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[DayusMakhina]

HallowedWarden wrote...

I was about to post that same request, Whiteshiro!

What does a "season pass" type of offer typically entail?

A season pass is basically a bundle of all DLC that you essentially pre-pay for before release, then once it comes out you download it through the season pass. It's really very, very good business practice as generally a season pass is made attractive to consumers by the fact it offers you a saving (so to buy all the DLC seperately would cost you more), which in turn attracts more people to purchase it.

Yet often enough those people will purchase the season pass, download and play the first few DLC's and then leave it on the shelf, so even though technically it's offering a good deal to the consumer it's also a good deal for the companies that put out the DLC, considering after a while people do have a tendency not to purchase or play DLC, yet with the season pass they have already paid for it (im yet to touch the latest Gears 3 DLC).

[Spanky Magoo]

A season pass would have ben cool in a CE it would make the extra money worth it.Gaming is becoming an expensive distraction, 60$ dollars for a game then day 1 dlc and little extras and stuff adds up quick especially in a down economy. It takes me alot longer to get a complete game than it used to. I know I can complete a game without it but something tells me the "Exclusive Character" that the CE gets included in its bundle would have been included a few years ago. But alas if consumers are willing to be nickle and dimed, then corporations are all to happy to nickle and dime them.

[Klimy]

I personally dint like how companies handle their games with DLC here and there (Bioware are kings of it). Bought ME comics and got no DLC, bought ME novels and got no DLC, bought Normandy replica (made in China, very small and poorly coloured as if person who did it was drunk) and still no DLC, but then some ugly looking figured from who knows what company get promotional DLC.

So when Chris say DLC is just to support people who are not completionists and buy other ME related products it's just pile of BS. Because in reality DLC is for the products that suck and BW have to come up with a way to sell their crap in which they invested money, because so far no quality products had DLC with them.

Dont think that I complain about that figures have DLC, I could care less, because so far promotional DLC suck equally as much as the products they were promoting. Just couldn't stand when Chriss was delivering his monthly load of BS to the forums.

[G3rman]

Well..if there was no mentioning of DLC with those models then you should have not expected to receive any. I don't think its proper to bring up past experiences in comparison to this when in fact they are saying DLC will be available with these particular products.

[Klimy]

G3rman wrote...

Well..if there was no mentioning of DLC with those models then you should have not expected to receive any. I don't think its proper to bring up past experiences in comparison to this when in fact they are saying DLC will be available with these particular products.

Sorry if I was not clear enough, I didnt refere to the particular these products, but instead to what Chris wrote in general:
"... free DLC items to those people who aren't completionists, but do support our products by buying toys, art, comics, etc"

Because its not about "people supporting their products by buying other stuff" but rather "provide additional reason to buy some specific product".

Things I bought before that had no DLC (and I never expected it) was just example to show that only very specific few items have DLC linked with them.

[Valcutio]

Stanley Woo wrote...

JG The Gamer wrote...

The power simply comes from consumer choice above all else. At my store, I see the power of choice everyday. Do not like? Do not buy. Do like? Do buy. Simple as that.

If you feel so strongly about DLC attached to toys and that it's a good/bad thing, the best thing you can do as your right as a consumer is to choose whether or not you wish to buy the toy and DLC. If you do, it sends a message to the company that it's a good idea. Otherwise, the company gets the message that it's not a good idea. Whining about it gets you nowhere and makes everyone miserable.

To paraphrase a quote: "I like this Gamer. He understands." It really is that simple, and I wish people would stop trying to complicate the issue with extreme hypothetical cases and what-ifs.

I laughed after reading every Woo response. Each one boils down to, "You don't have to buy the game or the dlc if you don't want to." Thanks for that great insight, Stanley.

Gamers want a full gaming experience. Period. Nobody purchases a game and thinks, "Naw, I don't want the option of more than one type of rifle." So when a person says that they think it's shady to not include pieces of the game which are attached to toys or shoes or hoola hoops - they have every right to be annoyed.

When a person buys a game, they shouldn't have to purchase a toy to go with it for the full experience. Maybe if you advertised right on the box that you're selling an incomplete gaming experience I would feel differently. Maybe if you didn't price the game at a full 60 dollars, which gives the impression that it's the full game, I would feel differently.

Even tiny pieces of content missing from a video game gives the impression, however minor, that on some level your game isn't what it should be. It isn't what it was meant to be. True or not.

