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[implodinggoat]

Moondoggie wrote...

There were always complainers. That is what people do. Other people can't seem to stand the fact Bioware is no longer the little indie company that makes games for the PC and feel the need to whine about everything they do while pushing themselves further up the backside of CD Projekt who are an indie company that make games for PC only. Funny how fickle loyalty can be. All you need to do is get popular and grow your company and fans will hate you and turn to the next small company they find.

That's a fair point and I'll agree that a lot of people labeled them as sell outs with little justification after EA bought them and that success does indeed seem to invoke this sort of criticism.  But; its things like this and the retailer exlcusive DLC and the exclusive squadmate in the Collector's edition which throw fuel on the flames.   There will always be complainers; but if Bioware fuels their arguments with actions like this then their cynicism spreads to the general populace.

More care needs to be taken in preserving the reputation of the brand.

[Abirn]

Lord Jaric wrote...

For crying out loud, is a few guns and skins really worth complaining about, hell I would of like gamestops pre-order bonus for ME2 but I'm not complaining because its not worth it, it was just armor and a gun, not that big of an impact on the entire game.

Apparenlty it isn't just some guns and skins but new characters/squadmates.....

[implodinggoat]

Abirn wrote...

Apparenlty it isn't just some guns and skins but new characters/squadmates.....

You're definitely wrong there.   From what I heard its all multiplayer content.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 24 janvier 2012 - 12:33 .

[TheCreeper]

New characters for MP, probably just reskins. Not something remotely needed to complete the game.

[Lord Jaric]

CannonLars wrote...

Lord Jaric wrote...

For crying out loud, is a few guns and skins really worth complaining about, hell I would of like gamestops pre-order bonus for ME2 but I'm not complaining because its not worth it, it was just armor and a gun, not that big of an impact on the entire game.

It's worth it when it is Mass Effect.

In other words your being greedy and want everything.

[CannonO]

felipejiraya wrote...

CannonLars wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

felipejiraya wrote...

They'll release it for download to everyone in the near future, chill out.

That's all I want and I don't expect them to release it for free.   Just put a reasonable price tag on these items and sell them seperately and I'll be satisfied, same goes for all the pre-order incentives and other such cross promotional stuff.

We can't rely on that because they won't say it. They care more now about twisting ways for people to buy more Mass Effect merchandise instead of providing an even playing field for fans of the core of the franchise, the game and experience of Shepard.

This DLCs on the action figures is the same strategy they've done with the Dr. Pepper promotional content on ME2.

First it will be exclusive and weeks after the release they made it available to everyone in a $2 pack.

To this day we still don't have access to some of the ME2 exclusive content on marketplace.

Lord Jaric wrote...

CannonLars wrote...

Lord Jaric wrote...

For crying out loud, is a few guns and skins really worth complaining about, hell I would of like gamestops pre-order bonus for ME2 but I'm not complaining because its not worth it, it was just armor and a gun, not that big of an impact on the entire game.

It's worth it when it is Mass Effect.

In other words your being greedy and want everything.

Wanting to have this content because it matters to me and my time with Mass Effect is not the same as greed.

Modifié par CannonLars, 24 janvier 2012 - 12:37 .

[Stanley Woo]

Lord Aesir wrote...
I'm sorry but the argument that all DLC is stuff ripped from the base game is a bit dated.  These items were never in the game, they were concieved of for promotional purposes.  Why would you worry yourself for a few extra guns anyway?

Generally, it's because people want everything, but don't want to have to work at it or pay for it. I get it, sure, but everyone has to make their own decision to buy or not buy any product, no matter what it is. The fact that DLC, microtransactions, and subscription based content is now forcing people to either make more of those decisions or make them more often.

Trust me. If consumers didn't demonstrate a general enthusiasm for buying content in this fashion, it wouldn't be used so often. But companies do it because it works. And it works because companies offer it. You can feel free to object to the practice by simply choosing not to buy in that way, and if enough people do that, then maybe it would become unpopular and the practice will eventually stop. That's the power you have as a consumer.

[Shepherd10]

Chris Priestly wrote...

CannonLars wrote...

