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[LPPrince]

Just like action figures and figurines are also sold and marketed towards adults, like THESE, for example?

[implodinggoat]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Well, the other side of this coin is that we should deny free DLC items to those people who aren't completionists, but do support our products by buying toys, art, comics, etc. While I know there are completionists out there, there are far more of the other people, who aren't completionists, but buy a single or couple of pieces they are interested in. And I think it is better to reward thos people, who may also include the completionists, than exclude them because they are not completionists.

I don't think anyone has a problem with a cross promotion that gives the people who buy other liscenced products a nice little bonus.

What we have a problem with is EXCLUSIVITY.   Namely the fact that there is no other way to get these nice little bonuses without spending an exorbitant amount of money on them buying toys.

I don't collect toys Chris; but I want all the in game Mass Effect content I can get my hands on and I'm willing to pay a reasonable sum for that content.   Why should I as a consumer be marginalized?

PS:  I don't collect toys; but I do collect Pez dispensers.  Got any plans to release a line of Mass Effect Pez dispensers so that I can get in on this cross promotional content?

Modifié par implodinggoat, 23 janvier 2012 - 11:08 .

[King Minos]

Pepper4 wrote...

King Minos wrote...

I don't know why people even buy toys after they have gone through puberty. I stopped playing with all my toys, including my amazing collection of Bionicle's at 12.

I loved these! I had 9 figures or so... Including this huge Exo-Toah thing (I think thats the name).

That's nothing.

I brought the entire first set, then the entire second set, then the entire third set and the entire forth set then puberty ruined my childhood.

Don't listen to LPPrince, he is just trying to convert us into Bronies.

Modifié par King Minos, 23 janvier 2012 - 10:22 .

[RDSFirebane]

King Minos wrote...

The fluffy Tiger is wearing a clothing, signs of a intelligent being. And Tigers are graceful creatures.

And if I remeber right that pic is from Never winter nights which is based off of DnD which is primarly a game popular with the older crowd whats with all this only young people play games stuff? My father still bums games off me to see if their worth buying or not. vice versa

[CannonO]

Pepper4 wrote...

King Minos wrote...

I don't know why people even buy toys after they have gone through puberty. I stopped playing with all my toys, including my amazing collection of Bionicle's at 12.

I loved these! I had 9 figures or so... Including this huge Exo-Toah thing (I think thats the name).

That was an amazing toy line. It hit right when I got tired of non-violent Legos. Suddenly those bladed bada** guys flew in.

[CannonO]

implodinggoat wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Well, the other side of this coin is that we should deny free DLC items to those people who aren't completionists, but do support our products by buying toys, art, comics, etc. While I know there are completionists out there, there are far more of the other people, who aren't completionists, but buy a single or couple of pieces they are interested in. And I think it is better to reward thos people, who may also include the completionists, than exclude them because they are not completionists.

I don't think anyone has a problem with a cross promotion that gives the people who buy other liscenced products a nice little bonus.

What we have a problem with is EXCLUSIVITY.   Namely the fact that there is no other way to get these nice little bonuses without spending an exorbitant amount of money on them buying toys.

I don't collect toys Chris; but I want all the in game Mass Effect content I can get my hands on and I'm willing to pay a reasonable sum for that content.   Why should I as a consumer be marginalized?

This is what I'm saying. The biggest crowd losing out here isn't the figurine crowd, Chris. It is everyone who doesn't buy the figurines and then is no longer able to access the content by any means.


You guys are going to make a mess of eBay at launch with the amount of different exclusives that you have tucked away from people.

[implodinggoat]

felipejiraya wrote...

They'll release it for download to everyone in the near future, chill out.

That's all I want and I don't expect them to release it for free.   Just put a reasonable price tag on these items and sell them seperately and I'll be satisfied, same goes for all the pre-order incentives and other such cross promotional stuff.

[King Minos]

CannonLars wrote...

Pepper4 wrote...

King Minos wrote...

