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[LPPrince]

No, WE were working with evil. Evil being Cerberus.

[didymos1120]

Nohvarr wrote...

Let's take a look at TIM's record. While under his control cerberus has been

planting Dragon's Teeth onto out-of-the-way colony worlds to observe the effects. They were sending out Rachnai into areas garrisoned with Alliance military personnel just to observe how the Rachnai fight. They planted fake distress beacons in the middle of Thresher nests just to gather data on them, at the expense of two entire companies of soldiers. They assassinated Admiral Kohaku and threw his body into a pen filled with husks just for the hell of it. They injected the acid venom of a Maw into a marine's blood "to see what would happen."

Then of course there is Jack and all the children that died to create her.

To be fair they toned down the rampent evil in ME 2 but that was likely for the commanders benefit. Now that the Collector crisis has passed, it's back to business as usual.

Um, the rachni escaped. They weren't supposed to be sent anywhere. Also, Kahoku's body can be in with husks, creepers, or rachni.  It depends on the order you clear those bases.  And we have no idea why they put him in behind those barriers.  It may have been "just for the hell of it", but that's just an assumption.  We also don't know what they were up to with the thresher maw experiments.  Granted, I can't think of what use doing that would be, but I also don't assume that that means there wasn't any. And re: Akuze, it was 50 marines.  That's not even one company much less two. Not that it makes it better, but incorrect is incorrect.

[MAZ77]

LTiberious wrote...

How does BW explain the fact that Cerberus is "evil" in ME3, and Why you couldnt find that out in ME2?

Because they manipulated you! Yeeeessss. For several billion credits they manipulated shep to save human lives (the bastards).

SPELL: INDOCTRINATION


Cerberus apparently is NOT its usual self in ME 3, so any discussion about the true nature of Cerberus is useless.

[Nohvarr]

Shepard is working with evil in Mass Effect 2.

Xenophobia isnt "evil".

Tell that to all the people that called Ashley Williams 'Space Hitler'

Modifié par Nohvarr, 22 janvier 2012 - 11:56 .

[LPPrince]

50 marines on Akuze-

49 KIA, 48 if playing as a Sole Survivor.

And that pretty much makes them evil right there in my book.

Course, its up to opinion. One might find them the paragons of virtue for doing what they did. Don't know why someone would think that, but I bet someone's out there with that opinion.

[LPPrince]

Nohvarr wrote...

Tell that to all the people that called Ashley Williams 'Space Hitler'

Heh, Ash's original writer even confirmed she's not inherently racist, she just didn't think we needed to put all our trust into the other races.

That and she hated actual racists like some members of Terra Firma and Cerberus.

Yet still, she's the bad one. /doesn'tmakesensetome

Modifié par LPPrince, 22 janvier 2012 - 11:59 .

[_FLANDERS]

Cerberus is not the good guy in ME1 and ME2, Only thinking of them self, how they can do for them selfs period.

[Bad King]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Bad King wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Well there is a chance that in ME2 he was just trying to lead Shep on. I can understand why Cerberus supporters don't like it, but fact is, if he is as smart as people say then he probably knows when to play nice to get what he wants.

The problem with this idea is that his plans for curing the genophage and supporting peace between the quarians and geth are in his personal logs- they are essentially behind Shepard's back. Only we (the player) get to see them.

ROFL, you believed that crap?

If TIM wants human dominance through the galaxy, which species poses a larger threat to that than the krogan growing at an unchecked rate?

That was on the same page as TIM's "support" for you activating the geth. "It's not the decision *I* would have made.... but you're in charge." Or Grunt: "That was pretty brash and reckless of you... but you're in charge.

Obviously his post-mission report isn't going to be "Dumb decision by Shepard, Krogan are too dangerous. What an idiot."

He expresses his disagreement with Shepard if you destroy the genophage cure notes. And I'm not sure why you're dismissing TIM's personal logs with "ROFL LOLOLOL BS", you have not provided any justification for stating that. The krogan growing at an unchecked rate would be a useful tool against the reapers, human dominance is only his goal once the reaper threat is out of the way.

Modifié par Bad King, 22 janvier 2012 - 12:13 .