But I really want the downloads... Stop with stupid "You don't have to buy it" arguments. I am a fan, I can not just pretend this never existed.

Well, sorry, but this is your problem. Don't get me wrong, I love and appreciate that you want everything because you care about the game so much. But having all the weapons, or all the armor or all the X (keeping in mind we have not announced all the DLC for ME3 yet, X could be anything) is not required, but optional.

That you want what is optional is awesome, but do not blame us for trying to promote our games and products to everyone instead of just you (and by you I mean you all who feel this way, not you as in you).

Fair enough Chris, fair enough. My only problem is that it's been hinted that the DLC with these figures will be random. So if I choose to buy the Miranda and Garrus figures so that I can play as them in the ME3 multiplayer, but instead end up getting some random armor or gun I don't care about, then I'm screwed. Is that about right?

[CannonO]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...
I'm sorry but the argument that all DLC is stuff ripped from the base game is a bit dated.  These items were never in the game, they were concieved of for promotional purposes.  Why would you worry yourself for a few extra guns anyway?

Generally, it's because people want everything, but don't want to have to work at it or pay for it. I get it, sure, but everyone has to make their own decision to buy or not buy any product, no matter what it is. The fact that DLC, microtransactions, and subscription based content is now forcing people to either make more of those decisions or make them more often.

Trust me. If consumers didn't demonstrate a general enthusiasm for buying content in this fashion, it wouldn't be used so often. But companies do it because it works. And it works because companies offer it. You can feel free to object to the practice by simply choosing not to buy in that way, and if enough people do that, then maybe it would become unpopular and the practice will eventually stop. That's the power you have as a consumer.

A lot of the complaints here are from people bothered by these exclusive deals that channel them into buying more and more copies and items that are bundled with DLC and if they miss these sales, the content may never be sold any other way.

Many of us here have very clearly stated as well, that we would gladly pay for all these DLCs down the line, but at the time being they are exclusives and cannot be obtained through a standard DLC purchase.


Leaving us with, buy the figures and multiple game copies, or go on knowing that your beloved game could have given more content if you spent or could afford to.

Modifié par CannonLars, 24 janvier 2012 - 01:00 .

[Brownfinger]

Wait. People actually think that they would get to play as Garrus or Miranda in multiplayer?

I very strongly doubt that, because the multiplayer component exists within the context of the single player story. That's why they gave us customizable characters to use. Blank slates, essentially. Because the stars of the Mass Effect universe have bigger fish to fry.

So, for those obsessing over being able to play as Garrus in multiplayer, you can probably rest easy. It's well-documented that multiplayer has to fit within the overall scheme and make sense. Otherwise, they'd let us run around multiplayer matches with four Shepards. That would be dumb.

Edit: A lot of these *many* misconceptions that people are taking and running wild with would really be quelled and knee-jerk reactionists pacified if we were to be given by anyone some concrete specifics on what in-game content is bundled with the toys.

Modifié par Brownfinger, 24 janvier 2012 - 01:06 .

[BluSoldier]

Brownfinger wrote...

Wait. People actually think that they would get to play as Garrus or Miranda in multiplayer?

I very strongly doubt that, because the multiplayer component exists within the context of the single player story. That's why they gave us customizable characters to use. Blank slates, essentially. Because the stars of the Mass Effect universe have bigger fish to fry.

So, for those obsessing over being able to play as Garrus in multiplayer, you can probably rest easy. It's well-documented that multiplayer has to fit within the overall scheme and make sense. Otherwise, they'd let us run around multiplayer matches with four Shepards. That would be dumb.

Looks like no one saw my post:
Hey guys, I think I know what some of the DLC might be. You know how we were all complaining about Turian Infiltrators, or other class/race combos not appearing in the game? Maybe some of these figures unlock them.
IE: Garrus figure unlocks Turian infiltrator.
Just a thought. In that case, I might by the Garrus fig. 

[Brownfinger]

I read it. You must have missed my post where I suggested the exact same thing.

Modifié par Brownfinger, 24 janvier 2012 - 01:05 .

[Brownfinger]

It seems more likely to me that additional class/races are unlocked through the multiplayer component's accrued currency, though. Or by progress in the single player game, though the currency option seems more likely.