I don't know why people even buy toys after they have gone through puberty. I stopped playing with all my toys, including my amazing collection of Bionicle's at 12.

I loved these! I had 9 figures or so... Including this huge Exo-Toah thing (I think thats the name).

That was an amazing toy line. It hit right when I got tired of non-violent Legos. Suddenly those bladed bada** guys flew in.

I loved my Harry Potter and Star Wars Lego.

[CannonO]

implodinggoat wrote...

felipejiraya wrote...

They'll release it for download to everyone in the near future, chill out.

That's all I want and I don't expect them to release it for free.   Just put a reasonable price tag on these items and sell them seperately and I'll be satisfied, same goes for all the pre-order incentives and other such cross promotional stuff.

We can't rely on that because they won't say it. They care more now about twisting ways for people to buy more Mass Effect merchandise instead of providing an even playing field for fans of the core of the franchise, the game and experience of Shepard.

[100k]

Zkyire wrote...

Revelat0 wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Kilshrek wrote...

I don't know, it really does seem to be about the principle of the thing here Chris. You(Bioware) should know that your community has completionists, just like any other, and to them surely this is some sort of slap in the face. Where it was merely Dr Pepper cans(again, America, nowhere else) now it's action figures. The cost of buying in seems to go higher with each game.

I call this a slippery slope, and who knows what marketing will want us to buy in the future to get the "complete" experience, because it's all well and good to say that your core experience isn't affected, but just as Zaeed and Kasumi weren't integral to ME 2, the experience would have been poorer without them.

Well, the other side of this coin is that we should deny free DLC items to those people who aren't completionists, but do support our products by buying toys, art, comics, etc. While I know there are completionists out there, there are far more of the other people, who aren't completionists, but buy a single or couple of pieces they are interested in. And I think it is better to reward thos people, who may also include the completionists, than exclude them because they are not completionists.

Can I ask, why not simply make the DLC available for download?

Like, sure, the specific DLC is free with the toys.

But why not also make it available to buy online or whatever for a price?

We want to buy it.

Because then who would buy the figurines? But I do agree I will certainly buy the DLC if they sell it.

Well, it may dissuade some people from buying it, but the people who are interested in the toys will buy them regardless.

And if the DLC is sold seperately, then that'd likely make up the sales difference.

One thing to remember here is that the DLC in ME2 was all eventually made available (at least on PC and PSN). So its not unreasonable to think that after a year well probably be able to DL the DLC.

...another year for full game content...

:(:(

[100k]

I agree with the majority of people here though. There is no way in hell I want to touch a stupid action figure JUST for some DLC.

I knew that DLC was a slippery slope...but this is a straight drop-off.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

LPPrince wrote...

Just like action figures and figurines are also sold and marketed towards adults, like THESE, for example?

For a second there I thought bioware added MLP emotocons.

[King Minos]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Just like action figures and figurines are also sold and marketed towards adults, like THESE, for example?

For a second there I thought bioware added MLP emotocons.

That would be horrible.

[Poison_Berrie]

Iamnotahater wrote...
I don't like the idea of paid DLC period. Especially content that was withheld at launch to milk their customers out of even more money then games currently cost.

 
And you know this how? 
I wonder did games before DLC never get anything cut, is it that the arrival of DLC has given developers tools that makes all their ideas and features get into the game no matter and that has made them turn to DLC or have they continued cutting content and assining it to designer hell, while they cut regular content for DLC?

Iamnotahater wrote...

So I have to pay over 270 dollars for a bunch of "dolls" on top of my preorder in order to get the full ME3 experience?

No thanks. Preorder canceled. I'll buy it used or just rent it.

No that 270 dollars is just for the figurines. 
You got the full ME 3 experience with the pre-order.

 

Lucas1987Dion wrote...

So that means if I want mission for my ME2 squad I must buy all this sh**?

No because those DLC are not going to be missions. Most of it is probably MP stuff, equipment and upgrades for free, because you can never have enoug cheat items thrown at you before hand.

