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[Chris Priestly]

Kilshrek wrote...

I don't know, it really does seem to be about the principle of the thing here Chris. You(Bioware) should know that your community has completionists, just like any other, and to them surely this is some sort of slap in the face. Where it was merely Dr Pepper cans(again, America, nowhere else) now it's action figures. The cost of buying in seems to go higher with each game.

I call this a slippery slope, and who knows what marketing will want us to buy in the future to get the "complete" experience, because it's all well and good to say that your core experience isn't affected, but just as Zaeed and Kasumi weren't integral to ME 2, the experience would have been poorer without them.

Well, the other side of this coin is that we should deny free DLC items to those people who aren't completionists, but do support our products by buying toys, art, comics, etc. While I know there are completionists out there, there are far more of the other people, who aren't completionists, but buy a single or couple of pieces they are interested in. And I think it is better to reward thos people, who may also include the completionists, than exclude them because they are not completionists.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 23 janvier 2012 - 09:02 .

[Poison_Berrie]

CannonLars wrote...
But my point is that this method appeals only to those who want to buy all the figurines. It is most definitely not for everyone. 

Which is exactly the point. 
This is a thank you to those who buy the figurines.

Let's say you are in a supermarket and there's a butcher in it. You don't need anything from the butcher. Are you going to cry foul when a customer that does get something from the butcher gets a slice of sausage as a thank you and you didn't have the option to just pay for a slice?

Kilshrek wrote...
I don't know, it really does seem to be about the principle of the thing here Chris. You(Bioware) should know that your community has completionists, just like any other, and to them surely this is some sort of slap in the face. Where it was merely Dr Pepper cans(again, America, nowhere else) now it's action figures. The cost of buying in seems to go higher with each game.

There's a lot of people who want one thing or another from Bioware for this game. Should they go out of their way, bend over backwards and please every single one of them. 
If you are seriously considering buying this stuff solely for the thank you gift, I think you have to consider you are a few paces away from being a compuslive hoarder.

I call this a slippery slope, and who knows what marketing will want us to buy in the future to get the "complete" experience, because it's all well and good to say that your core experience isn't affected, but just as Zaeed and Kasumi weren't integral to ME 2, the experience would have been poorer without them.

I'd say Kasumi and Zaeed enriched my experience, but they certainly did not make the experience without them poorer.

Modifié par Poison_Berrie, 23 janvier 2012 - 09:08 .

[Brownfinger]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Well, the other side of this coin
is that we should deny free DLC items to those people who aren't
completionists, but do support our products by buying toys, art, comics,
etc. While I know there are completionists out there, there are far
more of the other people, who aren't completionists, but buy a single or
couple of pieces they are interested in. And I think it is better to
reward thos people, who may also include the completionists, than
exclude them because they are not completionists.

Hey, Chris, I have a question.
How were the molds and rights to distribute the toys wrested from DC Direct after the toy line became defunct?

Is there any insight you can give into the process? Because the line was dead, buried for months, then miraculously revived. It sounds like a lot of work and collaboration went on behind the scenes. And I, for one, would love to know who to thank and how it happened.

Modifié par Brownfinger, 23 janvier 2012 - 09:03 .

[LPPrince]

I'm starting to think this is a case of someone wanting something they can't have even though they can, if they felt the need to shell out enough money for the figurines.

But that's beyond their scope, so fouls are called.

[Chris Priestly]

Brownfinger wrote...

Hey, Chris, I have a question.
How were the molds and rights to distribute the toys wrested from DC Direct after the toy line became defunct?

Sorry, all that would be done by our Biz Dev team. I really have no idea.

[Gold Dragon]

Maybe it would be interesting to get one of those DLC figurines if it included Femshep...

Modifié par A Golden Dragon, 23 janvier 2012 - 09:05 .

[Wulfram]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Well, the other side of this coin is that we should deny free DLC items to those people who aren't completionists, but do support our products by buying toys, art, comics, etc. While I know there are completionists out there, there are far more of the other people, who aren't completionists, but buy a single or couple of pieces they are interested in. And I think it is better to reward thos people, who may also include the completionists, than exclude them because they are not completionists.

Um, how are the buyers of the horrible overpriced tat hurt by there being other means of acquiring the "bonus" DLC?

[Zkyire]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Kilshrek wrote...