Oh, and for the record, I bought a Tali action figure when it first came out. I bought it because I'm a fan of the series, not because I wanted a more complete gaming experience.

Modifié par Valcutio, 24 janvier 2012 - 09:53 .

[Dewart]

Spanky Magoo wrote...

A season pass would have ben cool in a CE it would make the extra money worth it.Gaming is becoming an expensive distraction, 60$ dollars for a game then day 1 dlc and little extras and stuff adds up quick especially in a down economy. It takes me alot longer to get a complete game than it used to. I know I can complete a game without it but something tells me the "Exclusive Character" that the CE gets included in its bundle would have been included a few years ago. But alas if consumers are willing to be nickle and dimed, then corporations are all to happy to nickle and dime them.

Season pass in the CE would have been great.
I've been gaming for a long time (since good old FF1 on the NES) and I agree it was easier to have a complete RPG with tons of items from first purchace. The first time I Saw an expansion pack for a game (eg Tales of the sword coast) I thought awsome I get to extend my adventure. After that DLC began to pop up and I thought to myself cool expansions that are easier to get and are cheaper. Then came the day of release DLC and thats when I started sweating. Thats when I started thinking oh no they've got me now. Now it's exclusive dlc on toys that I definatly won't buy. I mean I have my video game hobby/habit in check and I'm not going to go hungry so I can afford 8 pieces of DLC on some action figures. We all know there are people that will do that though and that is the sad thing. Video games can become an addiction and the big game companies know that and they exploit it. It's just sad that things are going that way and equally sad that people go along with it.
heck partly my fault I guess for buying into the game expansion thing way back in the 90's

[CannonO]

I think a season pass in the CE would make the CE need to be a little pricier. Season passes usually bring in $30 and aren't included in the CE's.

[Dewart]

Valcutio wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

JG The Gamer wrote...

The power simply comes from consumer choice above all else. At my store, I see the power of choice everyday. Do not like? Do not buy. Do like? Do buy. Simple as that.

If you feel so strongly about DLC attached to toys and that it's a good/bad thing, the best thing you can do as your right as a consumer is to choose whether or not you wish to buy the toy and DLC. If you do, it sends a message to the company that it's a good idea. Otherwise, the company gets the message that it's not a good idea. Whining about it gets you nowhere and makes everyone miserable.

To paraphrase a quote: "I like this Gamer. He understands." It really is that simple, and I wish people would stop trying to complicate the issue with extreme hypothetical cases and what-ifs.

I laughed after reading every Woo response. Each one boils down to, "You don't have to buy the game or the dlc if you don't want to." Thanks for that great insight, Stanley.

Gamers want a full gaming experience. Period. Nobody purchases a game and thinks, "Naw, I don't want the option of more than one type of rifle." So when a person says that they think it's shady to not include pieces of the game which are attached to toys or shoes or hoola hoops - they have every right to be annoyed.

When a person buys a game, they shouldn't have to purchase a toy to go with it for the full experience. Maybe if you advertised right on the box that you're selling an incomplete gaming experience I would feel differently. Maybe if you didn't price the game at a full 60 dollars, which gives the impression that it's the full game, I would feel differently.

Even tiny pieces of content missing from a video game gives the impression, however minor, that on some level your game isn't what it should be. It isn't what it was meant to be. True or not.

Oh, and for the record, I bought a Tali action figure when it first came out. I bought it because I'm a fan of the series, not because I wanted a more complete gaming experience.

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[Phuz]

I don't mind as long as it isn't anything really special like Grunt in multiplayer. If you don't like it, don't get it.

[Dewart]

CannonLars wrote...

I think a season pass in the CE would make the CE need to be a little pricier. Season passes usually bring in $30 and aren't included in the CE's.

I would give up the art book, the patch, maybe even the tin and pay an extra $10 for a season pass included instead.

[rolson00]

Stanley Woo wrote...

JG The Gamer wrote...

The power simply comes from consumer choice above all else. At my store, I see the power of choice everyday. Do not like? Do not buy. Do like? Do buy. Simple as that.

If you feel so strongly about DLC attached to toys and that it's a good/bad thing, the best thing you can do as your right as a consumer is to choose whether or not you wish to buy the toy and DLC. If you do, it sends a message to the company that it's a good idea. Otherwise, the company gets the message that it's not a good idea. Whining about it gets you nowhere and makes everyone miserable.

