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[Blacklash93]

AlexXIV wrote...
No I don't justify Cerberus killing Kohaku. But he was a soldier and investigating Cerberus. That means he knew the risks. Soldiers ain't innocents because their job is war. If you choose this proffession you know what you sign for and you can't claim anyone killing you is a murderer. Neither are soldiers who kill other soldiers murderers. It's what happens if people make decisions about their role in life. I don't say it is right to kill soldiers under all circumstances. But it is not killing innocents.

He wasn't actively investigating Cerberus. Cerberus killed his unit and he wanted to know who did it. He then went into hiding when he knew who it was and that they knew he found them out. He never asked for it. That's like killing a soldier off-duty. They're innocent.

[saturos2]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
The player is then offered a choice: do things TIM way which grants you a dark pro-human ending, at a great cost (say you have to fight and kill your squadmates and the epilogue talks about the suffering of alien species that follows).

Or the player refuses and has hard fight against TIM's troops and a one-on-one against Kai Leng. The ending is pro-everybody.

So selfishly and needlessly screw everyone but humanity over or save everyone? That doesn't sound anymore morally grey than what Bioware came up with.

you know that in this suggestion you have a choice right? Sapha didn't say  that you had to side with cerberus. just that if you want to you can.

[Blacklash93]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

He wasn't actively investigating Cerberus. Cerberus killed his unit and he wanted to know who did it. He then went into hiding when he knew who it was and that they knew he found them out. He never asked for it. That's like killing a soldier off-duty. They're innocent.

...but he wasn't off-duty and he was selling human secrets to aliens.

Cerberus did the Alliance a favor and they even agreed.

Oh. I didn't know that. The selling secrets thing, I mean.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 24 janvier 2012 - 12:46 .

[Blacklash93]

I was actually being sincere. I didn't know that. I skipped over most of the dialogue in the side-quests of ME1.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 24 janvier 2012 - 12:48 .

[Blacklash93]

You know you're doing BSN a huge disservice tossing around spoilers like this. And you KNOW they're spoilers so don't feed me what Chris said.

[DiebytheSword]

jreezy wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
Though we don't even know how or when TIM was indoctrinated.

TIM is indoctrinated?

It appears that he's not at first, but then there is info in the leak regarding this.  An off hand dialogue.  Obviously can't be repeated here.

[AlexXIV]

Saphra Deden wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
Though we don't even know how or when TIM was indoctrinated.

TIM is indoctrinated?

Right up to the self-inflicted gun-shot wound to the head.

Deja Vu.

[saturos2]

Saphra Deden wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
Though we don't even know how or when TIM was indoctrinated.

TIM is indoctrinated?

Right up to the self-inflicted gun-shot wound to the head.

"goodbye sheaperd,Thamk you."

[LPPrince]

*peeks in*

Is it safe? Tell me its safe.

I do not like Cerberus.

*braces for impact*

Modifié par LPPrince, 24 janvier 2012 - 12:55 .

[AlexXIV]

Blacklash93 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
No I don't justify Cerberus killing Kohaku. But he was a soldier and investigating Cerberus. That means he knew the risks. Soldiers ain't innocents because their job is war. If you choose this proffession you know what you sign for and you can't claim anyone killing you is a murderer. Neither are soldiers who kill other soldiers murderers. It's what happens if people make decisions about their role in life. I don't say it is right to kill soldiers under all circumstances. But it is not killing innocents.

He wasn't actively investigating Cerberus. Cerberus killed his unit and he wanted to know who did it. He then went into hiding when he knew who it was and that they knew he found them out. He never asked for it. That's like killing a soldier off-duty. They're innocent.

There ain't off-duty in war. And Cerberus is basically at war with the Alliance. Officially anyway. Innocents are civilians for me. Not soldiers or cops. If your job is to be meatshield for society then that's it.

[AlexXIV]

LPPrince wrote...

*peeks in*

Is it safe? Tell me its safe.

I do not like Cerberus.

*braces for impact*

Nobody likes Cerberus.

[Blacklash93]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

You know you're doing BSN a huge disservice tossing around spoilers like this. And you KNOW they're spoilers so don't feed me what Chris said.

I for one stand by Mr. Priestly.

[LPPrince]

AlexXIV wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

*peeks in*

Is it safe? Tell me its safe.

I do not like Cerberus.

*braces for impact*

Nobody likes Cerberus.

O___O

edit- hahahaha, I love that face.

Modifié par LPPrince, 24 janvier 2012 - 12:58 .

[AlexXIV]

LPPrince wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

*peeks in*

Is it safe? Tell me its safe.

I do not like Cerberus.

*braces for impact*

Nobody likes Cerberus.

O___O

edit- hahahaha, I love that face.

Yeah what did you expect. Cerberus is not around to be liked. They are there to do what needs to be done. At least that's what they think. And they have no problem to be the bogey man for most people.

[XDMMX]

The whole Cerberus thing is rather confusing and annoying.

ME1: Cerberus is an rouge alliance black ops group that Shepard fights.

ME2: Now Cerberus is a Pro Human group that revives Shepard despite the fact that Shepard wiped out a good portion of there operations in ME1, but that doesn't matter because all of your buddies have joined up with Cerberus to take the fight to the Reapers.

ME3: The Reapers are invading and when Shepard could use the help of Cerberus the most, Cerberus decides to throw Shepard under the buss, despite the fact. that Shepard may have been pro Cerberus.

It makes me think that the Illusive man is on some hardcore drugs or he has multiple personality disorder? The Illusive Man spends billions of credits to revive Shepard because Shepard is humanities only hope, pro Cerberus Shepard then go's out of his way to help Cerberus then the Illusive Man stabs Shepard in the back?

But this bizarre behavior isn't restricted to just the Illusive Man, some of your squad members during the suicide mission tell Shepard he should keep the Collector base, then do a 180 and tell Shepard post suicide mission that he made the wrong choice? Does everyone in the Mass Effect universe suffer from some sort of mental disorder? Maybe its exposure to Eezo?

Also if you haven't played any of the DLC missions or read the comics and books, you are completely unaware of the atrocities Cerberus has committed, so to the new player Cerberus come off as being sort of a shining beacon of humanity.

And for players that are aware of the darkest aspects of Cerberus, its still unfair to punish them for siding with Cerberus, a RPG style video game should be a fun experience where you can make your own choices, not make the person feel like **** because the player didn't make the decision the developers felt was correct.

For Instance if you kill the Council in ME1 you end up getting your Spectre status removed and basically treated like **** bye the new council you put into power, in ME2 if you gave Cerberus the Collector base your entire team tells Shepard what a ****** he is for doing it. this is punishing the player for making there own decision.

So Instead you end up getting the illusion of choice, sure you can make some Renegade choices but your gonna be heavily punished for it and the Renegade choices you don't get punished for end up being inconsequential and having no effect on the story, so you end up playing a Paragon because the game rewards you and tells you how AWSUM! you are for being a Paragon. Kinda reminds me of a form of behavioral conditioning.

Anyways, the point im trying to make is if BioWare is gonna make it so your decisions either don't matter or punish someone for being Renegade or even pro Cerberus, why even have the choice at all?

[Chris Priestly]

Thats enough spoilers and swearing.


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