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[Izhalezan]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

Came to check if Mrsph is still winning.

Yep.

I'm not a Cerberus fan at all, but I'm totally on his side in this debate anyway. He's doing great.

Doing great? all he's doing is baiting people along..... oh I see.

[Epsilon330]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

TheCreeper wrote...

Epsilon330 wrote...

TheCreeper wrote...

Question, do people honestly support what happened in Project Overlord? I if nothing else Legion shows it's utterly pointless because most Geth are as much as against the Reapers/Old Machines as the rest of the Galaxy.

Let's put it this way:
There's a damned good reason why the Paragon interrupt involves caving a man's nose in with a pistol.

That by far was the greatest Interrupt in the game IMO.

Hugs. Throwing mercs out of windows. Volus tipping. Setting krogan on fire.

I think what added weight to Overlord's interrupt is that it was just so surprising.
I mean, you've got a man, who's doing the only thing he can to help, who fired two shots at Shepagon which were obviously not intended to kill. Then the familiar blue symbol appears, and you press it, expecting Shepagon to disarm him and talk him down. But no....
He decides to remodel his face with a pistol instead.

Modifié par Epsilon330, 22 janvier 2012 - 01:01 .

[Ryzaki]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Why would I do that? S/he's hilarious.

s/he must be trolling.

[BlueMagitek]

AlexXIV wrote...

Geth were not hostile from start. They became when they considered it necessary to defend themselves. Self defense is considered legal in most laws. Unless you think the person or being defending itself has no rights because it is not a person in the sense of the law. So either Geth are not people or they had every right to defend themselves.

The Geth weren't a people.  They were some form of VI which somehow evolved into a relatively bad AI.  At the realization that the Geth were becoming AI, which is illegal in Council space, the Quarians had to put them down or they would presumably be harmed (and the Council does enjoy bombing Quarian worlds).

Ryzaki wrote...

He gave my Shep no reason *not* to believe
him. He ignores mulitple opportunities to attack Shepard (if that's his
intention) and isn't remotely hostile.

It was either the heretics or in self defense. Neither of which condemn them to me.

Clearly
lulling you into a false sense of security; the Geth are as threatened
as any other species by the Reapers, expect the Legion's cold, metallic
claws in your neck.

Yes, let's blame the heretics on everything on Legion's word.  Because he must be telling the truth, right?

AlexXIV wrote...

Well I trust Legion. To a point at least.
And I am curious. TIM isn't much of a mystery to me. A oportunistic
megalomaniac who will be your best friend as long as it serves his
interest and your worst enemy if you cross them.

Well tell me at least that you don't take everything he says at face value.

AgitatedLemon wrote...

1. As I already said, the quarians were hostile to them first. "Do I have a soul" "AHHH! Kill it with fire!"

2. You just said they broke the law, so you contradict yourself.

3. What part of "The heretics are the ones killing intruders", don't you understand?

The Quarians were hostile to a VI turning AI.  AIs are illegal in the ME-verse for whatever reason.  Why do you hate the law?

Ah, not quite.  The Geth were designed as VI and became AI.  Assuming
that the Quarians did not do this intentionally, and there's nothing to
point that they did, they accidently created an AI and when they
discovered this, tried to put them down.

The part where it's been going on for hundreds of years and the "True" Geth
doing nothing to stop them, warn outsiders or do anything other then,
as according to Legion, build a super complex for the Geth.

[AlexXIV]

mrsph wrote...

And what of it?

Is it not a sin to want to romance The Illusive Man or Kai Leng?

(Okay, I'm done.)

Hey you were about to win. You can't just go. SIN. It's a sin. Wait.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Ryzaki wrote...

s/he must be trolling.

No kidding. Pretty sure it started out as sarcasm, though.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 22 janvier 2012 - 01:06 .

[Ryzaki]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Clearlylulling you into a false sense of security; the Geth are as threatened as any other species by the Reapers, expect the Legion's cold, metallic claws in your neck.

Yes, let's blame the heretics on everything on Legion's word.  Because he must be telling the truth, right?

Oh please.

And again what good is Legion luring Shep into a trap? What does Legion gain from that? Why bother lying? Shepard doesn't need Legion's help to take out the Reapers. The most Legion gains is stopping the heretic virius.

