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[Darth_Trethon]

Dewart wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

They wouldn't for the simple fact that anything remotely good will make far more money as a stand alone DLC than it would packed with toys. They do want to sell toys but they aren't that stupid.....EA is far too greedy to make that kind of mistake. Ultimately DLC may sell as a tie in with another $60 game or preorder bonus or what not but I can just about guarantee it won't make much money in toys. A few posters here may get them but few are stupid enough to waste over $200 on it. Not to mention that making toys based on an M rated game is about the dumbest thing I've heard in a very long time.....and they probably know it which is why they throw DLC with it in the hopes of luring the actual players but over $200 in expenses is just not going to happen, especially not with the shrinking economy.

A few years ago having exclusive retailer DLC and taking in game weapons and selling them in packs as DLC would have been a "stupid" idea. Maybe  that practice would have even been considered downright absurd yet look where we are right now. There have been pre order bonuses for a long time (few and far between) and they were in most cases released for free after a game's release anyway. Retailer exclusive DLC would have seemed like a crazy idea at that point, but now there are actually some people that will preorder two copies of a game just to get the dlc associated with each retailer. This industry is beginning to really exploit its customers.

Well yeah but you also have to considder what you're dealing with.....freaking toys. Adults will not buy into it for the most part....hell not even teens. Now sure many people who wouldn't have played game back then play now but the gaming industry has evolved....games in terms of looks and storytelling capability have surpassed movies, there is no such future for toys.....they will always remain dust collecting objects that don't do anything and can't be used for anythinng...why play with a toy when you can control a full motion character in an epic story in a game? There is none.

Retailer DLCs make sense because they simply seek to make you buy what you already fully inteded to buy just from a different place, toy DLCs seek to make you buy what you would never have intended to buy and most won't anyway.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 24 janvier 2012 - 11:26 .

[Spanky Magoo]

jreezy wrote...

Spanky Magoo wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Spanky Magoo wrote...

A season pass would have ben cool in a CE it would make the extra money worth it.Gaming is becoming an expensive distraction, 60$ dollars for a game then day 1 dlc and little extras and stuff adds up quick especially in a down economy.

Back in my day games used to be $70 dollars.

lol, but there was no dlc back then (could you imagine luigi as dlc in mario bros.) But yes I see your point, and its mainly the dlc angle im getting at.

Yeah I understand your concern. When the vanilla game feels incomplete something is wrong. Hopefully that's not the case with Mass Effect 3 and all this extra DLC really is just extra on top of a complete game.

Im generally ok with little extras post release ( Or legit expansions ) but day one characters and missions seem like a blatant insult to my intelligence. If its available to download out of the box it should be "IN" the box.Unless its a free with purchase deal the thats ok.

[laudable11]

I like DLC for the games I enjoy.

The problem with this is that it cost too much. Twenty dollars each or a four pack costing $75.


Point blank. It is not a fair value.
Some of you will say "you get a 7 inch toy with your purchase".

How about those of us who dont want the toys get a chance to buy the dlc at a fair price.

Modifié par laudable11, 24 janvier 2012 - 12:27 .

[Darth_Trethon]

laudable11 wrote...

I like DLC for the games I enjoy.

The problem with this is that it cost so much.

You may notice the mysterious absence of the word "esclussive" when this DLC is advertised for the toys.....then it's only available in North America....for way too much money....and the toys are for an M rated game.

So yeah I think you can safely expect these 16 pieces of DLC to appear for sale separately and available to everyone through XBL, PSN & BSN.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 24 janvier 2012 - 12:12 .

[Moondoggie]

Darth_Trethon wrote...


You may notice the mysterious absence of the word "esclussive" when this DLC is advertised for the toys.....then it's only available in North America....for way too much money....and the toys are for an M rated game.

Lol i guess you don't know much about figure collectors. They tend to be adults. They make figures for all kinds of games including M rated ones. Toys are not only for kids.

And honestly i don't see them offering the DLC as a stand alone just because a bunch of whiny people got upset that there is some DLC they can't have. Opening up the DLC to everyone after would be an insult to people who buy the figures and no "They would buy them anyway" is not a good argument to opening up the DLC to everyone. It's like if somebody collected tokens foir a resteraunt promotion and they got enough for a free meal. Just saying "The free meal should be open to all of us because we like the food this resteraunt makes" isn't a good argument why you should get the same as somebody who went out their way to invest in something they like and got a free extra for it.

[Pee Jae]

Eventually, it will probably all be made available to everyone. This may take some time (God of War pre-order outfits took about a year, pardon me while I extend a finger to Sony; it's not my thumb) but usually they are released.

