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[Xeranx]

AlexXIV wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

I never really understood why they call themselves Cerberus to begin with. I am sure there were options that sound less threatening, deadly or fearsome. For example Pegasus ... but 'Hellhounds' is sort of a giveaway.

Well, they guarded the underworld and Hades himself was  a pretty nice guy compared to the rest of the Olympian gods.

Well if I recall it properly it was relatively easy to enter the Underworld but next to impossible to leave. Because of Cerberus who didn't exactly guard the Underworld from intruders but rather the world of the living from the deaders who may want to leave the Underworld. So probably not really evil. Unless you went into the Underworld and then want to leave it again.

"Welcome to the hotel, California..." 

Modifié par Xeranx, 21 janvier 2012 - 11:50 .

[HiroVoid]

seirhart wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Cerberus has ALWAYS been evil. Always.

Kelly and the rest of the Cerb crew? They are oblivious to the true workings and motives behind Cerberus. They are left out of the loop and follow their orders blindly believing they are part of a much more benevolent organization.

Its not their fault, but they are victims just as David was, just as Kahoku was, just as the team on Akuze was, including Shepard.

And no matter what-

Akuze. Wasn't. Excused.

And they'll get everything they deserve in Mass Effect 3.

Tbh that's the biggest quarrel I have with ME2 (and probably with ME3 obviously).

Can they (Cerberus) really be so bad? Would Joker join anyone, even terrorists just so he can fly? What about Chakwas? Jakob who obviously has got a problem with assassins (Thane) but no problem working for Cerberus because they 'get the job done'. So did Thane obviously. I don't know it seems sometimes like they forgot what story they are telling or that they got mixed up two different stories and tell it as one. One in which Cerberus are the bad guys and one in which Cerberus is maybe a darker shade of grey.

Its obvious to me at least that Cereberus told Chakwas and Joker that they are bringing back Shepard and when those two found out that Shepard is going to be back they took the chance to join even if temporarily to be with shepard.

Actually, Joker joined because the Alliance grounded him, and Chakwas joined because she wanted to continue treating Joker.

[DarkPsylocke26]

Dr. Chakwas tells Shepard that she isn't working for Cerberus she is working for Shepard. Joker just want to fly, but I still think Joker is working for the Alliance sercetly.

[saturos2]

AlexXIV wrote...

I never really understood why they call themselves Cerberus to begin with. I am sure there were options that sound less threatening, deadly or fearsome. For example Pegasus ... but 'Hellhounds' is sort of a giveaway.

well they call themselves cerberus because the relay is called the charon relay, charon is the ferryman of the dead and is always around pluto, god of the underworld. charon relay=ferryman pluto=mans territory curberus=gardian. get it?

[TheCreeper]

Ryzaki wrote...

TheCreeper wrote...

Cerberus got a lot of recruits (such as joker and Jacob) by playing the "Sage guarding humanity" role, considering the Alliance has gotten a lot of power since ME1 but has done next to nothing to safe guard humanity from the collectors and whatnot that has a lot of appeal. But it's just an act by the Illusive Man, he is very good at saying things to get people's support, which is why most of his dialogue towards a paragon shepard is fairly agreedable, he doesn't agree with shep but s/he is too important to ****** off or make suspicious. Once Shepard has the collector base Her/his value to TIM is pretty much at an end, so he finally shows his true colors to Paragon shep, because the collector base was probably what he had been trying to grab the entire game.

Look at every project of theirs you encounter in ME1 and ME2, The one to revive shep is probably the only one that doesn't scream "We're evil!". I will never understand why groups like Cerberus and the Enclave from Fallout get so much fan support when they spend so much of their time kicking dogs.

My paragon Shep was amused at how fast he went from all nice and "this is why I brought you back!" to "I KNEW YOU WOULD CHOKE ON THE HARD DECISIONS!"

LOL TIM. Try harder in your manipulations next time.

Yeah...Well to be fair to TIM he did kinda get his big plan really screwed up, although he shouldn't have been surprised with a Paragon shep.

[seirhart]

andy69156915 wrote...