Modifié par Poison_Berrie, 23 janvier 2012 - 10:48 .

[Brownfinger]

My girlfriend loved the Star Wars and Harry Potter Lego games so much that I bought her the Pirates of the Caribbean Lego game two weeks ago. And she's 21.

No one is going to convince anyone to see the error of their ways. Being stubborn is probably an attributing factor. If you lacked perspective before, I doubt that it's going to suddenly dawn on you. The message from the beginning is still valid - don't like them, don't buy them. If you want to feed the beast, then by all means do. It helps out the brand, and it helps those of us who enjoy all of the awesome stuff on the side.

If you're going to pay begrudgingly, then you don't have a leg to stand on. Because they have your money. As I suggested before, there's still value to be had in selling opened figures in the secondary market. Whether they be from customizers, or people looking for cheap toys.
I'm sure there's someone out there who will prowl eBay for cheap Mass Effect toys, so they can repaint Garrus, Tali, and Shepard into glorious pink and white Phoenix armor variants from Mass Effect 1.

[CannonO]

Brownfinger wrote...

My girlfriend loved the Star Wars and Harry Potter Lego games so much that I bought her the Pirates of the Caribbean Lego game two weeks ago. And she's 21.

No one is going to convince anyone to see the error of their ways. Being stubborn is probably an attributing factor. If you lacked perspective before, I doubt that it's going to suddenly dawn on you. The message from the beginning is still valid - don't like them, don't buy them. If you want to feed the beast, then by all means do. It helps out the brand, and it helps those of us who enjoy all of the awesome stuff on the side.

If you're going to pay begrudgingly, then you don't have a leg to stand on. Because they have your money. As I suggested before, there's still value to be had in selling opened figures in the secondary market. Whether they be from customizers, or people looking for cheap toys.
I'm sure there's someone out there who will prowl eBay for cheap Mass Effect toys, so they can repaint Garrus, Tali, and Shepard into glorious pink and white Phoenix armor variants from Mass Effect 1.

BLERGH!

See bolded:

You are telling people that not liking the method means they should pretend the content doesn't exist and that they don't want it. That doesn't make sense. We are fans, so saying "don't like it, don't buy it" doesn't apply here. If you showed someone Mass Effect for the first time, then you could say that. But we are invested, so we have a high interest in this issue.

Read some of my older posts as this has come up before.

[Lord Jaric]

From what I'm getting the dlcs are just weapons and other little things, so I don't really see what the big deal is, if someone buys an item and gets something a little extra for their purchase I guess that is fair for them.

Now if it was some big aditional mission then I would be some what upset

Modifié par Lord Jaric, 23 janvier 2012 - 11:01 .

[Brownfinger]

CannonLars wrote...

Brownfinger wrote...

My girlfriend loved the Star Wars and Harry Potter Lego games so much that I bought her the Pirates of the Caribbean Lego game two weeks ago. And she's 21.

No one is going to convince anyone to see the error of their ways. Being stubborn is probably an attributing factor. If you lacked perspective before, I doubt that it's going to suddenly dawn on you. The message from the beginning is still valid - don't like them, don't buy them. If you want to feed the beast, then by all means do. It helps out the brand, and it helps those of us who enjoy all of the awesome stuff on the side.

If you're going to pay begrudgingly, then you don't have a leg to stand on. Because they have your money. As I suggested before, there's still value to be had in selling opened figures in the secondary market. Whether they be from customizers, or people looking for cheap toys.
I'm sure there's someone out there who will prowl eBay for cheap Mass Effect toys, so they can repaint Garrus, Tali, and Shepard into glorious pink and white Phoenix armor variants from Mass Effect 1.

BLERGH!

See bolded:

You are telling people that not liking the method means they should pretend the content doesn't exist and that they don't want it. That doesn't make sense. We are fans, so saying "don't like it, don't buy it" doesn't apply here. If you showed someone Mass Effect for the first time, then you could say that. But we are invested, so we have a high interest in this issue.

