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[Shepard's_Fist]

Have we gotten confirmation that this is soley Multiplayer DLC? That would make me feel better but nevertheless I am very disappointed that Bioware took this route. I hope they're content with being known as the producers of the most expensive DLC ever compiled.

[izmirtheastarach]

ShepherdsFist_1025 wrote...

Have we gotten confirmation
that this is soley Multiplayer DLC? That would make me feel better but
nevertheless I am very disappointed that Bioware took this route. I hope
they're content with being known as the producers of the most expensive
DLC ever compiled.

From the actual product: "These products contain codes that can be redeemed for a downloadable content
pack for Mass Effect 3 multi-player."

Pretty clear.

TheJiveDJ wrote...

I think most of us get the fact that we don't have to buy the trophies for a complete and fulfilling ME3 experience. We get that. I get that. I just hope that one day these DLC get put up on Xbox Live or something so I can find another excuse to give you my money. TAKE MY MONEY!! Wadda u think Chris/Stanley? Is this a possibility in the future?

You know, it probably is. Or we are going to find up that all the bonuses are are just MP level unlocks or other stuff you can also get just by playing the game.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 24 janvier 2012 - 04:35 .

[MadLaughter]

The 'you can complete the whole game without it if you choose' argument doesn't work either. We could complete ME3 if you only gave us 3 characters with one gun each and no powers, in theory. Someone could complete a fighting game even if it only shipped with one character. You can complete Resident Evil games with pretty much just the knife. That doesn't mean people should just suck it up, Stanley.'

You can call ANYTHING 'Extra'. You could take thane, grunt, jack, samara and tali out of ME2 and call them extra. You could take all of the good endings out of the game and call them extra. You could take character customization out and call it extra.

And people DO have issues with DLC and Expansions. Has a game ever sold an equal number of expansions as it's base game? Never. "We sold 5 million copies of our game, and five million copies of Expansion pack A." Never has happened.

[RR1107]

Brownfinger wrote...

RR1107 wrote...


3.  There are people who collect things like these figures (or the Mass Effect comics, playing cards and statues), and will enjoy them.  Just because you aren't clamouring for Mass Effect figures is not a reflection on the demand for the figures in general.  The fact that Series 1 is being re-issued and that Series 2 will finally see product shows that there is infact demand for these toys.  Providing DLC as a promotional item may sway people towards buying them.  Cross-product promotions such as these are a strong ways of showing consumers all of the products available which relate to the main product, Mass Effect video games.  It's no different than buying a package of hot dogs and receiving an insert in the packaging promoting the buns.

Eloquently stated, logically air tight, sans all of the indignation that these people deserve. Thank you.
It'll sail right over their heads, but the point is perfectly crafted.

Ultimately, we're all Mass Effect junkies in need of some fix. Except the dude who said he wouldn't buy any more Bioware products in the same paragraph that he stated his full intent to buy Mass Effect 3, all because someone was mean to him on a message board. That guy is clearly on his way out the door. Whether we get that fix through fiction, merchandise, or a completionist's drive to own every piece of Mass Effect DLC, I find all to be equally valid.
I just dunno why anyone would ever complain about "needing" to get any luxury item, that seems to defy all reason and logic behind having a hobby or interest to start with.

Thank you

People get their Mass Effect "fix" in all kinds of ways.  Some people create or read fan-fiction.  Some people create or look at artwork.  Some people cos-play.  Some people improve the Mass Effect games with texture mods.  Some collect the toys and read the books and comics.  Some people participate in discussions on forums like these.  I engage in a lot of these interactions myself.  I'm sure there are millions of ways we as fans can entertain ourselves through interaction with the Mass Effect Universe.

But everyone should remember that it is all about entertainment.  None of us need to participate in the Mass Effect universe.  People need to eat and drink.  People need to use the bathroom.  People need to sleep.  I choose to enjoy the Mass Effect universe because I want to.  I spend my dollars in the Mass Effect Universe and not in other places because I enjoy Mass Effect and find that the entertainment value I get from the ME Universe is signifigant.  

[Brownfinger]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

You know, it probably is. Or we are going to find up that all the bonuses are are just MP level unlocks or other stuff you can also get just by playing the game.

This seems like the most likely scenario, to me. From the beta vids, you could buy upgrade packs through the currency you earned by playing in multiplayer.
I'd be very surprised if at least some of the DLC codes didn't simply contain those upgrades to make your progression just a little bit easier. And, all the fuss is over something completely unnecessary.

Although, that was pretty much the case, to start with.

Modifié par Brownfinger, 24 janvier 2012 - 04:49 .

[izmirtheastarach]

Brownfinger wrote...

This seems like the most likely scenario, to me. From the beta vids, you could buy upgrade packs through the currency you earned by playing in multiplayer.
I'd be very surprised if at least some of the DLC codes didn't simply contain those upgrades to make your progression just a little bit easier. And, all the fuss is over something completely unnecessary.

Although, that was pretty much the case, to start with.

I think the reason we don't know what the DLC consists of is because the people being asked don't know. It seems like a decision made by marketing and then handed of to whoever has to actually implement it. It will probably have as little value as possible. They would probably want to hold back any real DLC so they can actually sell it for cash monies which they will keep 100% of.
 

