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[AlexXIV]

LPPrince wrote...

Cerberus has ALWAYS been evil. Always.

Kelly and the rest of the Cerb crew? They are oblivious to the true workings and motives behind Cerberus. They are left out of the loop and follow their orders blindly believing they are part of a much more benevolent organization.

Its not their fault, but they are victims just as David was, just as Kahoku was, just as the team on Akuze was, including Shepard.

And no matter what-

Akuze. Wasn't. Excused.

And they'll get everything they deserve in Mass Effect 3.

Tbh that's the biggest quarrel I have with ME2 (and probably with ME3 obviously).

Can they (Cerberus) really be so bad? Would Joker join anyone, even terrorists just so he can fly? What about Chakwas? Jakob who obviously has got a problem with assassins (Thane) but no problem working for Cerberus because they 'get the job done'. So did Thane obviously. I don't know it seems sometimes like they forgot what story they are telling or that they got mixed up two different stories and tell it as one. One in which Cerberus are the bad guys and one in which Cerberus is maybe a darker shade of grey.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 21 janvier 2012 - 11:24 .

[TheCreeper]

Did no one else see the psychotic smirk TIM has if you save the collector base? The guy was using Shepard from the beginning.

[AlexXIV]

TheCreeper wrote...

Did no one else see the psychotic smirk TIM has if you save the collector base? The guy was using Shepard from the beginning.

Well the term 'psychotic' is rather an assumtion on your part. I saw the smile but I wasn't like 'Oh my god, what a psycho!'.

[What a Succulent Ass]

With a flaming red background reminiscent of hell.

He can definitely be trusted.

[HiroVoid]

Random Jerkface wrote...

With a flaming red background reminiscent of hell.

He can definitely be trusted.

How do you think we knew how to not trust Saren?

He even got his own special red hologram instead of the usual blue one.

[AlexXIV]

I never really understood why they call themselves Cerberus to begin with. I am sure there were options that sound less threatening, deadly or fearsome. For example Pegasus ... but 'Hellhounds' is sort of a giveaway.

[MAZ77]

This is an interesting thread, because the Bioware-can-do-no-wrong faction is all up in arms defending the (mal)treatment of Cerberus/TIM in ME 3 by looking down on Renegades/Cerberus-fanboys.

A suggestion: Go looking back at old threads just after ME 2 came out that speculate about how ME 3 will be - people there thought that Cerberus will be an ALLY, not an enemy. So Bioware made one of two things:

1. They always intended for Cerberus to be the evil guys - then they majorly screwed up the story in ME 2 to create a "false" impression, or

2. The decision to turn Cerberus into the enemy in ME 3 was made between ME 2 and ME 3 (most likely).

I think it is safe to assume that Bioware is making the story up as we go along, proven by the fact that Cerberus has made TWO u-turns.


The other problem is TIM, which was portrayed as a very charismatic and interesting character, who is now simply turned into


SPOILER 


an indoctrinated avarage James-Bond-villain. What a waste.


Besides, Mass Effect is not a children's game.

Modifié par MAZ77, 21 janvier 2012 - 11:36 .

[HiroVoid]

AlexXIV wrote...

I never really understood why they call themselves Cerberus to begin with. I am sure there were options that sound less threatening, deadly or fearsome. For example Pegasus ... but 'Hellhounds' is sort of a giveaway.

Well, they guarded the underworld and Hades himself was  a pretty nice guy compared to the rest of the Olympian gods.

[HiroVoid]

mrsph wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

With a flaming red background reminiscent of hell.

He can definitely be trusted.

The red symbolises how strong humanity has become.

[seirhart]

Bad King wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Well there is a chance that in ME2 he was just trying to lead Shep on. I can understand why Cerberus supporters don't like it, but fact is, if he is as smart as people say then he probably knows when to play nice to get what he wants.

The problem with this idea is that his plans for curing the genophage and supporting peace between the quarians and geth are in his personal logs- they are essentially behind Shepard's back. Only we (the player) get to see them.

have you thought that maybe he is lying to you in your face and lying to you in his emails just so you will be on his side and in ME 1 cereberus is evil.

[PPF65]

LPPrince wrote...

Cerberus has ALWAYS been evil. Always.

