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[AlanC9]

TMA LIVE wrote...
If you're the type that doesn't want to get even $1 dollar DLC, then that's you.

But honestly, I don't like the idea of having an optional content not available, just because I don't want to shell out $60 to $200 dollars.

Again, why make it exclusive? And random exclusive at that. Why not allow me to pay for it seperately, while if I bought the figure, I get it for free? Like Cerberus Network? Get it free, or pay 12 dollars? Because these figure don't need an "exclusive" to sell.

The problem is, everything you're saying here makes it sound like making the DLC exclusive will help the figures sell. It's people who care about having all the DLC who give Bio the incentive to do deals like this.

Or on the random business, why not make it design so if I do buy all of them, I get everything? Instead of screwing me over if I still buy all of them?

Yeah, I don't really get the business case for this.

Modifié par AlanC9, 23 janvier 2012 - 07:53 .

[Moondoggie]

CannonLars wrote...


But my point is that this method appeals only to those who want to buy all the figurines. It is most definitely not for everyone. For everyone would be more like offering them for purchase alone, or saying that they will be available to everyone in June.

Unless I am just missing the point. And I'm very serious. I love this series. I have three lithographs hanging on my wall, the books, the collector's editions, etc., but no figurines. Figurines aren't my thing, but they will have to be my pricey thing if I ever hope to have the full range of ME3 content. That stings me and maybe that is my problem, but it comes from loving your series.

You are missing the point. What is the point of offering them as a freebie with the figures and then offering them to everyone anyway? That's like getting fans to invest in figures and then spitting in their face. The free DLC shows apreciation for those who invested in the figures. But you don't want to listen to that because you are being so neurotic and stressed feeling you won;'t have the "complete" game unless you have this content.

You own Lithographs and you feel figures are expensive? Wow.

[AlanC9]

This is exactly what I was talking about:

CannonLars wrote...
Unless I am just missing the point. And I'm very serious. I love this series. I have three lithographs hanging on my wall, the books, the collector's editions, etc., but no figurines. Figurines aren't my thing, but they will have to be my pricey thing if I ever hope to have the full range of ME3 content. That stings me and maybe that is my problem, but it comes from loving your series. I can't imagine I am the only one with this problem.

Lars, you're making the case for exclusive content here.

[Savber100]

I still don't get the issue with DLCs here.

Is just a case of "GOTTA GET THEM ALL" passion clashing with common sense?

[Doctoglethorpe]

People need to look at themselves in a mirror and ask themselves "Do I really give a ****? Does this really matter? Why?"

I bet I know your answer. If I don't, your probably OCD. That's not Bioware's fault. Sorry. =/  No I'm not kidding.

But seriously, ask yourself in a mirror, and I mean really fall into your own pupils and ask yourself with complete sincerity. It can have an amazing effect on your consciousness. I do it all the time with many matters of varying significance.

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 23 janvier 2012 - 07:57 .

[Blacklash93]

My problem is that they're bundling meaningful, in-game content with useless, overpriced figurines that no wallet-respecting wo/man with financial priorities would fork out the cash for. It's a cheap shot at the money of fans who enjoy what this series is really about - the games.

Still, I do agree that it isn't worth fussing over. It's not like we're losing out on much.

[Brownfinger]

Moondoggie wrote...
You own Lithographs and you feel figures are expensive? Wow.

Isn't logic neat?

I'd like more stuff. (MASS EFFECT LEGOS)

[CannonO]

Moondoggie wrote...

CannonLars wrote...


But my point is that this method appeals only to those who want to buy all the figurines. It is most definitely not for everyone. For everyone would be more like offering them for purchase alone, or saying that they will be available to everyone in June.

Unless I am just missing the point. And I'm very serious. I love this series. I have three lithographs hanging on my wall, the books, the collector's editions, etc., but no figurines. Figurines aren't my thing, but they will have to be my pricey thing if I ever hope to have the full range of ME3 content. That stings me and maybe that is my problem, but it comes from loving your series.

You are missing the point. What is the point of offering them as a freebie with the figures and then offering them to everyone anyway? That's like getting fans to invest in figures and then spitting in their face. The free DLC shows apreciation for those who invested in the figures. But you don't want to listen to that because you are being so neurotic and stressed feeling you won;'t have the "complete" game unless you have this content. 

You own Lithographs and you feel figures are expensive? Wow. 

I'm not asking you to judge if you think I can or cannot buy the figures. And if they delayed release or considered the problem of leaving many fans out in the first place, this wouldn't be an issue. Or it would be. Some of us are just crazy.