And yeah I'll take his word over TIM's any day. Especially when TIM lies about crap that SHep can find the truth about just by saying "Hi Liara!" 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 janvier 2012 - 01:07 .

[Izhalezan]

BlueMagitek wrote...
The Geth weren't a people.  They were some form of VI which somehow evolved into a relatively bad AI.  At the realization that the Geth were becoming AI, which is illegal in Council space, the Quarians had to put them down or they would presumably be harmed (and the Council does enjoy bombing Quarian worlds).

That 'somehow' was the Quarians being lazy clowns and upgrading the Geth till they could take care of themselves and grow. The whole Geth problem is the result of one colossal %&^* up by the metal clowns who were too lazy to do things themselves.

[BlueMagitek]

Ryzaki wrote...

Oh please.

Geth are as threatened as everyone else by the Reapers. That's totally why the heretics are working with them no?

And yeah I'll take his word over TIM's any day. Especially when TIM lies about crap that SHep can find the truth about just by saying "Hi Liara!" 

Well, if we're going to take Legion's word on it, the Heretics came to the conclusion that it was good for them.  Now, from my understanding, the Geth were to replace the Keepers, so I would imagine that if there is a supposed division between the Heretics and the True Geth, this would be one of them. 

I mean, Saren was as threatened as everyone else by the Reapers, which is why he was working with them.

I wouldn't put too much trust into Liara either; I can understand she was in a stressful situation, but there was no need for that childish reaction.

[AgitatedLemon]

@Magitek

1. Good job twisting my words. You'd make for a good republican. Illegal or not, they exist, and they're sentient. They could have just built a space station for the geth to populate, but instead they chose to try and wipe them out.

2. See #1. To quote Optimus Prime: "Choice is right to all sentient beings", or something like that. Wait, I forgot, he's just a cold, unfeeling machine.

3. How long it's been going on has literally nothing to do with what sub-faction is doing it. I'm not sure if you ignored the cold, unfeeling machine's dialogue, but he explains why the "real" geth ignore the heretics.

[AlexXIV]

BlueMagitek wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Geth were not hostile from start. They became when they considered it necessary to defend themselves. Self defense is considered legal in most laws. Unless you think the person or being defending itself has no rights because it is not a person in the sense of the law. So either Geth are not people or they had every right to defend themselves.

The Geth weren't a people.  They were some form of VI which somehow evolved into a relatively bad AI.  At the realization that the Geth were becoming AI, which is illegal in Council space, the Quarians had to put them down or they would presumably be harmed (and the Council does enjoy bombing Quarian worlds).

Ryzaki wrote...

He gave my Shep no reason *not* to believe
him. He ignores mulitple opportunities to attack Shepard (if that's his
intention) and isn't remotely hostile.

It was either the heretics or in self defense. Neither of which condemn them to me.

Clearly
lulling you into a false sense of security; the Geth are as threatened
as any other species by the Reapers, expect the Legion's cold, metallic
claws in your neck.

Yes, let's blame the heretics on everything on Legion's word.  Because he must be telling the truth, right?

AlexXIV wrote...

Well I trust Legion. To a point at least.
And I am curious. TIM isn't much of a mystery to me. A oportunistic
megalomaniac who will be your best friend as long as it serves his
interest and your worst enemy if you cross them.

Well tell me at least that you don't take everything he says at face value.

AgitatedLemon wrote...

1. As I already said, the quarians were hostile to them first. "Do I have a soul" "AHHH! Kill it with fire!"

2. You just said they broke the law, so you contradict yourself.

3. What part of "The heretics are the ones killing intruders", don't you understand?

The Quarians were hostile to a VI turning AI.  AIs are illegal in the ME-verse for whatever reason.  Why do you hate the law?

Ah, not quite.  The Geth were designed as VI and became AI.  Assuming
that the Quarians did not do this intentionally, and there's nothing to
point that they did, they accidently created an AI and when they
discovered this, tried to put them down.

The part where it's been going on for hundreds of years and the "True" Geth
doing nothing to stop them, warn outsiders or do anything other then,
as according to Legion, build a super complex for the Geth.