[Nohvarr]

Here's the thing, does he really want to cure the genophage or does he see an opportunity to manipulate the Krogan by providing a cure. A reborn Krogan are going to cause problems for the Salarians and the Turians and it puts the Krogan in Cerberus debt. Also, TIM knows that a war against the Geth right now is a bad idea, which is why he funded Overlord. We can't afford to face the reapers and the Geth at the same time. Better the Quarians and the Geth make peace until the threat of the 'Old Machines' has past.

[LTiberious]

MAZ77 wrote...

LTiberious wrote...

How does BW explain the fact that Cerberus is "evil" in ME3, and Why you couldnt find that out in ME2?

Because they manipulated you! Yeeeessss. For several billion credits they manipulated shep to save human lives (the bastards).

SPELL: INDOCTRINATION


Cerberus apparently is NOT its usual self in ME 3, so any discussion about the true nature of Cerberus is useless.

TIM is not indocrinated.

[King Minos]

Nohvarr wrote...

Here's the thing, does he really want to cure the genophage or does he see an opportunity to manipulate the Krogan by providing a cure. A reborn Krogan are going to cause problems for the Salarians and the Turians and it puts the Krogan in Cerberus debt. Also, TIM knows that a war against the Geth right now is a bad idea, which is why he funded Overlord. We can't afford to face the reapers and the Geth at the same time. Better the Quarians and the Geth make peace until the threat of the 'Old Machines' has past.

If i was Cerberus:

I will use the cure to control the Krogan. They do what i say and i may give them the cure, depending on how many there are left after the war. If they suffered alot of casualties then i will cure them. They would be useful to Cerberus if they grew in numbers and still remember their debt to them. Cerberus would be unstoppable then.

The Geth Qurian situation, i would align myself with the Geth. They are technologically stronger and physically than the Quarians. Along with the fact you can possibly mass prduce Geth bodies and i am guessing the Geth will make the Geth programs themselves.

Wouldn't the Geth worship the Overlord? Half organic, half machine? TIM could use this to the Geth to show that working together is possible.

[Bad King]

King Minos wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

Here's the thing, does he really want to cure the genophage or does he see an opportunity to manipulate the Krogan by providing a cure. A reborn Krogan are going to cause problems for the Salarians and the Turians and it puts the Krogan in Cerberus debt. Also, TIM knows that a war against the Geth right now is a bad idea, which is why he funded Overlord. We can't afford to face the reapers and the Geth at the same time. Better the Quarians and the Geth make peace until the threat of the 'Old Machines' has past.

If i was Cerberus:

I will use the cure to control the Krogan. They do what i say and i may give them the cure, depending on how many there are left after the war. If they suffered alot of casualties then i will cure them. They would be useful to Cerberus if they grew in numbers and still remember their debt to them. Cerberus would be unstoppable then.

The Geth Qurian situation, i would align myself with the Geth. They are technologically stronger and physically than the Quarians. Along with the fact you can possibly mass prduce Geth bodies and i am guessing the Geth will make the Geth programs themselves.

Wouldn't the Geth worship the Overlord? Half organic, half machine? TIM could use this to the Geth to show that working together is possible.

According to his logs, TIM wanted to use the krogan as shocktroopers and supported peace between the geth and quarians in order to increase the galaxy's chances of victory. A lot of people seem to not want this to be true however, and claim that all his logs were lying so that he could manipulate Shepard (even though Shepard never gets to see them).

Modifié par Bad King, 22 janvier 2012 - 12:33 .

[King Minos]

Well the Krogan would make great shock-troopers. Drop in a hundred Krogan with a **** load of ornaments behind enemy lines, let them run around and just sit back and relax. Great success.

I also support the peace between Geth and Quarians as well. What's wrong with that? Geth technology mixed in with Quarian Engineering, you would be able to get some cool tech that can not only be used by the Geth but for the other species as well.

In the codex, it says Geth tech is hard to add on to current tech f other species due to the complicity. If the Quarians can make it work with our tech...great success.

Modifié par King Minos, 22 janvier 2012 - 12:37 .

[Nohvarr]

He want's to increase humanities chances at survival, no doubt. However he works with whatever he has available to him at the time. In ME 2, he had Shepard, the SR2 and his various cells and influnece to ensure the survival of the human race. However, after ME 2 he has access to technology beyond the Omega Relay, cause even if you blew up the base, there are still a ton of ships floating out there, and who knows what other Reaper/Collector tech you missed.