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 24 janvier 2012 - 07:56 .

[Brownfinger]

There's a very strong probability that you're right, and that people are flying off the handle over something that they can earn through 5 or so hours within the game's multiplayer component. I'd be shocked if it turned out to be anything but.

That's why any scientifically-minded person gathers all the data before they react. Oh, or any mature, intelligent grown-up. Or anyone with an IQ slightly higher than a Volus that huffed their body weight in red sand.

RR1107 wrote...
But everyone should remember that it is all about entertainment.  None of us need to participate in the Mass Effect universe. 

This is so refreshing. It's a fantastic place to visit, isn't it? Anyone letting it consume them to a point of anger would do well to reassess their priorities.

Modifié par Brownfinger, 24 janvier 2012 - 05:09 .

[ForteSJGR]

I'm getting it. Not day one...but still I'll get it.

[Gibb_Shepard]

It doesn't even seem like BW can convince themselves that this is a legit practice. The "complete" game is released, along with 5 additional DLCs that are not necessary to complete the game. You know what else wasn't necessary to complete the MEs? Conrad Verner. The Luna "planet". Wrex's side quest. Wrex himself.

All "unnecessary" content that just added to the game. Who decides what is necessary and unnecessary? Half of the ME game's content is "unnecessary" going by the definition given by Woo and Priest.

I can't wait for the day that we have to have to start actually buying full-fledged companions on Day 1. Oh, wait....

Well at least they don't sell whole quests separate from the main game on Day 1 right? Wait....

Whoever has deluded themselves into thinking this business practice is not sly and money hungry are, well......deluded.

CDPR are the only company around now with any integrity. EVERYTHNIG they created, went into the game. Everything that they created thereafter, was FREE. Now they are creating an expansion pack, something that is being created after the damn game has been released, not created in tandem with the game's development and locking it up in a safe for 6 months claiming otherwise.

[izmirtheastarach]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Who decides what is necessary and unnecessary?

Probably the developer. Just like any manufacturer of any product decides what goes into their product. And then they put it in a box, and you decide if you want to buy it or not. I'm not really sure, but I think businesses have been doing it for hundreds of years. Seems to be working pretty well.

[Sir Caradoc]

Action figures? Seriously?

I mean these games are M rated and you guys wish us to purchase action figures? I could understand this if your audience were preteens.

Just to clarify I don't look down those who collect this kind of fan-stuff (I do have bunch of lotr figures on my shelf). but I don't like where this industry is going. I miss the good old days

Modifié par Sir Caradoc, 24 janvier 2012 - 05:25 .

[Brownfinger]

Sir Caradoc wrote...
I could understand this if your audience were preteens.
[snip]
(I do have bunch of lotr figures on my shelf)

Well, then. So that's kinda.... yeah.

[izmirtheastarach]

Also, by this industry, do you mean the action figure industry? Because I'm not sure the action figures have an impact on the game. I mean, they can watch you play the game or something, I guess.

[matt-bassist]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...
I'm sorry but the argument that all DLC is stuff ripped from the base game is a bit dated.  These items were never in the game, they were concieved of for promotional purposes.  Why would you worry yourself for a few extra guns anyway?

Generally, it's because people want everything, but don't want to have to work at it or pay for it. I get it, sure, but everyone has to make their own decision to buy or not buy any product, no matter what it is. The fact that DLC, microtransactions, and subscription based content is now forcing people to either make more of those decisions or make them more often.

Trust me. If consumers didn't demonstrate a general enthusiasm for buying content in this fashion, it wouldn't be used so often. But companies do it because it works. And it works because companies offer it. You can feel free to object to the practice by simply choosing not to buy in that way, and if enough people do that, then maybe it would become unpopular and the practice will eventually stop. That's the power you have as a consumer.

Stan the man! *High 5* I studied advertising and marketing. I don't really agree with it, but you're so right man.

[AlanC9]

MadLaughter wrote...

The 'you can complete the whole game without it if you choose' argument doesn't work either. We could complete ME3 if you only gave us 3 characters with one gun each and no powers, in theory. Someone could complete a fighting game even if it only shipped with one character. You can complete Resident Evil games with pretty much just the knife. That doesn't mean people should just suck it up, Stanley.'

You can call ANYTHING 'Extra'. You could take thane, grunt, jack, samara and tali out of ME2 and call them extra. You could take all of the good endings out of the game and call them extra. You could take character customization out and call it extra.

So.... what's your definition of "extra," then?

[AlanC9]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Who decides what is necessary and unnecessary?

Probably the developer. Just like any manufacturer of any product decides what goes into their product. And then they put it in a box, and you decide if you want to buy it or not. I'm not really sure, but I think businesses have been doing it for hundreds of years. Seems to be working pretty well.

I believe the figure you're looking for there is "thousands of years."

[Sir Caradoc]

Brownfinger wrote...

Sir Caradoc wrote...
I could understand this if your audience were preteens.
[snip]
(I do have bunch of lotr figures on my shelf)

Well, then. So that's kinda.... yeah.