This doesn't explain how it is the Geth's fault. They did what everyone would have done. Defend themselves. Either it's the Quarians fault because they are their machines or the Council's because their laws discriminate non-organic life. Or intelligence. Or whatever.

Take what at face value? What TIM says or what Legion says? Well one is a human and one is a machine. As far as I know one of them tend to lie alot and the other don't. I wouldn't say I take everything at face value no matter who talks to me. Could be Anderson or Hackett and I still consider the option that they could not be fully honest.

[AgitatedLemon]

mrsph wrote...

And what of it?

Is it not a sin to want to romance The Illusive Man or Kai Leng?

(Okay, I'm done.)

Well, one is a terrorist and a compulsive liar.

The other is a psychopathic xenophobic murderer.

[Ryzaki]

BlueMagitek wrote...
Well, if we're going to take Legion's word on it, the Heretics came to the conclusion that it was good for them.  Now, from my understanding, the Geth were to replace the Keepers, so I would imagine that if there is a supposed division between the Heretics and the True Geth, this would be one of them. 

I mean, Saren was as threatened as everyone else by the Reapers, which is why he was working with them.

I wouldn't put too much trust into Liara either; I can understand she was in a stressful situation, but there was no need for that childish reaction.

And how pray tell does that lead to Legion betraying Shepard? And to whom exactly? Legion has no reason to betray Shepard. None. They're working together to defeat the Reapers and Collectors. Legion doesn't want to control the Reapers or secure geth dominance and he flat out says to Shepard the geth want to be left alone and if organics interfere with that there'll be problems. Again if he's trying to manipulate Shepard why say this?  Why admit to the exeriments of human reaction? Why not pretend he has "feelings" with the N7 armor being strapped to his chest?

Saren was indoctrinated full stop. Of *course* he was working for them.

...That makes Zero sense. She's trying to take down the SB. She sure in hell isn't working for him. Childish or not her working for the SB IS A FLAT OUT LIE.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 janvier 2012 - 01:15 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

To be fair, the quarians didn't realise how far the geth had advanced (to hear Tali tell it). They began destroying the platforms in the hope it would prevent all the geth from becoming sapient. Then the geth retaliated. Then the quarians got their collective arse kicked.

[AgitatedLemon]

Random Jerkface wrote...

To be fair, the quarians didn't realise how far the geth had advanced (to hear Tali tell it). They began destroying the platforms in the hope it would prevent all the geth from becoming sapient. Then the geth retaliated. Then the quarians got their collective arse kicked.

Clearly, it's the geth's fault for not wanting to all die.

[LTiberious]

*with a heavy russian accent* You post bull**** very much.
Whatever gets the job done, comrades.


///

Well, i dislike the idea of Cerberus betraying Shep. But i manage. Still its a bad idea by BW.


But hey, making xenophobes(nationalists irl) the good guys could hurt BW's reputation.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Clearly, it's the geth's fault for not wanting to all die.

You can't seriously be trying to argue that that is what I just wrote.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 22 janvier 2012 - 01:14 .

[Wiggs Magee]

I must admit unless ME3 gives us a pretty solid reason as to why Cerberus have become your enemies i will be slightly annoyed, it just seems to make the entire renegade choice line for the main plot pointless.

[AgitatedLemon]

Random Jerkface wrote...

You can't seriously be trying to argue that that is what I just wrote.

I wasn't.

Y u no sarcasm?

Unless, you ARE saying it's the geth's fault, then yes, I contest that.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 22 janvier 2012 - 01:15 .

[AgitatedLemon]

mrsph wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
Well, one is a terrorist and a compulsive liar.

Does this look like a terroist and compulsive liar to you?

*snip*

Yes, it does.

[TheCreeper]

mrsph wrote...

You can't love your children with cold metal geth arms.

Just because they are inorganic doesn't mean they are any less alive then a Turian or an Asari.

[Ryzaki]

mrsph wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
Well, one is a terrorist and a compulsive liar.

Does this look like a terroist and compulsive liar to you? *snip*

Actually no that looks like a rapist.

[Izhalezan]

mrsph wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
Well, one is a terrorist and a compulsive liar.

Does this look like a terroist and compulsive liar to you?

Looks like he's about to tickle a kitty kat.