't like the cold, Shepard. :alien:"

See Didy's post, mostly for being awesome. 

[didymos1120]

It's not "misinformation". That's bad info that people spread without intent to deceive. The term you're looking for is "disinformation".

Modifié par didymos1120, 22 janvier 2012 - 03:59 .

[AlexXIV]

didymos1120 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Well that's just semantics you know. I'd consider it a lie and so does my Shepard.

Did I say it wasn't deceptive? No.  I just find the fact that it was likely literally true while still being misleading interesting.

It is rather childish to be honest. Do you really believe that if you tricked me into believing something that is not true that I would react any different than if you lied me straight into the face? It may work in a soap opera mind you but I think it is the intention that counts, not how it is executed. In this case anyway.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 22 janvier 2012 - 04:00 .

[Dean_the_Young]

AlexXIV wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...
He should have been aware: he's the one who asked for her help getting it back.  He even met with her personally.  Like, "in the same room" personally, not "talks to you via hologram" personally.

...that's...ridculous. *sighs* Jeez why on Earth would he think Liara and the SB became buddy buddy after that?

He didn't.  He was just feeding you a line so you'd go along with his plan instead of running off to get your old crew.  He also never said he believed it:

"She's on Illium. My sources say that she's working for the Shadow Broker. If so, she can't be trusted."

Given how many sources the guy has, there probably were a few who were saying that.

Well that's just semantics you know. I'd consider it a lie and so does my Shepard.

Then reconsider what a lie is. It's something that isn't true.

The truth isn't clarity by default. To be deceptive isn't a lie, just as to lie isn't necessarily to deceive.

[Aimi]

AlexXIV wrote...

Unless you consider misinformation the definition of a lie.

Like didymos said, he almost certainly did have at least one or two sources who told him Liara was working for the Shadow Broker (since Nyxeris was piggybacking on her take). He didn't say whether he thought it was true, just stated that fact and drew an inference from it. Not a lie, but absolutely misleading.

[Ryzaki]

BlueMagitek wrote...
Going around, ruining my fun is the point?  You're so mean.

Possibly Garrus.  Zombie Huskified Garrus.  "Shepard, Turians don't like the cold, Shepard. :alien:"

See Didy's post, mostly for being awesome. 

Yup.

Never! *fans Garrus from the Reapers*

didymos1120 wrote...

It's not "misinformation". That's
bad info that people spread without intent to deceive. The term you're
looking for is "disinformation".

Yup.

I'd consider it a lie.

He obviously used the "his sources." bit as bait surely if he's bringing it up those sources must be credible right and he has no reason not to believe it surly? It's deceptive and I'd consider it a lie.

Something doesn't have to be blatant to be a lie to me.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 janvier 2012 - 04:07 .

[Dean_the_Young]

AlexXIV wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Well that's just semantics you know. I'd consider it a lie and so does my Shepard.

Did I say it wasn't deceptive? No.  I just find the fact that it was likely literally true while still being misleading interesting.

It is rather childish to be honest. Do you really believe that if you tricked me into believing something that is not true that I would react any different than if you lied me straight into the face?

Of course you would react differently. You're a normal person.

It may work in a soap opera mind you but I think it is the intention that counts, not how it is executed. In this case anyway.

In this case, it's utterly irrelevant: the person who decides not to check after Liara despite full ability to go anywhere in the galaxy and free reign of the operation is Shepard.

[AlexXIV]

didymos1120 wrote...

It's not "misinformation". That's bad info that people spread without intent to deceive. The term you're looking for is "disinformation".

Well he knew the truth and that it was imporant to Shepard. It doesn't matter anyway because I think it is mostly bad writing. Because Shep and Liara are in a relationship anyway, so unless the job is really imporant Shep would have visited Liara first anyway. So the whole disinformation thing was useless.

[Dean_the_Young]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Well, as TIM did literally lie about the Collector Ship, I don't see why the distinction would matter in this instance. TIM is still known to lie either way.

Is that in dispute?