Read some of my older posts as this has come up before.

Are extra skins for multiplayer and a few guns *really* going to enrich your Mass Effect experience substantially? Do you even like multiplayer? Most of the more vocal fans, like yourself, seem to hate it.
Is a game worth fussing this much over?

People should take a hard look in the mirror before they trash someone for their hobbies and interests.

And yes, "don't like it, don't buy it" does apply. Sorry. Being a fan doesn't qualify any of the fringe stuff as essential. It doesn't. You see that, right? I feel like I'm talking to an alcoholic. You don't need an extra gun or a slightly less muave Salarian skin to complete you. Would you buy a Sovereign home pregnancy test?

[AlanC9]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

And you know this how? 
I wonder did games before DLC never get anything cut, is it that the arrival of DLC has given developers tools that makes all their ideas and features get into the game no matter and that has made them turn to DLC or have they continued cutting content and assining it to designer hell, while they cut regular content for DLC?

It's unlikely that they're cutting regular content for early DLC. Bio project management isn't stupid enough to forget to put the DLC in their production plans.

Though I suppose you could just have a blank space for post-release DLC, and fill that space with whatever you have to cut from the initial release to make your ship date. I haven't seen too many production plans like that, though -- for some reason everyone likes to pretend that everything in a plan will be made on schedule, even if that never has happened and never will happen.

Modifié par AlanC9, 23 janvier 2012 - 11:02 .

[Fasty1]

but chris what if the dlc items are vastly superior to items that you would get if you didnt buy any DLC? That would be dissapointing since basically you guys are saying that if customers DONT buy dlc they would have to settle for inferior items.

[AlanC9]

CannonLars wrote...


You are telling people that not liking the method means they should pretend the content doesn't exist and that they don't want it. That doesn't make sense. We are fans, so saying "don't like it, don't buy it" doesn't apply here. If you showed someone Mass Effect for the first time, then you could say that. But we are invested, so we have a high interest in this issue.

You sure that's what people are telling you? What I thought people are telling you is that you should either go ahead and buy the damn figurines, or accept that the DLC from those figurines is not worth buying.

[Poison_Berrie]

AlanC9 wrote...
It's unlikely that they're cutting regular content for early DLC. Bio project management isn't stupid enough to forget to put the DLC in their production plans.

Though I suppose you could just have a blank space for post-release DLC, and fill that space with whatever you have to cut from the initial release to make your ship date.

My point was that it was rather silly (of the person I quoted) to think that all this stuff was directly cut out of the game and then packaged and sold as a DLC, when there's a treasure trove of stuff that doesn't make the cut you can repurpose. 

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Fasty1 wrote...

but chris what if the dlc items are vastly superior to items that you would get if you didnt buy any DLC? That would be dissapointing since basically you guys are saying that if customers DONT buy dlc they would have to settle for inferior items.

Feel proud in actually progressing through the game as intended? Feel acomplished when the new weapon you found actually is better than the previous one, rather than the overpowered freeby you got at the start?

Modifié par Poison_Berrie, 23 janvier 2012 - 11:08 .

[DiebytheSword]

I see what they did here, and I really don't plan on participating.

[AlanC9]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
It's unlikely that they're cutting regular content for early DLC. Bio project management isn't stupid enough to forget to put the DLC in their production plans.

Though I suppose you could just have a blank space for post-release DLC, and fill that space with whatever you have to cut from the initial release to make your ship date.

My point was that it was rather silly (of the person I quoted) to think that all this stuff was directly cut out of the game and then packaged and sold as a DLC, when there's a treasure trove of stuff that doesn't make the cut you can repurpose. 

Gotcha. Absolutely. I don't think any RPG has ever shipped without tons of cuts to content. 

[AlanC9]

DiebytheSword wrote...

I see what they did here, and I really don't plan on participating.

Neither do I. I've only seen a couple of people who say they will buy the stuff.