I don't know, it really does seem to be about the principle of the thing here Chris. You(Bioware) should know that your community has completionists, just like any other, and to them surely this is some sort of slap in the face. Where it was merely Dr Pepper cans(again, America, nowhere else) now it's action figures. The cost of buying in seems to go higher with each game.

I call this a slippery slope, and who knows what marketing will want us to buy in the future to get the "complete" experience, because it's all well and good to say that your core experience isn't affected, but just as Zaeed and Kasumi weren't integral to ME 2, the experience would have been poorer without them.

Well, the other side of this coin is that we should deny free DLC items to those people who aren't completionists, but do support our products by buying toys, art, comics, etc. While I know there are completionists out there, there are far more of the other people, who aren't completionists, but buy a single or couple of pieces they are interested in. And I think it is better to reward thos people, who may also include the completionists, than exclude them because they are not completionists.

Can I ask, why not simply make the DLC available for download?

Like, sure, the specific DLC is free with the toys.

But why not also make it available to buy online or whatever for a price?

We want to buy it.

[Revelat0]

Zkyire wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Kilshrek wrote...

I don't know, it really does seem to be about the principle of the thing here Chris. You(Bioware) should know that your community has completionists, just like any other, and to them surely this is some sort of slap in the face. Where it was merely Dr Pepper cans(again, America, nowhere else) now it's action figures. The cost of buying in seems to go higher with each game.

I call this a slippery slope, and who knows what marketing will want us to buy in the future to get the "complete" experience, because it's all well and good to say that your core experience isn't affected, but just as Zaeed and Kasumi weren't integral to ME 2, the experience would have been poorer without them.

Well, the other side of this coin is that we should deny free DLC items to those people who aren't completionists, but do support our products by buying toys, art, comics, etc. While I know there are completionists out there, there are far more of the other people, who aren't completionists, but buy a single or couple of pieces they are interested in. And I think it is better to reward thos people, who may also include the completionists, than exclude them because they are not completionists.

Can I ask, why not simply make the DLC available for download?

Like, sure, the specific DLC is free with the toys.

But why not also make it available to buy online or whatever for a price?

We want to buy it.

Because then who would buy the figurines? But I do agree I will certainly buy the DLC if they sell it.

Modifié par Revelat0, 23 janvier 2012 - 09:11 .

[LPPrince]

Okay, new hypothetical scenario-

Bioware has a DLC item they will reward to those who completed the entire trilogy.

PS3ers and those who just happened to not complete the whole series are miffed.

They want that item. They won't get it. Why? Its not for them. Its for those who completed the trilogy.

Simple, easy to understand(although I bet they'd do something for PS3ers).

Same thing here-

Those items are not for everyone, they are for the people who want and get the figurines(which in total are quite pricey).

Complaining about not being able to get them in another fashion doesn't help anyone.

[Zkyire]

LPPrince wrote...

Okay, new hypothetical scenario-

Bioware has a DLC item they will reward to those who completed the entire trilogy.

PS3ers and those who just happened to not complete the whole series are miffed.

They want that item. They won't get it. Why? Its not for them. Its for those who completed the trilogy.

Simple, easy to understand(although I bet they'd do something for PS3ers).

Same thing here-

Those items are not for everyone, they are for the people who want and get the figurines(which in total are quite pricey).

Complaining about not being able to get them in another fashion doesn't help anyone.

That would make sense if we were expecting them for free.

But we're willing to pay Bioware money for them.

[rolson00]

wow how about i give you my phone numba that way you'll be able to meet me before you screw me, what ever happened to the third date rule?

[Zkyire]

Revelat0 wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Kilshrek wrote...

I don't know, it really does seem to be about the principle of the thing here Chris. You(Bioware) should know that your community has completionists, just like any other, and to them surely this is some sort of slap in the face. Where it was merely Dr Pepper cans(again, America, nowhere else) now it's action figures. The cost of buying in seems to go higher with each game.

I call this a slippery slope, and who knows what marketing will want us to buy in the future to get the "complete" experience, because it's all well and good to say that your core experience isn't affected, but just as Zaeed and Kasumi weren't integral to ME 2, the experience would have been poorer without them.

Well, the other side of this coin is that we should deny free DLC items to those people who aren't completionists, but do support our products by buying toys, art, comics, etc. While I know there are completionists out there, there are far more of the other people, who aren't completionists, but buy a single or couple of pieces they are interested in. And I think it is better to reward thos people, who may also include the completionists, than exclude them because they are not completionists.