[Ziggy]

bioware thinks they can make more money by making people who want the dlc buy the stupid toy as well.

sure they have a right to try and squeeze every extra dollar out of us they can, i nevertheless find this tactic a little low.

[Darth_Trethon]

Moondoggie wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...


You may notice the mysterious absence of the word "esclussive" when this DLC is advertised for the toys.....then it's only available in North America....for way too much money....and the toys are for an M rated game.

Lol i guess you don't know much about figure collectors. They tend to be adults. They make figures for all kinds of games including M rated ones. Toys are not only for kids.

And honestly i don't see them offering the DLC as a stand alone just because a bunch of whiny people got upset that there is some DLC they can't have. Opening up the DLC to everyone after would be an insult to people who buy the figures and no "They would buy them anyway" is not a good argument to opening up the DLC to everyone. It's like if somebody collected tokens foir a resteraunt promotion and they got enough for a free meal. Just saying "The free meal should be open to all of us because we like the food this resteraunt makes" isn't a good argument why you should get the same as somebody who went out their way to invest in something they like and got a free extra for it.

And if all EA rely on are collectors then they may as well never have bothered making the toys because they'll never turn a cent of profit. The toy collectors are too few to even matter for jack....these would have bought wiothout any DLC......the presence of the DLC is aimed to lure in the actual players that aren't collectors, which won't work.

As for toys being for kids.....YES they are, that's all they're for.....collectors do absolutely nothing with them except feed their poor ego, and they are too few to matter for jack.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 24 janvier 2012 - 12:29 .

[laudable11]

Klimy wrote...

I personally dint like how companies handle their games with DLC here and there (Bioware are kings of it). Bought ME comics and got no DLC, bought ME novels and got no DLC, bought Normandy replica (made in China, very small and poorly coloured as if person who did it was drunk) and still no DLC, but then some ugly looking figured from who knows what company get promotional DLC.

So when Chris say DLC is just to support people who are not completionists and buy other ME related products it's just pile of BS. Because in reality DLC is for the products that suck and BW have to come up with a way to sell their crap in which they invested money, because so far no quality products had DLC with them.

Dont think that I complain about that figures have DLC, I could care less, because so far promotional DLC suck equally as much as the products they were promoting. Just couldn't stand when Chriss was delivering his monthly load of BS to the forums.

Getting DLC for buying the books would have been awesome and alot more logical.

[Dewart]

Moondoggie wrote...

Lol i guess you don't know much about figure collectors. They tend to be adults. They make figures for all kinds of games including M rated ones. Toys are not only for kids.

And honestly i don't see them offering the DLC as a stand alone just because a bunch of whiny people got upset that there is some DLC they can't have. Opening up the DLC to everyone after would be an insult to people who buy the figures and no "They would buy them anyway" is not a good argument to opening up the DLC to everyone. It's like if somebody collected tokens foir a resteraunt promotion and they got enough for a free meal. Just saying "The free meal should be open to all of us because we like the food this resteraunt makes" isn't a good argument why you should get the same as somebody who went out their way to invest in something they like and got a free extra for it.

Some people like to collect video games

lets put it this way imagine a really cool action figure comes out that you really want but you find out the figure doesn't come with it's left arm and the only way to obtain it is to buy a video game you have no intrest in.

now you might buy that figure and decide not to pick up the game but every time you look at it you are going to be a bit disappointed and feel it is incomplete.

now I'm not saying this is actually going to happen I'm just saying this dlc with action figure bit is not for people who are into action figures. This marketing idea is to get the money from people who can't handle not having all the dlc. While I am kind of bothered by the fact that they are doing this I am not going to lose sleep over it. There are good number of people that will buy the action figures simply for the dlc and it is for that principle that I voice my opinion. Making gamers jump through hoops has to stop somewhere especially when it boils down to exploiting an addiction.

[Spanky Magoo]

Moondoggie wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...


You may notice the mysterious absence of the word "esclussive" when this DLC is advertised for the toys.....then it's only available in North America....for way too much money....and the toys are for an M rated game.

Lol i guess you don't know much about figure collectors. They tend to be adults. They make figures for all kinds of games including M rated ones. Toys are not only for kids.

And honestly i don't see them offering the DLC as a stand alone just because a bunch of whiny people got upset that there is some DLC they can't have. Opening up the DLC to everyone after would be an insult to people who buy the figures and no "They would buy them anyway" is not a good argument to opening up the DLC to everyone. It's like if somebody collected tokens foir a resteraunt promotion and they got enough for a free meal. Just saying "The free meal should be open to all of us because we like the food this resteraunt makes" isn't a good argument why you should get the same as somebody who went out their way to invest in something they like and got a free extra for it.