To paraphrase a quote: "I like this Gamer. He understands." It really is that simple, and I wish people would stop trying to complicate the issue with extreme hypothetical cases and what-ifs.

sorry stanley but i disagree i feel that withholding missions and charectars is an outright mercenary tactic. i'm an adult and not in the habit of buying toys, with this happening i dont think im being treated as a person, more like a cow being pumped for my last but of milk .

Modifié par rolson00, 24 janvier 2012 - 10:27 .

[Dewart]

Phuz wrote...

I don't mind as long as it isn't anything really special like Grunt in multiplayer. If you don't like it, don't get it.

That's the idea if more people didn't buy into it then we wouldn't have this sort of thing happening. Also if enough people say they don't mind if it's nothing really special then eventually they'll be offering action figures with full exclusive missions.
I've never been the type of person to complain about a video game but this is where it's starting to go a little bit over the line. I've been cool with all the other gimicks up to this point I guess now I've finally been pushed to complain lol.

Modifié par Dewart, 24 janvier 2012 - 10:27 .

[Spanky Magoo]

Dewart wrote...

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Season pass in the CE would have been great.
I've been gaming for a long time (since good old FF1 on the NES) and I agree it was easier to have a complete RPG with tons of items from first purchace. The first time I Saw an expansion pack for a game (eg Tales of the sword coast) I thought awsome I get to extend my adventure. After that DLC began to pop up and I thought to myself cool expansions that are easier to get and are cheaper. Then came the day of release DLC and thats when I started sweating. Thats when I started thinking oh no they've got me now. Now it's exclusive dlc on toys that I definatly won't buy. I mean I have my video game hobby/habit in check and I'm not going to go hungry so I can afford 8 pieces of DLC on some action figures. We all know there are people that will do that though and that is the sad thing. Video games can become an addiction and the big game companies know that and they exploit it. It's just sad that things are going that way and equally sad that people go along with it.
heck partly my fault I guess for buying into the game expansion thing way back in the 90's

Yeah Ive been around a while gaming wise, and ive seen this coming down the pipes for a while now. Companies will sell the addicts just enough to get by for the price of a full game and then charge them more to get their fix. I said would walk away from games when it came to that, hell I already only buy maybe 1 or 2 games a year tops and me2 is the only game ive bought dlc for. If they want to go down this road of selling you less for more then the "Base" experience should be 30$ or 35$ bucks with a buy in program for those that opt for a dlc plan.

[Darth_Trethon]

Dewart wrote...

Phuz wrote...

I don't mind as long as it isn't anything really special like Grunt in multiplayer. If you don't like it, don't get it.

That's the idea if more people didn't buy into it then we wouldn't have this sort of thing happening. Also if enough people say they don't mind if it's nothing really special then eventually they'll be offering action figures with full exclusive missions.
I've never been the type of person to complain about a video game but this is where it's starting to go a little bit over the line. I've been cool with all the other gimicks up to this point I guess now I've finally been pushed to complain lol.

Who cares? There can be NOTHING special in multiplayer....at all, ever.....and the very least of all Grunt. If it gets released for everyone I'd buy it just for kicks but given the very nature of this DLC(multiplayer) it has already lost nearly all real worth in my eyes.

[Dewart]

Spanky Magoo wrote...

Yeah Ive been around a while gaming wise, and ive seen this coming down the pipes for a while now. Companies will sell the addicts just enough to get by for the price of a full game and then charge them more to get their fix. I said would walk away from games when it came to that, hell I already only buy maybe 1 or 2 games a year tops and me2 is the only game ive bought dlc for. If they want to go down this road of selling you less for more then the "Base" experience should be 30$ or 35$ bucks with a buy in program for those that opt for a dlc plan.

What better time to pull a stunt like this then at the end of a trilogy? This gimmick is what the long term fans get. I 'll go for all the other stuff but the action figures are a no go for me that is where I draw my line. I feel bad for anyone who feels "forced" to buy those for the DLC.

[Wulfram]

Stanley Woo wrote...

The game is whole upon release. DLC is "extra" content over and above the whole, complete game. Whether it's paid DLC or free DLC or day 1 DLC, it is content that you could complete the entire game without, if you chose to do so. DLC is always optional.

By that logic, Bethesda should have made 95% of Skyrim into DLC

[Dewart]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Dewart wrote...

Phuz wrote...

I don't mind as long as it isn't anything really special like Grunt in multiplayer. If you don't like it, don't get it.