Modifié par Brownfinger, 24 janvier 2012 - 01:08 .

[Wulfram]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Generally, it's because people want everything, but don't want to have to work at it or pay for it. I get it, sure, but everyone has to make their own decision to buy or not buy any product, no matter what it is. The fact that DLC, microtransactions, and subscription based content is now forcing people to either make more of those decisions or make them more often.

Trust me. If consumers didn't demonstrate a general enthusiasm for buying content in this fashion, it wouldn't be used so often. But companies do it because it works. And it works because companies offer it. You can feel free to object to the practice by simply choosing not to buy in that way, and if enough people do that, then maybe it would become unpopular and the practice will eventually stop. That's the power you have as a consumer.

Well, companies should also be aware that this sort of stuff can erode your fan's loyalty and thus your chances of getting the bigger sales too.

Day 1 DLC is why I won't be buying the game on release.

Modifié par Wulfram, 24 janvier 2012 - 01:09 .

[WolfForce99]

I just order the Tali figure on amazon.com.

[RR1107]

If Chris/Stanley could find out, are the re-issues of the Series 1 going to be identical to the original DC Direct figures, or will there be improvements/changes to them? BigFish, who is making the re-issue as well as Series 2 advertises that the figures "will be intricately sculpted with collector-level paint decoration," and as I wasn't happy with the paint on 2 of my Series 1 figures, I would consider buying replacements if the quality was improved.

[RR1107]

WolfForce, you will receive the ORIGINAL Series 1 Figure which will NOT contain the DLC if you are ordering now from Amazon.com and the item is being shipped from exsiting inventory.  The original Series 1 figures were made by DC Direct.  BigFish is RE-ISSUING Series 1 and will release them along with the new Series 2 Figures in APRIL.  So if you ordered from Amazon and are going to be receiving one of the orignal (DC Direct) Series 1 figures, it will not contain DLC for ME3.

Modifié par RR1107, 24 janvier 2012 - 01:22 .

[Kandid001]

Honestly I find this discussion quite amusing because I haven't bought any DLC so far. If you want to buy everything ME3 related, but are short on cash, tough luck, but as long as there are people willing to buy these, they will be there. I guess your safest bet to have access to everything without a crater in your wallet is to wait for a "complete edition" with everyhing, but then again, they never released one for ME2.

Kasai666 wrote...

Ghost Lightning wrote...

Is there anything EA won't do for money?

Mass murder babies?

Don't give them ideas.

[JG The Gamer]

Kandid001 wrote...

Honestly I find this discussion quite amusing because I haven't bought any DLC so far. If you want to buy everything ME3 related, but are short on cash, tough luck, but as long as there are people willing to buy these, they will be there. I guess your safest bet to have access to everything without a crater in your wallet is to wait for a "complete edition" with everyhing, but then again, they never released one for ME2.

Kasai666 wrote...

Ghost Lightning wrote...

Is there anything EA won't do for money?

Mass murder babies?

Don't give them ideas.

They could get into selling cars and trucks with a Reaper-style painting design.

[WolfForce99]

RR1107 wrote...

WolfForce, you will receive the ORIGINAL Series 1 Figure which will NOT contain the DLC if you are ordering now from Amazon.com and the item is being shipped from exsiting inventory.  The original Series 1 figures were made by DC Direct.  BigFish is RE-ISSUING Series 1 and will release them along with the new Series 2 Figures in APRIL.  So if you ordered from Amazon and are going to be receiving one of the orignal (DC Direct) Series 1 figures, it will not contain DLC for ME3.

Thanks, just pre-order on amazon.com for one of the ones that come out in April.

[RR1107]

WolfForce99 wrote...

RR1107 wrote...

WolfForce, you will receive the ORIGINAL Series 1 Figure which will NOT contain the DLC if you are ordering now from Amazon.com and the item is being shipped from exsiting inventory.  The original Series 1 figures were made by DC Direct.  BigFish is RE-ISSUING Series 1 and will release them along with the new Series 2 Figures in APRIL.  So if you ordered from Amazon and are going to be receiving one of the orignal (DC Direct) Series 1 figures, it will not contain DLC for ME3.