MAZ77 wrote...
A suggestion: Go looking back at old threads just after ME 2 came out that speculate about how ME 3 will be - people there thought that Cerberus will be an ALLY, not an enemy.

Every last one of those people must have played solely renegade. My paragon Shepard knew that Cerberus would backstab eventually, and decided to backstab first with blowing up the Collector base. From there, it was clear that TIM and Shepard were enemies at that moment, and Jacob even agrees when you talk to him afterward with him saying (paraphrased) "Cerberus will be after you now, on top of the Reapers. You sure know how to make enemies.". I fully expected Cerberus to want me dead in ME3.

And my guess that they would backstab you either way was right, seeing as how that's exactly what they did in ME3 with your renegade, Collector base giving Shepards. Paragon Shepard's were smart, knew which way the wind was blowing, and backstabbed first and got as much distance from TIM as possible afterward. Renegade Shepard's though, were played like a fiddle whose string got cut when they were no longer useful, and were unkowingly TIM's little naive tool. They'll be surprised at what Cerberus does in ME3, but my paragon Shepard? Prepared, ready, and waiting for when Cerberus tries to screw things up... Ready to find TIM's little star room and put an end to him.

See thats the thing from the very beginning I knew that T.I.M was going to backstab you no matter what, thats another reason I was pure paragon with some renegade and I got rid of the base.

[Ryzaki]

TheCreeper wrote...
Yeah...Well to be fair to TIM he did kinda get his big plan really screwed up, although he shouldn't have been surprised with a Paragon shep.

He really shouldn't which makes it even more laughable.

That said I find the Lazarus project to be pretty damn stupid to begin with.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Mrsph is winning this thread.

[MAZ77]

andy69156915 wrote...

Paragon Shepard's were smart, knew which way the wind was blowing, and backstabbed first and got as much distance from TIM as possible afterward.

Renegade Shepard's though, were played like a fiddle whose string got cut when they were no longer useful, and were unkowingly TIM's little naive tool.

Well, that's because Bioware does not want the Renegade route to pay off in the end. Not because Renegades were stupid tools.

andy69156915 wrote...

They'll be surprised at what Cerberus does in ME3, but my paragon Shepard? Prepared, ready, and waiting for when Cerberus tries to screw things up... Ready to find TIM's little star room and put an end to him.

You should save your hatred for the Reapers, you know...

[HiroVoid]

mrsph wrote...

People often bring up Akuze in order to attack Cerberus. But are they aware that Cerberus found 42 different uses for Thresher Maw venom?

Actually, they used that expirment to create the super thresher maw you see in ME3 according to the leak.

Modifié par HiroVoid, 22 janvier 2012 - 12:04 .

[Labrev]

mrsph wrote...

People often bring up Akuze in order to attack Cerberus. But are they aware that Cerberus found 42 different uses for Thresher Maw venom?

I am unaware. Enlighten me, and cite your source. 

[HiroVoid]

Ryzaki wrote...

TheCreeper wrote...
Yeah...Well to be fair to TIM he did kinda get his big plan really screwed up, although he shouldn't have been surprised with a Paragon shep.

He really shouldn't which makes it even more laughable.

That said I find the Lazarus project to be pretty damn stupid to begin with.

Yeah.  I don't get why instead of just sending Kai Leng, he ressurects Shepard if he was just going to backstab him anyway.  It's not like Shepard's some sort of immortal god that no other mortal could possibly hope to match.

[Epsilon330]

I love how all of the people who make these threads conveniently forget that BioWare stated as early as last year, that Cerberus has been indoctrinated.
With that organization's access to Reaper artifacts over the years, it isn't too surprising.

[AgitatedLemon]

HiroVoid wrote...

mrsph wrote...

People often bring up Akuze in order to attack Cerberus. But are they aware that Cerberus found 42 different uses for Thresher Maw venom?

Actually, they used that expirment to create the super thresher maw you see in ME3 according to the leak.

Kalros?

That completely contradicts his story, then.

[andy6915]

MAZ77 wrote...
You should save your hatred for the Reapers, you know...

