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[AgitatedLemon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

That's quite the baseless counter point you have there.

No it isn't. In ME2 TIM's debriefings clearly indicate that he is concerned for the other races in-so-far-as they will be useful allies in the war against the Reapers. He even takes action to safeguard them such as sending scouts to monitor the geth for any potential retaliation against the quarians.

So if the Collectors were targeting turians I'm sure Cerberus would still be keeping a close eye on the situation and acting as necessary.

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I would have hoped that a Cerberus d*ck rider such as yourself would know how human-centric Cerberus is.

That isn't very nice.

@bold-

I'll do the same thing you do.

Proof?

[Blacklash93]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Actually, why would TIM get a colony attacked if he wasn't even certain the Collector bug countermeasure was working?

A gamble. How long is TIM supposed to wait? The Horizon mission was in the works for a while.

Worst case scenario Shepard doesn't land on the ground and instead the Alliance is brought in.

All it took was putting the VS on the colony. I'm sure TIM could have planned it so Mordin would have more time to develop the countermeasure.

And what about my points above that indicate Horizon didn't really do anything to help stop the Collectors? You get most of a colony abducted and what did that gain anyone? What did we really learn that wasn't already obvious?

Modifié par Blacklash93, 23 janvier 2012 - 11:09 .

[King Minos]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Actually, why would TIM get a colony attacked if he wasn't even certain the Collector bug countermeasure was working?

A gamble. How long is TIM supposed to wait? The Horizon mission was in the works for a while.

Worst case scenario Shepard doesn't land on the ground and instead the Alliance is brought in.

All it took was putting the VS on the colony. I'm sure TIM could have planned it so Mordin would have more time to develop the countermeasure.

And what about my points above that indicate Horizon didn't really do anything to help stop the Collectors? You get most of a colony abducted and what did that gain anyone?

It did help, the Collectors attacked Horizon because of a former squad-member of Shepards was there, showing an interest in Shepard.

It also confirmed that the Collectors are targetting Humanity specifically and answered why Human colonies are empty.

The husks on horizon confirmed a link between the Collectors and the Reapers.

Modifié par King Minos, 23 janvier 2012 - 11:09 .

[Yakko77]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

You see, I can understand sacrificing a few for the sake of many more lives.

Oh, good then. That means you must understand why the Horizon mission was necessary and how it was a good thing.

I'm so glad we cleared that up.

No.  It was already well established that the Collectors were gunning for Shepard personally with the initial Normandy SR1 attack.  TIM manipulated events on Horizon to get someone from Sheps past to be on Horizon in an effort to manipulate Shepard.  Nothing more.  There were likely other ways to test the Seeker Swarm shield.  Again, the events as they took place on Horizen were ultimately a means to an end for Cerberus and TIM, not for the betterment of Shepard or even humanity.

There is nothing noble or honorable about Cerberus or TIM.

[Blacklash93]

King Minos wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Actually, why would TIM get a colony attacked if he wasn't even certain the Collector bug countermeasure was working?

A gamble. How long is TIM supposed to wait? The Horizon mission was in the works for a while.

Worst case scenario Shepard doesn't land on the ground and instead the Alliance is brought in.

All it took was putting the VS on the colony. I'm sure TIM could have planned it so Mordin would have more time to develop the countermeasure.

And what about my points above that indicate Horizon didn't really do anything to help stop the Collectors? You get most of a colony abducted and what did that gain anyone?

It did help, the Collectors attacked Horizon because of a former squad-member of Shepards was there, showing an interest in Shepard.

It also confirmed that the Collectors are targetting Humanity specifically and answered why Human colonies are empty.

We already knew they were interested in Shepard. I'd expect TIM to be smart enough to figure that out since they went to the trouble of killing him personally. And I really don't see how them showing interest in Shepard's friends really help things.

And we also already knew they were only targeting humanity. And Veetor's footage already answered why and how colonies went empty.