Now TIM sees an opportunity to not just survive the Reaper threat, but to ensure human dominance at the same time. It's risky but to TIM well worth the effort.

Modifié par Nohvarr, 22 janvier 2012 - 12:37 .

[King Minos]

Got to give the guy credit, TIM is amazing. If only all Humans were like him.

We would all be scheming bastards and be really dangerous, aliens would fear us, we would be unstoppable.

Modifié par King Minos, 22 janvier 2012 - 12:39 .

[Nohvarr]

They already do fear us, just ask the batarians.

[King Minos]

Nohvarr wrote...

They already do fear us, just ask the batarians.

We are not feared enough and feared by the wrong species. No-one gives a toss about the Batarians.

We are hated on the streets and some individual from other species say it to our faces or dsicriminate us. Turian shop-keeper and refund guy comes to mind.

Nobody messes with a Krogan because of their strength. I don't want aliens to run away screaming for their lives at the sign of a Human, but i would prefer if they did not outright insult us.

Cerberus is the only thing the Council actually fear about us Humans.

[leeboi2]

Their*

[King Minos]

leeboi2 wrote...

Their*

And where did i miss-spell 'their'?

Modifié par King Minos, 22 janvier 2012 - 01:15 .

[Blacklash93]

LTiberious wrote...
Xenophobia isnt "evil". 

Well people (and the world in general) are certainly better off without it.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 22 janvier 2012 - 01:19 .

[Nohvarr]

Actually, it's noted the the Council and other alien races are very concerned about Humans in the Codex. They've only met a small percentage of us, since much of our population is still on earth and fear that we might be a sleeping giant. As for the Turian shopkeeper, the weapon seller I ran into on the Cit. went all fanboy on my Shepard, and the Turian fleet seemed to be our new best friend in my playthrough.

Anyways, TIM has proven himself to be ruthless, vindictive and willing to betray anyone to accomplish his goals. He believes that strength for Cerberus is strength for humanity and that Humans should rule over the universe.

[Dean_the_Young]

AlexXIV wrote...

But they must also see him as a threat. As all intelligent organic life that is not indoctrinated.

No they don't have to hold that view.

In fact, you're assigning motivations and views to the Reapers that have never been suggested, and goes against the primary constant view of the Reaper, IE that they consider their victory inevitable no matter the setbacks that occur before they Arrive.

[Dean_the_Young]

AlexXIV wrote...

You know I think it a bit unlikely that they bugged the SB's network. I mean they are not that smart. They shot Shepard and the Normandy out of the Sky. Let Shepard drop on the planet and later they realize they wanted the dead body.
I mean seriously they build a trap and then head off without the thing they wanted to trap just to let someone else pick it up and then try to contact whoever it was to get the thing they want back. Seriously looks like some of the genetic engineering went horribly wrong. Even if Harbinger assumed control.

Have you ever considered they have other priorities that didn't allow them to collect Shepard's body at the time?

[MAZ77]

LTiberious wrote...

MAZ77 wrote...

LTiberious wrote...

How does BW explain the fact that Cerberus is "evil" in ME3, and Why you couldnt find that out in ME2?

Because they manipulated you! Yeeeessss. For several billion credits they manipulated shep to save human lives (the bastards).

SPELL: INDOCTRINATION


Cerberus apparently is NOT its usual self in ME 3, so any discussion about the true nature of Cerberus is useless.

TIM is not indocrinated.

But the spoiler leaks suggest otherwise.

[King Minos]

Nohvarr wrote...

Actually, it's noted the the Council and other alien races are very concerned about Humans in the Codex. They've only met a small percentage of us, since much of our population is still on earth and fear that we might be a sleeping giant. As for the Turian shopkeeper, the weapon seller I ran into on the Cit. went all fanboy on my Shepard, and the Turian fleet seemed to be our new best friend in my playthrough.

Anyways, TIM has proven himself to be ruthless, vindictive and willing to betray anyone to accomplish his goals. He believes that strength for Cerberus is strength for humanity and that Humans should rule over the universe.

Concerned.

We are still stepped on and ignored. We are seen as a living joke in some areas of the Galaxy. We deserve to be extinct if the Volus walk all over us.

You know, i would prefer if our military was similiar to the Helghan army. Obviously i don't want a Helghan society or we would all be living in slums.