Can I ask, why not simply make the DLC available for download?

Like, sure, the specific DLC is free with the toys.

But why not also make it available to buy online or whatever for a price?

We want to buy it.

Because then who would buy the figurines? But I do agree I will certainly buy the DLC if they sell it.

Well, it may dissuade some people from buying it, but the people who are interested in the toys will buy them regardless.

And if the DLC is sold seperately, then that'd likely make up the sales difference.

[nelly21]

rolson00 wrote...

wow how about i give you my phone numba that way you'll be able to meet me before you screw me, what ever happened to the third date rule?

Um...what?

[LPPrince]

Doesn't matter if you're willing to pay for them. They are a free reward/gift.

If someone gives someone else a gift, you don't just go, "I want it too, gimme gimme gimme" and throw money in their face expecting to get it.

Should Bioware release it later for everyone, thats wonderful. To expect it to be released for everyone around the time of the figurines' releases would be crazy.

[rolson00]

nelly21 wrote...

rolson00 wrote...

wow how about i give you my phone numba that way you'll be able to meet me before you screw me, what ever happened to the third date rule?

Um...what?

well i'd like to know whos screwing me otherwise its just rape.

[AlanC9]

Bio's not going to tell us what their deal with the figurine manufacturer is. Conceivably, the deal could require that the DLC not be sold separately, or at least held off the market for a while. If I was making the figures, that's what I'd want. The whole point of having DLC with the figures is to sell the figures, so the manufacturer of the figures wants the DLC to be unavailable elsewhere.

[dcal31]

At the risk of bringing a reasonable suggestion to a doom and gloom thread, why not get the best of both worlds? Why not give the DLC to those who buy the figures free and then release in a few weeks (or months) later as a paid DLC for everyone else? If the point, as you said Chris, is to reward people who buy the figures, not to punish the completionists, then this seems to be a win-win situation. Figure collectors get the shiny new DLC and completionists get to sit and grumble, but the freaking out stops because they know it will be released to everyone eventually. Additionally, by any math I use, it seems that the company would stand to make more money this way (a plus for you, I'm assuming), as by any numbers I can look up, far more people purchase DLC than would buy the figures.

Unless of coarse the objective is not to reward those who would would buy the figures anyways, but rather to lure in those who have more money (or loyalty) than brains. Chris, if you read this, please realize that this is not a personal slight to you, just how this could look to an outside observer. So, if your reading this, could you please tell us, will the DLC bundled with these figures ever be released to the general game owners for purchase or otherwise?

Modifié par dcal31, 23 janvier 2012 - 09:26 .

[rolson00]

AlanC9 wrote...

Bio's not going to tell us what their deal with the figurine manufacturer is. Conceivably, the deal could require that the DLC not be sold separately, or at least held off the market for a while. If I was making the figures, that's what I'd want. The whole point of having DLC with the figures is to sell the figures, so the manufacturer of the figures wants the DLC to be unavailable elsewhere.

most of us are adults why would we want a childs toy?

[AlanC9]

Exactly, rolson00. They want to give those of us who don't have a fondness for silly stuff like figurines an incentive to buy them.

Modifié par AlanC9, 23 janvier 2012 - 09:29 .

[RDSFirebane]

So I'm fine with the whole toy idea are those of us who have no use or want for the toys going to be able to just buy the dlc later on?

[Iamnotahater]

I don't like the idea of paid DLC period. Especially content that was withheld at launch to milk their customers out of even more money then games currently cost.

It used to be back in the day that developers only released expansion packs with content that was impactful because they needed for it to sell at traditional boxed retailers (usually around half the price of the regular game and half the length...30 bucks or so).

With the rise of digital distribution that same content is now sliced and diced into a thousand pieces and sold individually for 5-6 bucks a pop.

All of Mass Effect 2 DLC was what 10 hours? Mass Effect 2 was what 20 hours? How much did all that DLC cost?

The idea the developers like Bioware are charging more (DLC) and you are getting more is folly. I remember the old expansion packs. We are not getting more content. All we are doing is getting ripped off.

Modifié par Iamnotahater, 23 janvier 2012 - 09:31 .

[nelly21]

rolson00 wrote...

well i'd like to know whos screwing me otherwise its just rape.

oooooook.

So, if I understand correctly, you are equating giving a reward to people who buy the figures to rape?

Please tell me I understand your point.