Oh, I am. That doesn't mean I can't give TIM his present; A bullet. It has his name on it and everything. I just hope he doesn't mind how... Quickly his present reaches him when I meet him again.

Modifié par andy69156915, 22 janvier 2012 - 12:12 .

[AlexXIV]

saturos2 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

I never really understood why they call themselves Cerberus to begin with. I am sure there were options that sound less threatening, deadly or fearsome. For example Pegasus ... but 'Hellhounds' is sort of a giveaway.

well they call themselves cerberus because the relay is called the charon relay, charon is the ferryman of the dead and is always around pluto, god of the underworld. charon relay=ferryman pluto=mans territory curberus=gardian. get it?

Yeah well the god of the underworld would be Hades for the greek, but otherwise maybe.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 22 janvier 2012 - 12:17 .

[Ryzaki]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

mrsph wrote...

People often bring up Akuze in order to attack Cerberus. But are they aware that Cerberus found 42 different uses for Thresher Maw venom?

Actually, they used that expirment to create the super thresher maw you see in ME3 according to the leak.

Kalros?

That completely contradicts his story, then.

Uh..yeah that's bull.

That's thresher has been around since before humanity reached the stars.

[AgitatedLemon]

mrsph wrote...

Epsilon330 wrote...

I love how all of the people who make these threads conveniently forget that BioWare stated as early as last year, that Cerberus has been indoctrinated.
With that organization's access to Reaper artifacts over the years, it isn't too surprising.

They were not indoctrinated by the Reapers. A Reaper is but a machine that subverts the wills of weakminded aliens. No. Humanity has been indoctrinated by the wisdom of the Illusive Man. His words will bring upon us a new age of humanity, and stars function as mood rings.

I sincerely hope (For your sake) that you're kidding, because you're wrong.

[Armass81]

*Spoilers*

Oh yeah about that nice Cerberus you see in ME2...

You come across the knowledge that TIM was using Shepard all along, no matter how renegade he was. Lazarus cell and the ship was a nice smokescreen set up just for Shepard so s/he would feel comfortable. She did see through it tough, at least the paragons did.

Modifié par Armass81, 22 janvier 2012 - 12:19 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Ryzaki wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

mrsph wrote...

People often bring up Akuze in order to attack Cerberus. But are they aware that Cerberus found 42 different uses for Thresher Maw venom?

Actually, they used that expirment to create the super thresher maw you see in ME3 according to the leak.

Kalros?

That completely contradicts his story, then.

Uh..yeah that's bull.

That's thresher has been around since before humanity reached the stars.

Hiro's post is bull or mine is? Because mine was based on the February GameInformer that had the ME3 sneak peek.

[AlexXIV]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Epsilon330 wrote...

I love how all of the people who make these threads conveniently forget that BioWare stated as early as last year, that Cerberus has been indoctrinated.
With that organization's access to Reaper artifacts over the years, it isn't too surprising.

They were not indoctrinated by the Reapers. A Reaper is but a machine that subverts the wills of weakminded aliens. No. Humanity has been indoctrinated by the wisdom of the Illusive Man. His words will bring upon us a new age of humanity, and stars function as mood rings.

I sincerely hope (For your sake) that you're kidding, because you're wrong.

Indoctrinated more like

[saturos2]

AlexXIV wrote...

saturos2 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

I never really understood why they call themselves Cerberus to begin with. I am sure there were options that sound less threatening, deadly or fearsome. For example Pegasus ... but 'Hellhounds' is sort of a giveaway.

well they call themselves cerberus because the relay is called the charon relay, charon is the ferryman of the dead and is always around pluto, god of the underworld. charon relay=ferryman pluto=mans territory curberus=gardian. get it?

Yeah well the god of the underworld would be Hades for the greek, but otherwise maybe. Still Pegasus was Herc's horse so that would have been a proper name for the 'vehicle' of a hero. If TIM considers himself as such.

greek amd roman religion are one in the same, they just changed the names up.

[Ryzaki]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Hiro's post is bull or mine is? Because mine was based on the February GameInformer that had the ME3 sneak peek.

Hiro's.