A more accurate comparison (sticking with the food analogy) would be if someone bought say 4 pizzas at 10$ each and recived a coupon for a free pizza and someone else bought a 5$ coupon book containing a coupon for a free pizza from the same resteraunt. Person One would have bought those 4 pizzas regardless of the deal or not the "coupon" is just extra while the person buying the book obviously was only  interested in said "coupon" which is fair.

Someone should not be required to buy 4 "pizzas" (1 toy) to get a free "pizza" (dlc) when they are willing to pay to skip A and go staight to B (buying the book containing the coupon) imo.

 

[Dewart]

Em23 wrote...

bioware thinks they can make more money by making people who want the dlc buy the stupid toy as well.

sure they have a right to try and squeeze every extra dollar out of us they can, i nevertheless find this tactic a little low.

I agree. Game companies have the right to do this. The question is should they do this?. All of us consumers encourage this by buying into this sort of thing or parroting what the company tells us. The only way things will change is if you boycott things like this and show them there is a consequence for their moral decisions.

[string3r]

Sickening isn't it?

[Dewart]

Spanky Magoo wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...


You may notice the mysterious absence of the word "esclussive" when this DLC is advertised for the toys.....then it's only available in North America....for way too much money....and the toys are for an M rated game.

Lol i guess you don't know much about figure collectors. They tend to be adults. They make figures for all kinds of games including M rated ones. Toys are not only for kids.

And honestly i don't see them offering the DLC as a stand alone just because a bunch of whiny people got upset that there is some DLC they can't have. Opening up the DLC to everyone after would be an insult to people who buy the figures and no "They would buy them anyway" is not a good argument to opening up the DLC to everyone. It's like if somebody collected tokens foir a resteraunt promotion and they got enough for a free meal. Just saying "The free meal should be open to all of us because we like the food this resteraunt makes" isn't a good argument why you should get the same as somebody who went out their way to invest in something they like and got a free extra for it.

A more accurate comparison (sticking with the food analogy) would be if someone bought say 4 pizzas at 10$ each and recived a coupon for a free pizza and someone else bought a 5$ coupon book containing a coupon for a free pizza from the same resteraunt. Person One would have bought those 4 pizzas regardless of the deal or not the "coupon" is just extra while the person buying the book obviously was only  interested in said "coupon" which is fair.

Someone should not be required to buy 4 "pizzas" (1 toy) to get a free "pizza" (dlc) when they are willing to pay to skip A and go staight to B (buying the book containing the coupon) imo.

 

Well said. I like that analogy

[laudable11]

string3r wrote...

Sickening isn't it?

yep


They crossed a line.

[Bann Duncan]

Why is there some strange belief that the game is being purposely cut down to make this stuff? I very much doubt that nearly as many people will by the toys as the games. As a tactic to boost sales of the toys without increasing production costs, they probably added some entirely inconsequential DLC.

I have yet to play any DLC for ME that feels like some section of the main game without which the game is incomplete. (I'm not counting LotSB/Arrival here because they are almost like mini-sequels- I refer to the DLC that takes place during the main story.)

[aries1001]

To look a bit positive:

Is there any reason why these figurines are sold in pacs of four? Why not sell them individually too? I'm asking because 80 US dollars might seem s big steep for people who don't have that much money. But maybe some people, could actually spare 20 US dollars each month, buying the figurines seperately over a period of months?

As for the DLC for Neverwinter Nights, they were fan made projects that Bioware turned into Premium Modules to sell as DLC. And they were of very high quality and offered at lest 5-10, or often 15 hours of gameplay. Also, the income from the DLC helped to pay for patches for the Neververwinter Nights game.
People felt that they got something back from buying these premium modules. People like this, I think, generally.

[didymos1120]

aries1001 wrote...

Why not sell them individually too?

They are:

http://biowarestore....ect-accessories

Modifié par didymos1120, 24 janvier 2012 - 02:00 .

[Darth_Trethon]

Hey everyone, more good news: the multiplayer DLC from the toys will only be supported on the 360 and PC as per: http://biowarestore....igure-four-pack

Oh and the codes are randomized indicating there are more DLCs than there are toys and which also happens to mean you may very well buy two toy packs for $150 and get duplicate items....isn't that great?

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 24 janvier 2012 - 02:18 .

[Dewart]

Bann Duncan wrote...

Why is there some strange belief that the game is being purposely cut down to make this stuff? I very much doubt that nearly as many people will by the toys as the games. As a tactic to boost sales of the toys without increasing production costs, they probably added some entirely inconsequential DLC.