Thanks, just pre-order on amazon.com for one of the ones that come out in April.

Awesome, I didn't know the new ones were on Amazon yet.

[WolfForce99]

RR1107 wrote...

WolfForce99 wrote...

RR1107 wrote...

WolfForce, you will receive the ORIGINAL Series 1 Figure which will NOT contain the DLC if you are ordering now from Amazon.com and the item is being shipped from exsiting inventory.  The original Series 1 figures were made by DC Direct.  BigFish is RE-ISSUING Series 1 and will release them along with the new Series 2 Figures in APRIL.  So if you ordered from Amazon and are going to be receiving one of the orignal (DC Direct) Series 1 figures, it will not contain DLC for ME3.

Thanks, just pre-order on amazon.com for one of the ones that come out in April.

Awesome, I didn't know the new ones were on Amazon yet.

I figure that the one I ordered, that was made by DC Direct will be worth more then the one I pre-order, that is being made by BigFish. So I'm going to keep the DC Direct one in packaging and open the one from BigFish.

[AlanC9]

implodinggoat wrote...
When I first got on the Bioware forums before the launch of ME1,  Bioware's reputation was flawless.  Bioware had a reputation for quality and loyalty to their fans that money simply couldn't buy and I never saw posts anywhere on the net complaining about any action the company took.

You should have been here when NWN1 shipped. Or KotOR.

[dcal31]

felipejiraya wrote...

CannonLars wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

felipejiraya wrote...

They'll release it for download to everyone in the near future, chill out.

That's all I want and I don't expect them to release it for free.   Just put a reasonable price tag on these items and sell them seperately and I'll be satisfied, same goes for all the pre-order incentives and other such cross promotional stuff.

We can't rely on that because they won't say it. They care more now about twisting ways for people to buy more Mass Effect merchandise instead of providing an even playing field for fans of the core of the franchise, the game and experience of Shepard.

This DLCs on the action figures is the same strategy they've done with the Dr. Pepper promotional content on ME2.

First it will be exclusive and weeks after the release they made it available to everyone in a $2 pack.

I think you just made the arguement agaist yourself, since the Dr. Pepper promotional content was never released to a majority of game owners, only the PS3 version. Anyone with the Xbox or PC version that missed it is still waiting, more than 2 years later.

[Darth_Trethon]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...
I'm sorry but the argument that all DLC is stuff ripped from the base game is a bit dated.  These items were never in the game, they were concieved of for promotional purposes.  Why would you worry yourself for a few extra guns anyway?

Generally, it's because people want everything, but don't want to have to work at it or pay for it. I get it, sure, but everyone has to make their own decision to buy or not buy any product, no matter what it is. The fact that DLC, microtransactions, and subscription based content is now forcing people to either make more of those decisions or make them more often.

Trust me. If consumers didn't demonstrate a general enthusiasm for buying content in this fashion, it wouldn't be used so often. But companies do it because it works. And it works because companies offer it. You can feel free to object to the practice by simply choosing not to buy in that way, and if enough people do that, then maybe it would become unpopular and the practice will eventually stop. That's the power you have as a consumer.

To be honest I doubt it will work for toys.....paid DLC available to everyone where I pay for the DLC and nothing else, no problem....two preorder bonuses, no problem(it becomes one when there are too many) but when you start tagging DLC to things like toys and so on then I seriously doubt people will go for it because you are marketing to a mature audience and while a few will most won't and whether you realize it or not the better portion of your customers are hardcore fans whether shooter players or RPG players or what have you and I just don't see them going for hundreds of dollars of toys. Even making toys tied to an M rated game seems questionable to me because generally toys are for kids and collectors but there are very few of the second kind and mostly adults just don't play with toys unless with a child so why try to market something that would peak the interest of children in something they cannot touch for another decade to decade and a half?

Ultimately if EA/BioWare have enough sense to sell these DLC item separately for everyone then sure but otherwise no.....but since the DLC is only available for North America and since it's not marked as exclussive to the toys and since there's so much of it....16 in total from four sets of toys....that does appear to be the plan.