Well I got them with the collecter edition dvd set and yes i'm an old p&r roleplaying fart so thats my excuse And didn't I say that I clearly understand why fans love this kind of stuff. As for myself Lotr means quite a lot to me..not just the films but the actual book. I basicly grew up in middle-earth so I have a soft spot for all the silly fan stuff

I quess my point is that i don't like how they're forcing us to buy bunch of toys to gain access to exclusive in-game content. Before action figures etc were just fun/harmless collector stuff for the most passionate fans now these action figures are becoming more "important" All in the name of profit.

Modifié par Sir Caradoc, 24 janvier 2012 - 05:59 .

[AlanC9]

So the figures are bad because they're now important?

[XDMMX]

My only problem with DLC is that I cant access it because of the worthless dailup out here.

[BounceDK]

I love to pay 50 euros (or 70 bucks) for half a game.

[Brownfinger]

Sir Caradoc wrote...

Brownfinger wrote...

Sir Caradoc wrote...

I could understand this if your audience were preteens.

[snip]

(I do have bunch of lotr figures on my shelf)

Well, then. So that's kinda.... yeah.

Well I got them with the collecter edition dvd set and yes i'm an old p&r roleplaying fart so thats my excuse And didn't I say that I clearly understand why fans love this kind of stuff. As for myself Lotr means quite a lot to me..not just the films but the actual book. I basicly grew up in middle-earth so I have a soft spot for all the silly fan stuff

Sounds like you're passionate. That's cool. I like Lord of the Rings, too.

I dunno why my love for Mass Effect fringe stuff is belittled and diminished, simply because I also enjoy icing on my cake. I guarantee that the figures you bought with the Collector's Edition sets drove up the cost of it. Did you complain about it?

We've all gotta get our jollies, somehow. If it's something I want, I'll buy it. If not, who am I to dictate to a person what they ought to partake in? I want the best in most aspects of life, so I'll pay extra. And if I do, I forfeit the right to grumble about it. When I take my gorgeous girlfriend out to a nice restaurant, do I **** at her about how expensive the food is? No, that's bush league. The system has been in place for a long time. Play your part in it, and then enjoy your reward.

I got lost in my own weird rant. I guess the point is, Mass Effect is pretty damn swell.

Modifié par Brownfinger, 24 janvier 2012 - 06:27 .

[Fidget6]

How is this any different than the Dr. Pepper DLC in ME2?

[habitat 67]

My Barbies are more special than your Barbies. Yeah.

[XDMMX]

nuh uh

[Stanley Woo]

CannonLars wrote...

 Mr. Woo.
Does this mean you are taking some of the legitimate concerns into account and passing them on to others who might improve the situation, or will they remain here on the boards and statistics, without consideration of customer's expressions, will be the factor used to decide that the business model is good? 

As much as we listen to our fans' concerns, questions, and suggestions, we will not necessarily agree with all of them all the time. We have so many fans, each with different likes and dislikes, tolerances, preferences, biases and experiences, it would be impossible to cater to even a small percentage of them without running into contradictory desires and suggestions.

Remember, if you are making a suggestion, you are accepting that our response could be "no." If you are unwilling or unable to accept a "no" answer, or accept that we may disagree with you, then you are no longer making a suggestion; you are making a demand. And we deal with community "demands" differently than we deal with concerns, suggestions, and constructive criticisms.

I think it is clear that in general, we like DLC. It has also been expressed that the biggest concern is that many of us will never get access to this content or even an option to. The exclusive deals with no information as to whether we will ever have access to other exclusive content is what is bugging many of us.

I see nothing at all wrong with consumers exercising their right to choose and risking disappointment. People have every right to state a preference and ask for consideration, but they do not have the right to never be disappointed.

As someone who loves Mass Effect and has since long before the first game even released, I am not happy with the system of DLC releases, despite appreciating the content itself. I want content, but I don't appreciate being shown lots of exclusives that many of us can not reasonably obtain (like hoping to get all the DLC from the figures). You don't sound like you are considering the fact that we, as fans who do want content, do not have any options of getting the content besides these many exclusive routes. It would be no problem if we knew that in the coming months it would be made available for purchase (as Rockstar Games does, who, frankly gets way less complaints from what I have seen).

It always comes down to the value you place on the DLC content. How much is it worth to you, and are you willing to purchase what is being offered? If you feel the DLC is so important that you must have it, then you may choose to buy the figure you may not necessarily want in order to get that DLC. On the other hand, if you don't feel that DLC is worth the price of the figures and all the trouble you go through to get them, then you may choose to not buy the figures. At this point, such DLC is, as far as I know, exclusive to the figures. Whether the DLC will be made available for sale after the fact, I can not say. But that is the choice before you at this time.

Trying to persuade us with "But I really waaaaaaaant it!" type arguments is not very productive, since the steps to get the DLC have been clearly laid out and the offer is on the table. Your choice is, as always, perfectly clear and entirely up to the individual and the value they place on the DLC.

Thank you for the message, though, and I am glad that you love the Mass Effect franchise that much! I hope you will love Mass Effect 3 as much or even more than our previous games. It's looking incredible!