And I am not stressed abot having a complete game (I don't install DLC on the first playthrough anyways). I am arguing the priniciples. 

AlanC9 wrote...

This is exactly what I was talking about:

CannonLars wrote...
Unless I am just missing the point. And I'm very serious. I love this series. I have three lithographs hanging on my wall, the books, the collector's editions, etc., but no figurines. Figurines aren't my thing, but they will have to be my pricey thing if I ever hope to have the full range of ME3 content. That stings me and maybe that is my problem, but it comes from loving your series. I can't imagine I am the only one with this problem.

Lars, you're making the case for exclusive content here.

I bought my stuff with no DLC exclusives attached...

Modifié par CannonLars, 23 janvier 2012 - 08:01 .

[Brownfinger]

Blacklash93 wrote...

My problem is that they're bundling meaningful, in-game content with useless, overpriced figurines that no wallet-respecting wo/man with financial priorities would fork out the cash for.

It's funny, I'm sure many people say the exact same about a $60 video game.
Different strokes.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Blacklash93 wrote...

My problem is that they're bundling meaningful, in-game content with useless, overpriced figurines that no wallet-respecting wo/man with financial priorities would fork out the cash for. It's a cheap shot at the money of fans who enjoy what this series is really about - the games.

The issue with that stamement is that not everyone thinks the dlc is that meaningful, and not everyone thinks the figurines are worthless.

Nobody can please everybody simultaniously.  People just need to accept that they win some and they lose some.  Something as unimportant to the universe as this is just not worth worrying about for a single second. 

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 23 janvier 2012 - 08:00 .

[Abirn]

Savber100 wrote...

I still don't get the issue with DLCs here.

Is just a case of "GOTTA GET THEM ALL" passion clashing with common sense?

You mock it by claiming its "gotta get them all"  But there is a reason Pokemon was such a successfull game.  Gamers in general  (yes yes I know *(you, reading this) aren't specifically), they are generally completionists.  Meaning for many of us a game is not complete till we have done everything.  It's why you see games giving completion %. 

[Forsythia]

Do I want every piece of DLC that's available? Certainly! Do I think it's a crappy practice of BioWare/EA? Oh yeah! Do I think Chris' response to the issue is cringeworthy? Affirmative! Do I think BioWare is going totally overboard with these promotional items? You bet!

Is it worth my time, my energy and mostly my money to get worked up about it anymore? Not so much.

In all seriousness, these are just some items for multiplayer, something that'll be dead in 6 months anyway. I can deal with it.

[AlanC9]

CannonLars wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

This is exactly what I was talking about:

CannonLars wrote...
Unless I am just missing the point. And I'm very serious. I love this series. I have three lithographs hanging on my wall, the books, the collector's editions, etc., but no figurines. Figurines aren't my thing, but they will have to be my pricey thing if I ever hope to have the full range of ME3 content. That stings me and maybe that is my problem, but it comes from loving your series. I can't imagine I am the only one with this problem.

Lars, you're making the case for exclusive content here.

I bought my stuff with no DLC exclusives attached...

I bolded the part where you make DLC exclusives sound like a good plan. Sounds like they'll make you consider buying the figurines when you wouldn't have otherwise.

If you don't really mean this stuff, you shouldn't post it.

[SovereignWillReturn]

SovereignWillReturn wrote...

Bioware is smart guys, after seeing threads like this, plus they're need to make money, I'll guarantee 100% these extra dlc things will be released on XBOX Marketplace.

It'll be just like GoW3, where you pay money to get skins...for your guns.

^

[LPPrince]

Confirmed in this thread-

Bioware DLCs are in fact Pokémon and you do indeed have to catch them all.

Come on guys, really? I'm not seeing the logic behind those who think its bad that a bonus is given to those who want the figurines.

[SheppardJohn]

I gladly pay 300$ if i have to to have this game xd

[Kilshrek]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Optional or bonus DLC is just that, optional.

I see this complaint a lot and I'm sorry, I do not find it valid. We are not focing you to buy figures or books or whatever to get DLC. We are providing a bonus for those people who buy these tems.

If we were scummy enough to do something like "the only way to finish ME3 is to buy 4 figures, a desktop Normandy, a rifle replica and send me 50 bucks" or whatever, THEN this would be a valid complaint. However, we are NOT doing this.

If you want a Garrus figure, great. You get a little something extra to use in game because you are  fan and you like our products. It is a small reward. If you don't want a Garrus figure, no problem. You get to keep your money and you can still play Mass Effect 3 unimpaired by not having this DLC.