Kelly and the rest of the Cerb crew? They are oblivious to the true workings and motives behind Cerberus. They are left out of the loop and follow their orders blindly believing they are part of a much more benevolent organization.

Its not their fault, but they are victims just as David was, just as Kahoku was, just as the team on Akuze was, including Shepard.

And no matter what-

Akuze. Wasn't. Excused.

And they'll get everything they deserve in Mass Effect 3.

Very much this. Oh, also, arming the leader of a terrorist organization with the most advanced tech known in all the galaxy is stupidity in a very pure form. That is why giving TIM the Collector base is the wrong idea. No one knows 100% WHAT he's going to do with it, but "nothing good" is a solid guess.

[AlexXIV]

HiroVoid wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

I never really understood why they call themselves Cerberus to begin with. I am sure there were options that sound less threatening, deadly or fearsome. For example Pegasus ... but 'Hellhounds' is sort of a giveaway.

Well, they guarded the underworld and Hades himself was  a pretty nice guy compared to the rest of the Olympian gods.

Well if I recall it properly it was relatively easy to enter the Underworld but next to impossible to leave. Because of Cerberus who didn't exactly guard the Underworld from intruders but rather the world of the living from the deaders who may want to leave the Underworld. So probably not really evil. Unless you went into the Underworld and then want to leave it again.

[HiroVoid]

PPF65 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Cerberus has ALWAYS been evil. Always.

Kelly and the rest of the Cerb crew? They are oblivious to the true workings and motives behind Cerberus. They are left out of the loop and follow their orders blindly believing they are part of a much more benevolent organization.

Its not their fault, but they are victims just as David was, just as Kahoku was, just as the team on Akuze was, including Shepard.

And no matter what-

Akuze. Wasn't. Excused.

And they'll get everything they deserve in Mass Effect 3.

Very much this. Oh, also, arming the leader of a terrorist organization with the most advanced tech known in all the galaxy is stupidity in a very pure form. That is why giving TIM the Collector base is the wrong idea. No one knows 100% WHAT he's going to do with it, but "nothing good" is a solid guess.

Actually, it's already been confirmed nothing negative comes from either choice.

[AlexXIV]

mrsph wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

With a flaming red background reminiscent of hell.

He can definitely be trusted.

The red symbolises how strong humanity has become.

Or the love TIM feels for all his human brothers and sisters?

Or maybe the blood he is going to spill to reach his goals, who knows.

[AgitatedLemon]

mrsph wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...


The red symbolises how strong humanity has become.

*snip*

The Illusive Man is bringing order to the chaos of Omega. Soon it will be safe to walk the streets again with your human wife and human child.

Invasion would disagree with you on that one.

[TheCreeper]

Cerberus got a lot of recruits (such as joker and Jacob) by playing the "Sage guarding humanity" role, considering the Alliance has gotten a lot of power since ME1 but has done next to nothing to safe guard humanity from the collectors and whatnot that has a lot of appeal. But it's just an act by the Illusive Man, he is very good at saying things to get people's support, which is why most of his dialogue towards a paragon shepard is fairly agreedable, he doesn't agree with shep but s/he is too important to ****** off or make suspicious. Once Shepard has the collector base Her/his value to TIM is pretty much at an end, so he finally shows his true colors to Paragon shep, because the collector base was probably what he had been trying to grab the entire game.

Look at every project of theirs you encounter in ME1 and ME2, The one to revive shep is probably the only one that doesn't scream "We're evil!". I will never understand why groups like Cerberus and the Enclave from Fallout get so much fan support when they spend so much of their time kicking dogs.

[seirhart]

AlexXIV wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Cerberus has ALWAYS been evil. Always.

Kelly and the rest of the Cerb crew? They are oblivious to the true workings and motives behind Cerberus. They are left out of the loop and follow their orders blindly believing they are part of a much more benevolent organization.

Its not their fault, but they are victims just as David was, just as Kahoku was, just as the team on Akuze was, including Shepard.

And no matter what-

Akuze. Wasn't. Excused.

And they'll get everything they deserve in Mass Effect 3.

Tbh that's the biggest quarrel I have with ME2 (and probably with ME3 obviously).