That's the idea if more people didn't buy into it then we wouldn't have this sort of thing happening. Also if enough people say they don't mind if it's nothing really special then eventually they'll be offering action figures with full exclusive missions.
I've never been the type of person to complain about a video game but this is where it's starting to go a little bit over the line. I've been cool with all the other gimicks up to this point I guess now I've finally been pushed to complain lol.

Who cares? There can be NOTHING special in multiplayer....at all, ever.....and the very least of all Grunt. If it gets released for everyone I'd buy it just for kicks but given the very nature of this DLC(multiplayer) it has already lost nearly all real worth in my eyes.

oh you are right it likely won't be anything special for this game. I was more getting at the fact that they may start releasing really good stuff in this manner for future games.

[Dewart]

Wulfram wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

The game is whole upon release. DLC is "extra" content over and above the whole, complete game. Whether it's paid DLC or free DLC or day 1 DLC, it is content that you could complete the entire game without, if you chose to do so. DLC is always optional.

By that logic, Bethesda should have made 95% of Skyrim into DLC

LOL

edit: also if I remember correctly arrival is kind of vital to the plot of the games and leads in to mass effect 3. just saying

Modifié par Dewart, 24 janvier 2012 - 10:51 .

[Spanky Magoo]

Dewart wrote...



What better time to pull a stunt like this then at the end of a trilogy? This gimmick is what the long term fans get. I 'll go for all the other stuff but the action figures are a no go for me that is where I draw my line. I feel bad for anyone who feels "forced" to buy those for the DLC.

They have got some of their fans by the short hairs thats for sure lol. Hopefully they make all the worthwhile dlc avalible to everyone so cherry pickers like me can get the most for our buck.

[Darth_Trethon]

Dewart wrote...

oh you are right it likely won't be anything special for this game. I was more getting at the fact that they may start releasing really good stuff in this manner for future games.

They wouldn't for the simple fact that anything remotely good will make far more money as a stand alone DLC than it would packed with toys. They do want to sell toys but they aren't that stupid.....EA is far too greedy to make that kind of mistake. Ultimately DLC may sell as a tie in with another $60 game or preorder bonus or what not but I can just about guarantee it won't make much money in toys. A few posters here may get them but few are stupid enough to waste over $200 on it. Not to mention that making toys based on an M rated game is about the dumbest thing I've heard in a very long time.....and they probably know it which is why they throw DLC with it in the hopes of luring the actual players but over $200 in expenses is just not going to happen, especially not with the shrinking economy.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 24 janvier 2012 - 10:54 .

[Spanky Magoo]

jreezy wrote...

Spanky Magoo wrote...

A season pass would have ben cool in a CE it would make the extra money worth it.Gaming is becoming an expensive distraction, 60$ dollars for a game then day 1 dlc and little extras and stuff adds up quick especially in a down economy.

Back in my day games used to be $70 dollars.

lol, but there was no dlc back then (could you imagine luigi as dlc in mario bros.) But yes I see your point, and its mainly the dlc angle im getting at.

[Dewart]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

They wouldn't for the simple fact that anything remotely good will make far more money as a stand alone DLC than it would packed with toys. They do want to sell toys but they aren't that stupid.....EA is far too greedy to make that kind of mistake. Ultimately DLC may sell as a tie in with another $60 game or preorder bonus or what not but I can just about guarantee it won't make much money in toys. A few posters here may get them but few are stupid enough to waste over $200 on it. Not to mention that making toys based on an M rated game is about the dumbest thing I've heard in a very long time.....and they probably know it which is why they throw DLC with it in the hopes of luring the actual players but over $200 in expenses is just not going to happen, especially not with the shrinking economy.

A few years ago having exclusive retailer DLC and taking in game weapons and selling them in packs as DLC would have been a "stupid" idea. Maybe  that practice would have even been considered downright absurd yet look where we are right now. There have been pre order bonuses for a long time (few and far between) and they were in most cases released for free after a game's release anyway. Retailer exclusive DLC would have seemed like a crazy idea at that point, but now there are actually some people that will preorder two copies of a game just to get the dlc associated with each retailer. This industry is beginning to really exploit its customers.

edit: I know someone will say "don't like it? don't buy it." I totally get that and that's why I won't be buying the action figures or a second copy of the game. I'm just saying people should start standing up for what is happening now instead of parroting the "all dlc is optional" business.

Modifié par Dewart, 24 janvier 2012 - 11:23 .