[Blacklash93]

Saphra Deden wrote...
...but it did. The Collectors were forced to operate more carefully now that they realized Cerberus was able of hitting back. The cruiser was damaged at least, lives were saved, and their focus turned from the colonies to Shepard himself. This eventually lead the Collectors to set up the ship trap which gained the anti-Collector operation valuable intel.

Why would TIM want the Collectors to be more careful if he was going to lure them into a trap later on? And the Collectors surely would have wanted Shepard's body if they knew they could aquire it again. There was no need to do something like that to get their attention.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 23 janvier 2012 - 11:15 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I'll do the same thing you do.

Proof?

...are you serious? It's in the sentences right above the part you bolded. Try a little harder next time.

That doesn't exactly help your case.

He doesn't help them because he gives a vorcha's ass about them. He helps them because he can use them later.

[Complistic]

Surely I can't be the first person to notice the incorrect use of the word "there" in the thread title correct?

[King Minos]

Blacklash93 wrote...

King Minos wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Actually, why would TIM get a colony attacked if he wasn't even certain the Collector bug countermeasure was working?

A gamble. How long is TIM supposed to wait? The Horizon mission was in the works for a while.

Worst case scenario Shepard doesn't land on the ground and instead the Alliance is brought in.

All it took was putting the VS on the colony. I'm sure TIM could have planned it so Mordin would have more time to develop the countermeasure.

And what about my points above that indicate Horizon didn't really do anything to help stop the Collectors? You get most of a colony abducted and what did that gain anyone?

It did help, the Collectors attacked Horizon because of a former squad-member of Shepards was there, showing an interest in Shepard.

It also confirmed that the Collectors are targetting Humanity specifically and answered why Human colonies are empty.

We already knew they were interested in Shepard. I'd expect TIM to be smart enough to figure that out since they went to the trouble of killing him personally. And I really don't see how them showing interest in Shepard's friends really help things.

And we also already knew they were only targeting humanity. And Veetor's footage already answered why and how colonies went empty.

Yeah they found out that the Collectors were attacking the colonies because Cerberus sent Shepard to that colony.

Tim said the clues were there, he just needed proof.

I think the cannon's damaged the Collector ship as well.

[Blacklash93]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Why would TIM want the Collectors to be more careful if he was going to lure them into a trap later on?

If they're more careful then they aren't as aggressive. That means they aren't taking as many colonies. That means Shepard's team has more time to plan and prepare for their trip through the relay.

I don't see how less colonies abducted equals more time.

[LPPrince]

Complistic wrote...

Surely I can't be the first person to notice the incorrect use of the word "there" in the thread title correct?

Heh, no you probably aren't the first.

Anywho, I'm a little tired of being insulted, so I'm going to drop out of this thread peacefully.

Hopefully the heat in here dies down.

[Blacklash93]

King Minos wrote...
Yeah they found out that the Collectors were attacking the colonies because Cerberus sent Shepard to that colony.

Tim said the clues were there, he just needed proof.

I think the cannon's damaged the Collector ship as well.

No, they attacked it because VS was there. It was a special case that wasn't repeated.

It was already obvious.

The cannon - nothing that couldn't be reapaired easily. Also is that worth getting so many people abducted?

[Blacklash93]

Saphra Deden wrote...
You don't see how the Collectors moving more slowly equals more time?

The goal remember is to stop the Collectors completely and save the colonies they haven't already taken. If they aren't taking colonies as often then you have more time to do that.

I don't think TIM really cares how many colonies are abducted. It's inconsequestial to getting the job done.

Tricking the Collectors into letting Shepard board their Ship from the start would have been much quicker, anyway.

[AgitatedLemon]

LPPrince wrote...

Complistic wrote...

Surely I can't be the first person to notice the incorrect use of the word "there" in the thread title correct?

Heh, no you probably aren't the first.

Anywho, I'm a little tired of being insulted, so I'm going to drop out of this thread peacefully.

Hopefully the heat in here dies down.

So long as [sympathiszers] exist, the heat will never die down.

[That's twice.]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 24 janvier 2012 - 12:29 .