I don't know, it really does seem to be about the principle of the thing here Chris. You(Bioware) should know that your community has completionists, just like any other, and to them surely this is some sort of slap in the face. Where it was merely Dr Pepper cans(again, America, nowhere else) now it's action figures. The cost of buying in seems to go higher with each game.

I call this a slippery slope, and who knows what marketing will want us to buy in the future to get the "complete" experience, because it's all well and good to say that your core experience isn't affected, but just as Zaeed and Kasumi weren't integral to ME 2, the experience would have been poorer without them.

[Forsythia]

Maybe if was shown what these items are, people would ease up a bit. Now it's just vague, a 'skin' could be anything, from a recolouring to a playable Garrus in multiplayer. I can imagine the outrage if it turns out to be the latter.

[AlanC9]

Kilshrek wrote...
....because it's all well and good to say that your core experience isn't affected, but just as Zaeed and Kasumi weren't integral to ME 2, the experience would have been poorer without them.

Well, duh. If a DLC didn't add something to the experience, who'd buy it?

Besides completionists, I guess.

Edit: as for the general point, I don't think the completionists are worth worrying about. Too few and too silly.

Modifié par AlanC9, 23 janvier 2012 - 08:35 .

[LPPrince]

People fail to realize that this promotion is NOT for everyone, its for those who specifically want the figurines.

I don't know why that's so hard for some to understand.

[Savber100]

Abirn wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

I still don't get the issue with DLCs here.

Is just a case of "GOTTA GET THEM ALL" passion clashing with common sense?

You mock it by claiming its "gotta get them all"  But there is a reason Pokemon was such a successfull game.  Gamers in general  (yes yes I know *(you, reading this) aren't specifically), they are generally completionists.  Meaning for many of us a game is not complete till we have done everything.  It's why you see games giving completion %. 

That was mocking to you? Oh boy... 

Anyways, as I said, this issue of passion and OCD is exactly why DLC exists. Common sense will dictate that you just don't buy them if you don't want them. 

Extra stuff is simply the extra 10% of the original 100%. If they have stripped away the ending and offered it to me as DLC for $10, I would agree with the rage but I don't see it as of now. 

[Brownfinger]

Kilshrek wrote...

I don't know, it really does seem to be about the principle of the thing here Chris. You(Bioware) should know that your community has completionists, just like any other, and to them surely this is some sort of slap in the face.

Pump the brakes.
So, they should shun a chance to make money and reward fans of their product because they have a responsibility to save the wallets of their fans that have OCD ?

Wow. I, just.... wow.
Why bother selling shirts or any other merchandise, ever? You have to think of the fans and their poor bank accounts, that should take priority over any desire for profit or expressed affection to the passionate and loyal.

We need some drug tests in this thread, stat.

[Xerxes52]

Forsythia wrote...

Maybe if was shown what these items are, people would ease up a bit. Now it's just vague, a 'skin' could be anything, from a recolouring to a playable Garrus in multiplayer. I can imagine the outrage if it turns out to be the latter.

This. Everybody is getting so freaked out about this DLC, but we don't even know what it is.

I'll be waiting on confirmation on what sort if content it will be before I make a judgment.

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

Guess I'm saving up 120$. I have every single DLC ever made for ME2... and I wanna do the same for ME3.. Well on the bright side... I wanted the figures anyway.

[Abirn]

Savber100 wrote...

Abirn wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

I still don't get the issue with DLCs here.

Is just a case of "GOTTA GET THEM ALL" passion clashing with common sense?

You mock it by claiming its "gotta get them all"  But there is a reason Pokemon was such a successfull game.  Gamers in general  (yes yes I know *(you, reading this) aren't specifically), they are generally completionists.  Meaning for many of us a game is not complete till we have done everything.  It's why you see games giving completion %. 

That was mocking to you? Oh boy... 

Anyways, as I said, this issue of passion and OCD is exactly why DLC exists. Common sense will dictate that you just don't buy them if you don't want them. 

Extra stuff is simply the extra 10% of the original 100%. If they have stripped away the ending and offered it to me as DLC for $10, I would agree with the rage but I don't see it as of now. 

I heard it was extra characters that were being shipped as this specific DLC,  can't you see the outrage if extra characters are the dlc?  That would be a HUGE part of the game.  While I generally agree costume changes are silly, when it comes to missions and squadmates that is a HUGE part of the game.