I have yet to play any DLC for ME that feels like some section of the main game without which the game is incomplete. (I'm not counting LotSB/Arrival here because they are almost like mini-sequels- I refer to the DLC that takes place during the main story.)

In no way am I attempting to be rude here but I just want to point out that you personally feel this way. There are others who have a completionist mentality for RPGs and the collection of items, and ability to rolplay different characters with said items, is a large part of their overall enjoyment of that game. I am one of those gamers. Although I have the will to avoid buying action figures I don't need, for the sake of a few items, there are others out there who do not. My point is the principle that game companies know this mentality exists and are now trying to exploit is as much as possible.

[Dewart]

edit: double post

Modifié par Dewart, 24 janvier 2012 - 02:56 .

[Poison_Berrie]

Valcutio wrote...

When a person buys a game, they shouldn't have to purchase a toy to go with it for the full experience. Maybe if you advertised right on the box that you're selling an incomplete gaming experience I would feel differently. Maybe if you didn't price the game at a full 60 dollars, which gives the impression that it's the full game, I would feel differently.

Your idea of the full experience is BS.
You get the full game. All the other stuff is fluff, cheat items and materials intentionally developed to be buying incentives.
If you actually subscribe to this notion you are allowing yourself to be led on into buying everything. They made this stuff just for you to blow your money on, while the smart consumer get's to enjoy the game proper without jumping through silly hoops he wasn't going to in the first place.

rolson00 wrote...

sorry stanley but i disagree i feel that withholding missions and charectars is an outright mercenary tactic. i'm an adult and not in the habit of buying toys, with this happening i dont think im being treated as a person, more like a cow being pumped for my last but of milk .

If you buy it when you don't want to you are indeed that cow. Otherwise you are doing the only thing that would stop these practices in the future, not buying it.
Also you are mistaken in that these things are actual game characters and missions. The more I look at it, the more it seems like the starting advantage you'd need to pay money for in a F2P game.
Things like companion characters and missions (of proper size) are too big to not make available to all. The fact that this is added to a bunch of figurines which will likely be bought by only a small segment of those playing the game should spell it out that this stuff isn't going to be anything essential or even all that big and important.

Wulfram wrote...

By that logic, Bethesda should have made 95% of Skyrim into DLC

No. I don't see that as a logic next step at all.
That's just looks like a non sequitur. I'd be interested in seeing the reasoning that has gone into that.

Dewart wrote...

A few years ago having exclusive retailer DLC and taking in game weapons and selling them in packs as DLC would have been a "stupid" idea.

A yes the myth that all DLC is stuff that they just ripped out of the game. Seriously if you think that is the case you should just not buy the game and leave.
I have yet to play a game that actually properly handles these weapon DLC's (whether they are pre-order or bought later) as anything other than cheat items magickally granted to you.

Retailer exclusive DLC would have seemed like a crazy idea at that point, but now there are actually some people that will preorder two copies of a game just to get the dlc associated with each retailer. This industry is beginning to really exploit its customers.

No the customers are exploiting themselves with delusions that they need all that stuff.
They don't. I've barely used the pre-order content I got for ME2 and I certainly won't buy two editions of the game to get more of that stuff even if I did use it.

[Dewart]

Dewart wrote...

Bann Duncan wrote...

Why is there some strange belief that the game is being purposely cut down to make this stuff? I very much doubt that nearly as many people will by the toys as the games. As a tactic to boost sales of the toys without increasing production costs, they probably added some entirely inconsequential DLC.

I have yet to play any DLC for ME that feels like some section of the main game without which the game is incomplete. (I'm not counting LotSB/Arrival here because they are almost like mini-sequels- I refer to the DLC that takes place during the main story.)

In no way am I attempting to be rude here but I just want to point out that you personally feel this way. There are others who have a completionist mentality for RPGs and the collection of items, and ability to rolplay different characters with said items, is a large part of their overall enjoyment of that game. I am one of those gamers. Although I have the will to avoid buying action figures I don't need, for the sake of a few items, there are others out there who do not. My point is the principle that game companies know this mentality exists and are now trying to exploit is as much as possible.

edit: also the fact is the dlc is for multiplayer so part of my concern is it may unbalance that experience. lol I would also have to watch others that didn't boycott the action figures use their items in game causing a slight grrr lol

I would have no problem paying for a dlc with the items outside the toys and would have no problem if they kept the dlc on the toys while still offereing the dlc to others.

[Dewart]

oh no I believe I quoted myself two times. Very very sorry I was sure I clicked edit but then I refreshed and this mess showed up. how exactly can I fix that. I'm still very new to the forums.