Can they (Cerberus) really be so bad? Would Joker join anyone, even terrorists just so he can fly? What about Chakwas? Jakob who obviously has got a problem with assassins (Thane) but no problem working for Cerberus because they 'get the job done'. So did Thane obviously. I don't know it seems sometimes like they forgot what story they are telling or that they got mixed up two different stories and tell it as one. One in which Cerberus are the bad guys and one in which Cerberus is maybe a darker shade of grey.

Its obvious to me at least that Cereberus told Chakwas and Joker that they are bringing back Shepard and when those two found out that Shepard is going to be back they took the chance to join even if temporarily to be with shepard.

[Ryzaki]

TheCreeper wrote...

Cerberus got a lot of recruits (such as joker and Jacob) by playing the "Sage guarding humanity" role, considering the Alliance has gotten a lot of power since ME1 but has done next to nothing to safe guard humanity from the collectors and whatnot that has a lot of appeal. But it's just an act by the Illusive Man, he is very good at saying things to get people's support, which is why most of his dialogue towards a paragon shepard is fairly agreedable, he doesn't agree with shep but s/he is too important to ****** off or make suspicious. Once Shepard has the collector base Her/his value to TIM is pretty much at an end, so he finally shows his true colors to Paragon shep, because the collector base was probably what he had been trying to grab the entire game.

Look at every project of theirs you encounter in ME1 and ME2, The one to revive shep is probably the only one that doesn't scream "We're evil!". I will never understand why groups like Cerberus and the Enclave from Fallout get so much fan support when they spend so much of their time kicking dogs.

My paragon Shep was amused at how fast he went from all nice and "this is why I brought you back!" to "I KNEW YOU WOULD CHOKE ON THE HARD DECISIONS!"

LOL TIM. Try harder in your manipulations next time.

[AgitatedLemon]

Ryzaki wrote...

TheCreeper wrote...

Cerberus got a lot of recruits (such as joker and Jacob) by playing the "Sage guarding humanity" role, considering the Alliance has gotten a lot of power since ME1 but has done next to nothing to safe guard humanity from the collectors and whatnot that has a lot of appeal. But it's just an act by the Illusive Man, he is very good at saying things to get people's support, which is why most of his dialogue towards a paragon shepard is fairly agreedable, he doesn't agree with shep but s/he is too important to ****** off or make suspicious. Once Shepard has the collector base Her/his value to TIM is pretty much at an end, so he finally shows his true colors to Paragon shep, because the collector base was probably what he had been trying to grab the entire game.

Look at every project of theirs you encounter in ME1 and ME2, The one to revive shep is probably the only one that doesn't scream "We're evil!". I will never understand why groups like Cerberus and the Enclave from Fallout get so much fan support when they spend so much of their time kicking dogs.

My paragon Shep was amused at how fast he went from all nice and "this is why I brought you back!" to "I KNEW YOU WOULD CHOKE ON THE HARD DECISIONS!"

LOL TIM. Try harder in your manipulations next time.

That's why it's generally a bad idea to let someone who's bi-polar lead a terrorist organization.

[andy6915]

MAZ77 wrote...
A suggestion: Go looking back at old threads just after ME 2 came out that speculate about how ME 3 will be - people there thought that Cerberus will be an ALLY, not an enemy.

Every last one of those people must have played solely renegade. My paragon Shepard knew that Cerberus would backstab eventually, and decided to backstab first with blowing up the Collector base. From there, it was clear that TIM and Shepard were enemies at that moment, and Jacob even agrees when you talk to him afterward with him saying (paraphrased) "Cerberus will be after you now, on top of the Reapers. You sure know how to make enemies.". I fully expected Cerberus to want me dead in ME3.

And my guess that they would backstab you either way was right, seeing as how that's exactly what they did in ME3 with your renegade, Collector base giving Shepards. Paragon Shepard's were smart, knew which way the wind was blowing, and backstabbed first and got as much distance from TIM as possible afterward. Renegade Shepard's though, were played like a fiddle whose string got cut when they were no longer useful, and were unkowingly TIM's little naive tool. They'll be surprised at what Cerberus does in ME3, but my paragon Shepard? Prepared, ready, and waiting for when Cerberus tries to screw things up... Ready to find TIM's little star room and put an end to him.